Posted on 01/07/2005 4:22:14 AM PST by rdb3
I am overwhelmed with sadness over the state of the Muslim world. I am looking at the photograph of an Iranian woman about to be stoned to death in Iran, buried to her waste in dirt to keep her from running away.
A few weeks ago, I read about a 14 year-old Iranian boy who died after receiving 85 lashes for the ‘sin’ of eating in public in the month of Ramadan. Salah Uddin Choudhury has been in prison for one year in Bangladesh for the ‘crime’ of urging his nation to recognize Israel and advocating interfaith dialogue among equals as well as warning against the growing power of Islamists in Bangladesh.
What are Muslim community activists in America doing about their homegrown brutal human rights violations? They are silent.
The picture of the stoned woman has been seen by some Muslims I know in the Middle East and also fellow Americans, Christians and Jews. The first reaction by the Muslims was “what did she do?” while the first reaction by Americans was “How could this happen?”
The Muslim majority here in the US remains silent seeing the outrageous brutal medieval-style and inhumane punishments practiced in many parts of the Muslim world. Americans, who are puzzled by the silence of the so called “moderate” Arab-Americans after 9/11, do not understand that Arabs learned to be silent and indifferent to terror before even coming to America. Generations after generations of Muslims lived under dictatorships and were trained to look the other way when Muslims tortured and terrorized other Muslims. The result is a population de-sensitized to seeing brutality and horror. Too many of them see cruel punishment as normal. Their silence over the killing was not just an insult to America after 9/11, but is aiding and abetting the cruel culture of hate, terror, torture and beheadings.
Arab men, known for ‘machismo’, are doing nothing while watching such horrible injustice happen to their women and children. There is no uprising by Arab women over the inhumanity and cruelty their sisters in Islam are suffering. “She must have done something really bad!” one Muslim woman said to me after seeing the picture. By that, she of course meant having sex outside of marriage. 2000 years after Christianity abandoned stoning as a form of punishment, Islam still continues to practice it.
Even Muslim groups who live with Western freedoms are not making a strong stand to stop this cruel practice. There is a petition being circulated on the Internet by mostly non-Muslim or former Muslim groups to save the life of yet another Iranian woman from being stoned to death. On the other hand, many Muslim women in America, all the while enjoying Western freedoms, are busy covering their ankles, complaining about the French law against wearing religious symbols in French public schools or filing law suits to get their faces covered up on their drivers’ licenses in America.
These hijab-wearing Muslim women expressed no outrage over the brutal murder of Margaret Hassan in Iraq, a British woman who dedicated 30 years of her life to helping Iraqis. How many properly covered up Saudi, gulf state, Egyptian, Syrian or Jordanian women went to Iraq, Iran, Algeria or Sudan, to help their sisters and brothers in Islam as did Margaret Hassan? The answer is practically none. That job was usually left to Westerners who do it out of their Judeo-Christian inspired sense of humanity.
Most Islamic studies professors and Islamist groups in America exercise their freedom of speech given to them by America, but only when speaking against America, Judaism, Christianity, President Bush and Pat Robertson. However, they never dare to criticize their culture of origin and some even still have respect for the tyranny of the old country. They leave the job of ridding the Muslim world of terror to the victims of terror, namely America and Israel. Whenever they criticize the Muslim world it is in the context of blaming America for supporting dictatorships. However, when America attempts to bring democracy and get rid of Arab dictators they turn around and accuse America of occupation or empire building. No matter what America does, they voice criticism. That can only mean they do not seem to be serious about reformation in Muslim countries. They are, however, very serious about embarrassing, criticizing and hurting America.
Many Muslim groups and Middle East studies professors are aligning themselves with the liberal ‘hate America’ crowd in Western academia and media. Three days after the Tsunami in South Asia, I saw an Arab-American leader criticize America’s response as “slow and too little, too late” on CNN. They have the audacity to criticize America and give a free pass to the oil rich Arab countries that should be the first to respond financially to save their poor Muslim brothers and sisters in Indonesia.
Islamism and the old defeated and failed ideology of pan-Arabism is what many Islamic groups in America are advocating. They are silent in the face of Muslim poverty, corruption, neglect of human rights, oppression of women, honor killings and the brutal and unusual punishments such as cutting off limbs, flogging and stoning. They are not using American freedoms as an opportunity to change their countries of origin, but as an opportunity to influence and change America to be like the countries they came from. Their goal is also to keep Muslim-Americans under their control and the control of Muslim world mullahs, sheiks and dictators they should have left behind. How can any one take them seriously when they do not lift a finger to protect human rights in Muslim countries, but are militant in turning Arab-Americans into yet another voting block to influence American politics? They take no stand to protect the life of the Muslim woman being stoned and explain away such atrocities and beheadings while crying ‘profiling’ in America by the FBI.
Wahhabi Islamist groups in the West are dreaming of a day when Sharia Islamic laws that call for stoning women come to America and dominate the whole world. That is why Muslims in the West are not outraged over this picture.
Arab-Americans should reject Islamist groups and become part of the solution and not part of the problem in America. Let the history books say that Arab-Americans were the seed and cause of change in the Middle East. Let us stand behind President Bush in trying to bring about democracy in the Arab world. Let us form active genuine peace groups and reach out to other religions. Let us celebrate the freedoms America has given us by extending our compassion to the victims of terror left behind in our countries of origin. That should be the mission of Arab organizations in America and not the silly anti-American causes they are pursuing with the blessings from the enemies of America.
Arab-Americans should no longer stand silent before acts of terror and beheadings on our fellow brave American men and women in the US armed forces as well. America should never allow the poison of medieval-style justice and morality to penetrate its psyche under the guise of multiculturalism. It is time for America to hold Muslim countries and culture responsible for terrorism. Those countries are waging a two-faced war against the West while hiding behind their terrorists and their sacred veils.
Yes, the silent Muslim majority is the problem. Their silence is empowering not only the terrorists and brutal dictatorships, but all of the cultural, political and social pathologies behind them. Arab- Americans who speak out might be called ‘heroes’ by some. However, speaking out of love and gratitude for America is the duty of all American citizens.
Our media enables this silence by keeping the discussion out the public realm. Public pressure on Muslims might change their apathy..
Has our liberalization (pc) led us to our own destruction at the hands of the most evil cult of Satan on earth.
Do not be holding your breath waiting for this to happen.
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You won't even see the muslims on the FR do this either.
Islam must ultimately be either banned or SEVERELY controlled in western nations. At the very least, if we're not going to ban it, we need to establish an official version of it which is tolerated, and ban the others. We need to heave ALL the wahhabi immams and other religious officials ASAP, i.e. like yesterday. Any connection between Islam in America and Saudi Arabia needs to be broken, including the practice of having sermons faxed in here from Rihyad on fridays; that's not freedom of religion, that's infiltration.
For a picture of Nonie Darwish, go to this site:
http://www.meetnet.org/Education.htm
buried to her waste waist in dirt
That "inspired sense of humanity" may one day do in the West.
The western world is dealing with a culture alien to Christian values, and to expect a "Christian-type" of response from muslims is liberal lunacy.
Well said.
Moderates rule most ideologies.
Moderate Islam is giving money as well as other support.
We should not kid ourselves. Behind the silence of the Muslim majority lies the tacit approval of the goals of Al Queda. The Muslim majority will always be our enemy ... even within the U.S. All non-muslim nations must take action to expel Islam from their lands and isolate them within other Muslim countries. Let them kill each other. We should not bequeath this problem to our children.
I was wondering when waste was going to be pointed out.
If we buried Barbara Boxer to her WASTE would she be buried over her head or just above the eyes.
Beautifully written, straight talk from the heart.
I read a post here somewhere that suggested Islam doesn't mean peace, but rather in the translation of the ME languages it means "submission". Which seems to fit as a better translation than "peace" does, based on many aspects of what we've observed.
Public pressure on Muslims might change their apathy.."
No, it won't
When I took my ME studies class a long time ago, I was told exactly this. This BS about islam meaning "peace" is a PC fantasy created after 9-11.
The goal of islam is to put you under its boot.
How are they silent ? Last I checked bombs go boom.
It is absurd to talk about "moderates" reforming a crime syndicate. The only way to "reform" a crime syndicate is to obliterate it. Kill or imprison the leaders and their enforcers, and the others will be freed from the servitude that keeps them silent. The trappings of the "religion" (Mecca and Medina, all mosques and other "holy" places) would have to be removed- but we have the technology.
Ideally, we should use RICO to remove Islam from the US. The main thing standing in the way of that is the idea that we have Muslim "friends" in Iraq and Afghanistan. It will eventually have to be recognized that the WOT is the war on the crime syndicate. In the interim, we need to stop Muslim immigration and "encourage" American Muslims to emigrate to the Muslim paradises we are creating in the Middle East.
And our job is to put ourselves, briefly, under islams boot. At least until the owner of the boot returns to the earth after the most recent JDAM strike launched him. Then we can bury him boots and all....
The world needs more moderates like me.
The silent muslim majority is actually saying quite a lot by their silence. They are silently nodding tacit approval to those who perform atricities under the blanket of Islam. They have spoken loud and clear as far as I am concerned.
It speaks a thousand words.
When you submit, there will be peace.
There was supposed to be this big demonstration march against murder and terrorism by muslims in Oslo after the van Gogh murder. The leader of the islamic community in Norway created a minor scandal when he stated that he supported the murder, and stated when they (muslims in Norway) become the majority they will use democracy to introduce sharia.
Well, when the big march finally came, Virtually no one showed up. All the imams (except one weird afghan looking fellow) made a very public boycott of it stating that they did not intend to be bullied around by the Norwegian society.
Jan:
Thanks for the ping!
As for the speaking out---they won't. But that doesn't men we cannot remind them that it is a very good idea for them to do so.
I have often said that muslims that failed to condemn the 9/11 attacks were thus condoning them. The same applies to other muslim atrocities as well.
I'm tired of the apologists that say we have to 'understand' islam. As one tagline here on FR states "All I needed to learn about islam I learned on 9/11"
Actully I had a very good understanding of islam prior to that, but 9/11 was the last lesson.
The problem is, we do "understand" Islam.
We don't want it here!
Period.
Not only are the silent majority of Muslims to blame, there are plenty of clueless, non-Muslim, Islamic apologists around that will defend Islam, and its inherent bigotry to ensure Muslims are kept oppressed by Islam and remain its primary victims.
No, I don't want it hear either----and the faster they leave, the better.
The apologists are really getting to me.
Hey, can I be the first to call that as "Tactics of the Left" on this thread? ;o)
I guess if Hitler declared Fascism a state religion with Aryan priests and Jew burning ceremonies some clueless twits would call us "bigots" if we spoke out against this "religion."
It just highlights their own ignorance and hypocrisy for all to see...
So, whens the Fatwa coming out?
I think the main difference is one set know exactly what they are doing... they have been doing it for 1400 years. The other set are just "useful idiots" who mistakenly think the former will owe them some debt of gratitude.
It's been over 3 years since Sept.11. The "silent" majority of Muslims have had plenty of time to organize, galvanize and speak out against Muslim atrocities committed here in the USA as well as those committed in their countries of origin. The reason that "moderate muslims" are silent is because they don't exist, and if they do exist they are such a small part of the Muslim-American population, they aren't even in the census.
No surprise here. Probably home beating their wives.
Wanna buy a bridge?
Do you have a good deal for me?
GREAT POST!
Thanks, Jan...perhaps I should PING the Chemist?
Osama already took care of that a few years ago.
>>>>perhaps I should PING the Chemist?<<<<<
LOL
It depends.
I thought you might want a break and a chance to refuel before the next flame war.
Your call!
Hey Jan -
You may have missed this link I posted on the other thread -
Found this page and this quote - http://www.submission.org/jihad/replies.html
"Prophet Muhammed himself told them not to write any other books but the Quran, they did not listen except for the first 200 years. In these books the scholars find all the reasons to kill anyone and oppress anyone. They use these books to cancel the clear verses in the Quran that order them to be Just and peaceful. For example , Quran declares,
"There shall be no compulsion in religion" 2:256,
but the Hadiths books cancel this major Quranic law. "
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