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Nuclear Submarine Runs Aground South of Guam
The Associated Press ^ | Jan 8, 2005 | The Associated Press

Posted on 01/08/2005 3:19:47 AM PST by Jet Jaguar

HONOLULU (AP) - A nuclear submarine ran aground about 350 miles south of Guam, injuring several sailors, one of them critically, the Navy said.

There were no reports of damage to the USS San Francisco's reactor plant, which was operating normally, the Navy said.

Jon Yoshishige, a spokesman for the U.S. Pacific Fleet based at Pearl Harbor, said the Friday afternoon incident is under investigation and the 360-foot submarine was headed back to its home port in Guam.

Details on the sailors' injuries were not immediately available. The sub has a crew of 137, officials said.

Military and Coast Guard aircraft from Guam were en route to monitor the submarine and assist if needed, the Navy said.

Guam is a U.S. territory about 3,700 miles southwest of Hawaii.

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On the Net:

U.S. Pacific Fleet: http://www.cpf.navy.mil

AP-ES-01-08-05 0343EST


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: guam; shipwreck; silentservice; ssn711; submarine; usn; usssanfrancisco
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To: SmithL; jrewing; Doohickey; HipShot; All

Gentlemen, I'm convinced we have witnessed a miracle in the last few days. That was a terrible, terrible casualty, and it could have been a lot worse if it wasnt for the courage and dedication of these men. I dont think there is a submarine casualty on record that compares to this one.

The Skipper is a hero, no doubt about it. Anyone claiming he messed up or did wrong is way off base. CDR Mooney acted in the finest tradition of submarine skippers and brougt a very badly damaged boat back against the odds. The legal actions aside, he kept that ship from sinking, even though it very well could have done so. He earned the respect of every man on the crew by doing so.

The COW hit the chicken switches and put them on the surface, even though he was injured with a broken arm. if he had not done so, they could have had much more damage. He's a hero.

The Diving officer kept the ship stable on the surface, in open ocean, even though the trim calculations must have been worse than Chinese Arithmetic, and keeping it there was a full time job. If he had failed, they would have sunk even though they made it to the surface. He's a hero.

The crew kept the ship floating, even though the San Fran was obviously in very bad shape. They hardly slept a wink from the time of the accident until the ship tied up. Every guy on that ship is a hero. No doubt about that.

The Corpsman and his helpers are also hero's in every sense of the word. Unless you have been there, you cannot imagine the situation they had to endure to treat the wounded. It wasn't a sterile hospital. It was damaged submarine in the fight of her life.

The crew member that died is also a hero. He was one man in a one hundred year tradition of past submariners who willingly gave his life so we could live free. He drew hazardous duty pay for most of his career, and lived an entire lifetime in only 24 years. God bless him, and keep him.

So when the anti-military media starts their feeding frenzy on these guys, remember the actions of this submarine crew in the face of danger. The media isnt even fit to shine their shoes, much less walk a mile in them.

I'm an old submariner. I stand behind their actions every step of the way. I'll stand beside them if necesary. They did the best they could with what they had in a bad situation, and they did a fantastic job in all respects.


J/M
Submariner
1978-1987
Atlantic and Pacific fleets
BTDT



1,001 posted on 01/10/2005 6:14:29 PM PST by judicial meanz
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To: nmrancher; SS Guy; fastattacksailor

These photo's show what "normal" surfaced position of the bow is: Look at how high out of the water 688 usually rides at.

http://navysite.de/ssn/ssn688.htm

Losing the tanks fwd came close to dropping the whole boat: If two more cracked, or if the LP blower failed, they'ed have been in trouble of sinking anyway.


1,002 posted on 01/10/2005 6:14:37 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: judicial meanz

J/M
Submariner
1978-1987
Atlantic and Pacific fleets
BTDT


EITHER YOU ARE QUALIFIED,
OR YOU'RE NOT!

BTDT too.
Pacific fleet
1964 -1970
SS Guy


1,003 posted on 01/10/2005 6:52:40 PM PST by SS Guy
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To: SS Guy

You rock!


1,004 posted on 01/10/2005 6:58:31 PM PST by judicial meanz
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To: SS Guy

EITHER YOU ARE QUALIFIED,
OR YOU'RE NOT!


Yep

Lots of good info on here once I dug thru the uninformed civlant conjecture. Thanks folks!

ex-MM1(SS) here myself


1,005 posted on 01/10/2005 7:09:25 PM PST by Nukie
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To: judicial meanz

Thanks. Pinging the entire crew to #1001.


1,006 posted on 01/10/2005 7:14:05 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.)
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To: Nukie

Welcome. We've attracted the best of the best to this thread, unlike some others.

RM1(SS)


1,007 posted on 01/10/2005 7:15:53 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.)
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To: MAWG
Has the subs' depth at the point of impact been posted already?

CNN reports 575 ft. 30 kts.

1,008 posted on 01/10/2005 7:17:53 PM PST by null and void (I refuse to live my life as if someone, somewhere will be offended if I laugh...)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Actually the SAN FRANCISCO is a Flight I 688.


1,009 posted on 01/10/2005 7:26:11 PM PST by Ace_Bebop (BUZZZ -- Try Again)
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To: judicial meanz

Excellent post, thanks.


1,010 posted on 01/10/2005 7:45:31 PM PST by Eaker ("I am a Scientist ............... and that was fast for me.")
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

No doubt it was a very near deal.

The debrief said she was drawing 5 feet less aft than normal. The pic of her coming into Apra speaks for itself for the MBT damage.

Those guys did outstanding work--every one of 'em.

Any word if there if a fund has been established yet?


1,011 posted on 01/10/2005 8:03:12 PM PST by fastattacksailor (The US without the UN is like not having your mother-in-law with you on your honeymoon)
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To: Ace_Bebop

Thanks. The "bio" said she went in for a major retrofit in 1989. I figured that was to make her "improved". Saw the picture after the post.


1,012 posted on 01/10/2005 8:05:32 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: fastattacksailor

Any word if there if a fund has been established yet?




Give it a day or 2 and the Groton Base of USSVI will have something in place


1,013 posted on 01/10/2005 8:10:12 PM PST by Nukie
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To: judicial meanz

Thanks JM.

This a-ganger that crossed the bar went from one good crew to another.

They saved each other, their boat, and themselves.

We're in good hands.

I'll stand for them too.


1,014 posted on 01/10/2005 8:24:36 PM PST by HipShot ("Remember the first rule of gunfighting... have a gun." --Colonel Jeff Cooper)
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To: Nukie
"Lots of good info on here once I dug thru the uninformed civlant conjecture."

Welcome to FR.

You might notice that a lot of threads have speculation about their subject by those who don't have any knowledge or special insight of the subject.   Don't let it bother you.  It's just the way 'group think' (as some have called it) works, distilling all the possibilities down into probabilities and then eliciting the facts from the more knowledgeable.

Wild speculation and obvious misinformation is quickly caught and deep-sixed by those who have more accurate info, more common sense, or better powers of reasoning.  That's what makes this place so interesting.  You can learn so much.   I know I have.

We try not to have many flame wars, and lots of people have a great sense or humor, using sarcasm, satire, puns, etc.   I hope you enjoy FR, but be forewarned - it has a definite 'Conservative' flavor to it.   ;^D

Here is a good link to a fundraiser for the SF on a submariner's BBS site:

USS SAN FRANCISCO Fundraising

BTW - I'm  a civie, not military - just never got the call.  Tried to enlist in the Marine's PLC program when I was in college, but my eyesight was so bad they would only take me as enlisted.  I decided to finish college first, then I got married in my Senior year and waited for the draft to call me up - never happened.

Prayers for the fine crew of the SF and for the MM2(SS)Ashley and his family.

FReegards,

RebelTex

1,015 posted on 01/10/2005 9:06:23 PM PST by RebelTex (Freedom is everyone's right - and everyone's responsibility!)
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To: Nukie

Thanks!


1,016 posted on 01/10/2005 9:17:51 PM PST by fastattacksailor (The US without the UN is like not having your mother-in-law with you on your honeymoon)
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To: rsobin

I question the thought of posting your son's name on a public forum.....especially since he is aboard a boat.

Maybe you can get the mods to delete his name and substitute it with xxx or something.


1,017 posted on 01/10/2005 9:22:29 PM PST by El Gran Salseron ( The replies by this poster are meant for self-amusement only. Read at your own risk. :-))
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To: El Gran Salseron
Maybe you can get the mods to delete his name and substitute it with xxx or something.

Good point. They should do that anyway.

1,018 posted on 01/10/2005 9:24:13 PM PST by steve86
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To: RebelTex; Nukie
"Lots of good info on here once I dug thru the uninformed civlant conjecture."

But in all fairness, they have read Clancy.

heh heh heh

1,019 posted on 01/10/2005 10:30:11 PM PST by SmithL (ex-Boomer Rider)
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To: nmrancher

Thank you to you and your son for his service to our country.


1,020 posted on 01/10/2005 10:37:36 PM PST by B-Cause (Old news media is going fast - Welcome to the NEW MEDIA!)
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