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What Was Here Before the Beginning? [Big Bang, Cosmology]
RedNova.com ^ | 06 January 2005 | Martin Rees & Helen Matsos

Posted on 01/06/2005 5:29:32 PM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: PatrickHenry

"Everywhere. It was everything."

But in that case the universe wouldn't be expanding, because it would already be everywhere. Somewhere, there is a point where all of the arrows point away from.


41 posted on 01/06/2005 6:35:58 PM PST by Kerfuffle
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To: PatrickHenry
What Was Here Before the Beginning?

My tagline says it all.

42 posted on 01/06/2005 6:39:03 PM PST by PhilipFreneau (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. -- Psalms 14: 1, 53:1)
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To: Kerfuffle

Maybe so, at least in the part of the universe we can see the expansion is uniform. But, we might be seeing such a small part of the total universe that we simply can't detect any curvature. It's like if you never leave the town you were born in and assume the earth is flat.


43 posted on 01/06/2005 6:39:59 PM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: Kerfuffle
But in that case the universe wouldn't be expanding, because it would already be everywhere. Somewhere, there is a point where all of the arrows point away from.

It's always everwhere. There isn't anywhere else. That's what "universe" means (traditionally). But it's expanding. (Don't ask me to go deeper than that, because I don't think I can.)

44 posted on 01/06/2005 6:44:36 PM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Hello Patrick,
Your interviewee never answered the question. It is a question which I have repeatedly asked you and Dimensio. But you would not answer. I will ask you to go back and re-read the article and make some observations and comment on these observations.......Some of the predicates observed in this article are as follows:...past two years we have been able to firm up.........probably.......surprising because it is made up of 4% atoms and 25% so called dark matter.......probably some particles.......mysterious ingredients..........best guess.......If it continues that way.........1st nanosecond things became uncertain......so the very early universe is a matter of conjecture or rather cnsensus.......we don't understand........fascinating ideas.........we can't answer that question.......maybe it is a case......doesn't have any clear meaning.....lots of ideas about what might have happened......whether there are other big bangs we don't know.......If there are we can't say......we can't tract things right back to the beginning........we can't say whether the universe is the only one.......the more exciting possibilities......the idea is spectacular......no direct measurements......different possibilities.................................... Are you getting the picture that this is a whole lot of speculation and not science. It is fiction in people's mind. He says as much himself. He wants you to believe him because he validates himself and his career with your agreement. Now I will let you in on a secret.....One cannot deal with origins apart from faith. The evolutionists faith or the Christians faith. The difference is that the evolutionist will not admit this obvious conclusion and therefore wanders around in the darkness, professing he has answers but when pressed on the fact of an answer to the very question posited in the title, he prefers self delusion. Keep on looking under the rocks. I hope you all will someday put truth ahead of your desires and then you will find what you are looking for under the rocks.


45 posted on 01/06/2005 6:48:32 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (p)
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To: ProudVet77
Please don't mention her and bang in the same sentence :)

Thanks

46 posted on 01/06/2005 6:52:26 PM PST by America's Resolve (awarforeurabia.blogspot.com - Watching the war for Europe)
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To: PatrickHenry
I have a cousin who has a PHD in Cosmology from the University of Chicago.

When I first heard that, the first thought which entered my mind was "wow, a PHD in hairdressing".

Then I thought maybe it had something to do with reading palms. Come to think about it, I am not sure what it is but I think he is a mathmatics whiz.

47 posted on 01/06/2005 6:57:31 PM PST by Shanda
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To: PatrickHenry
Seems to me the only way to explain the possibility of a Big Bang is assuming the "Cosmic egg" was always there. But that creates quite a paradox.

If the Big Bang occurred because internal pressures and temperatures became so intense, that would mean that the pressures and temps. had to be building for some period of time - which means there had to be a beginning to this buildup. That leads back to a beginning where matter would have had to appear out of nothing.

48 posted on 01/06/2005 6:59:20 PM PST by mtg
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To: PatrickHenry
We may not know what came before the Big Bang but I know what came after it.........(drum roll please)

The Big Cigarette!

49 posted on 01/06/2005 7:01:44 PM PST by nevergiveup (We CAN do it!)
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To: pipecorp

String... analagous to the neuron pathways in the brane, I mean't brain (or did I).

From the mind of God. He made man in his own image(ination).

We will exist as long as God image(ine)s us to.


50 posted on 01/06/2005 7:04:52 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (>The government of our country was meant to be a servant of the people, not a master.)
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To: ProudVet77

Who, helen thomas?


51 posted on 01/06/2005 7:05:58 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (>The government of our country was meant to be a servant of the people, not a master.)
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To: pipecorp
[ This may be out there, but what about an inverse of time? ]

Time is an invention of things that die...
But timing is not..

52 posted on 01/06/2005 7:07:42 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: rbg81
2. While many things appear random, nothing really is. We just don't understand the the underlying patterns.

Random or Non-random , all can be considered as 'having purpose'. And still we would have no understanding of the patterns.

3. Our existence, actions, and even thoughts have all been predetermined.

What we COULD DO was predetermined, what our MIND would be supplied with was predetermined, what we DID was not.

4. While we have the ability to make our own decisions, the outcome of decision process is predetermined. This is the paradox of free will.

The outcome is not predetermined, but the tendency is built in. We were built to explore the facets of materiality, creating with thought, exactly like our creator (in his image(ination)), to find something NEW continuously, just as each part of our brain strives to do the same.

GOD DOES NOT LIKE SPENDING ETERNITY BORED. THAT IS WHY HE MADE MAN. ------------------------------------------------------------

53 posted on 01/06/2005 7:17:10 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (>The government of our country was meant to be a servant of the people, not a master.)
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To: Texas Songwriter
The evolutionists faith or the Christians faith.

I can barely read your post because it's such a rambling construct, but I am really tired of this false dichotomy.
54 posted on 01/06/2005 7:40:10 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!Ah, but)
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To: Dimensio

Your answer perfectly makes my point. You will not address the question. I am sorry you are tired, but you posted your statements. Will you answer the question, notwithstanding your fatigue.


55 posted on 01/06/2005 7:55:28 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (p)
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To: PatrickHenry
My real question isn't what happened before the Big Bang, but why it happened at all.

If all the matter of the universe were in one place, wouldn't it be a black hole?
56 posted on 01/06/2005 7:59:56 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner ("There's not another country in the world . . . that could have produced a Pat Tilman."--Ann)
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To: konaice
Thank You for the Flatland link..

Bookmarked..

57 posted on 01/06/2005 8:03:07 PM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: PatrickHenry
The universe is my business.

What a tagline..
How would you say that in Latin?

Please put me on your "ping" list.. ( The Full Monty, I am interested in the "other" stuff too.. )

58 posted on 01/06/2005 8:06:25 PM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: pipecorp
"I thought that the consensus was that up to eleven different dimensions might exist in the string and brane theories?"

You're not up on the latest. It's now the stringbean theory...

59 posted on 01/06/2005 8:08:18 PM PST by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
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To: DSBull
It was without form and void....

Void to yer muther.. (snark, snark.. )

Sorry, can't pass up a straight line.. ;o)

60 posted on 01/06/2005 8:08:53 PM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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