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'Cosmic' bakery's phone mast fear
BBC ^ | 12/20/2004 | Staff

Posted on 01/08/2005 10:42:47 AM PST by fso301

Bread at the bakery
Biodynamic food is grown out of a spiritual understanding of nature

A bakery is fighting plans for a phone mast because it claims radio waves will ruin its "cosmic bread".

Artisan Bread say emissions from the antenna will disrupt "subtle forces" which help to make the loaves.

The bakery plots planetary movements and uses a special calendar to work out the best time to make the bread.

But it is claimed the shop in Whitstable, Kent, would lose its special licence because the mast is too close to the premises.

Bakery owner Ingrid Greenfield, who supplies exclusive shops including Harvey Nichols, said: "It does sound wacky but as you work with it, and you see what it does to people, obviously it works.

Our concerns are about microwave radiation affecting the baking process


Timothy Brink, Biodynamic Agricultural Association

"If you grow things and sow things on the right days, plants are strong and resistant to disease."

She said the installation of the mast in a position so close to the bakery would "destroy the vitality" of her product, preventing her from working with "subtle, cosmic forces".

"You can't see them, you can't smell them and you can't feel them, but it all comes together in the product."

Hutchinson 3g said it looked at other sites, but the only option was to place the mast nine metres from the shop.

Canterbury Council had refused permission for the mast, but the phone company appealed and the planning authority's decision was overturned.

Mrs Greenfield, who says she is prepared to take legal action, said her customers buy her bread because they care about their health and how their food is made.

'Living process'

The bread is certified by the Demeter licence, issued by the Biodynamic Agricultural Association, which promotes farming based on a holistic and spiritual understanding of nature.

Timothy Brink, development officer for the Demeter sign, said the 50 metre rule was "a precautionary measure".

"It is because so little is known yet and there is so little research to prove that radiation from mobile phone masts is safe.

"Making the bread is a living process, similar to yoghurt, where the dough rises and develops with the yeast.

"Our concerns are about microwave radiation affecting the baking process.

"Research in Scandinavia has raised concern about the health effects and what we have heard is that with a 50 metre zone, you can be relatively confident there will be no serious health risks, but with a shorter distance you just don't know."

'No impact'

Mike Davies, community affairs manager for the mobile phone company, said: "Prior to our application, there was a mobile phone base station quite close to where our site is and that has been there for three or four years, and it hasn't had any impact on the bakery.

"We do have constraints placed on us by the landowners, who might say this is the area we would like you to go, because of their operation or business interests.

"You can't just choose any site on the piece of land."

The owner of the land declined to comment to BBC Radio Kent.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 3g; alternativemedicine; bakery; barkingmoonbat; callingartbell; cellphone; cellphones; crunchie; fluffybunny; hippy; hogwash; homeopathic; junkscience; luddite; mast; newage; organic; radiation; tower

1 posted on 01/08/2005 10:42:48 AM PST by fso301
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To: fso301

The baking of Cosmic Bread intereferes with the natural flow of Phlogiston. These bakers are committing crimes against humanity, and must be immediately arrested and summarily executed. Apparently, if it's good enough for the voices in my head, it's good enough to be listened to by the British government.


2 posted on 01/08/2005 10:47:56 AM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel
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To: fso301

Does this person have any electrical appliances, lights or motors in use. EMF has the same effect as Microwave radation except at a long range.


3 posted on 01/08/2005 10:49:49 AM PST by handy old one (Never confuse the facts with the issues!!)
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To: fso301

The bread may have problems, but I bet the fruitcakes continue to flourish. :)


4 posted on 01/08/2005 10:51:09 AM PST by The Duke
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To: fso301

I bet if the picture were larger, you'd see the tin foil hat on the baker's head.


5 posted on 01/08/2005 10:54:10 AM PST by wolfpat
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To: fso301
'Cosmic' bakery's phone mast fear

Nominated for the Wierdest Headline of the Month.

6 posted on 01/08/2005 10:55:01 AM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: fso301

"radio waves will ruin its "cosmic bread". "

You know my last batch of cosmic bread was ruined by radio waves.....had to throw it out. Just wasn't cosmic anymore.


7 posted on 01/08/2005 10:55:43 AM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: fso301

"Cosmic Bread" = Regular Price times 3.


8 posted on 01/08/2005 10:58:20 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: handy old one

"EMF has the same effect as Microwave radation except at a long range."

At the yeast you'd probably get a rise out of the bakers if you told them that.


9 posted on 01/08/2005 10:59:28 AM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat?)
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To: Lazamataz
Nominated for the Wierdest Headline of the Month

As Rush says, you can't make this stuff up.

10 posted on 01/08/2005 11:00:10 AM PST by fso301
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To: fso301
Recommended course of action for the wireless provider intent on installing 'the radio mast' (sic) -

- install the 'mast', even install Heliax and antennas, but skip installing any RF hardware (by not installing the RF hardware and line interface rack the temptation to actually 'turn up' the site will not be an issue, plus, it would be impossible for said site to emit/tramsit RF energy)

- field the complaints from the bakery, carefully noting in all correspondence that the particular cell site ('radio mast') is not in service as of those dates

- quietly, at some prudent point, install the RF equipment and 'tun up' said cite.

- observe for the presence or absence of 'complaints'.

11 posted on 01/08/2005 11:01:07 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: Rebelbase

And telling them no more easy to use gagets to speed up the job. Back to the OLD way by hand and fire light!! HAHAHaHa!!


12 posted on 01/08/2005 11:02:58 AM PST by handy old one (Never confuse the facts with the issues!!)
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To: handy old one
EMF has the same effect as Microwave radation except at a long range
EMF (electromotive force)

or

EMF (electromagnetic fields)?

One is/can be just a battery (the first) while the second if an E-H (electro-magentic) 'field' capable of propagating through space on its own (literally: radio wave).

In the case of the 2nd term, EMF is the same as Microwave radiation.

In the case of the first, I presently have a fluorescent kitchen lamp that has failed and when it blinks I can hear the 'arcing' in my PC speakers as it creates spikes on the AC line ...

13 posted on 01/08/2005 11:10:17 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: fso301
'Living process' The bread is certified by the Demeter licence, issued by the Biodynamic Agricultural Association, which promotes farming based on a holistic and spiritual understanding of nature. Timothy Brink, development officer for the Demeter sign, said the 50 metre rule was "a precautionary measure". "It is because so little is known yet and there is so little research to prove that radiation from mobile phone masts is safe. "Making the bread is a living process, similar to yoghurt, where the dough rises and develops with the yeast. "Our concerns are about microwave radiation affecting the baking process.

"Making the bread is a living process"..... huh......?

"yoghurt"..... ???? (maybe more Painful to swollow???)

You just KNOW everyone there owns a cell phone, do they worry about Brain Tumors ? I bet they even use Sun Block (SPF 10,000) just to guard against Solar Flair burns & it's Radiation. These people all sound "Half Baked" to me. ;)

14 posted on 01/08/2005 11:10:43 AM PST by austinmark (*Never Underestimate the Power of Stupid People in Large Groups.*)
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To: fso301; ecurbh; Ramius
Jimmy Buffett believes in Cosmic Bakers...
Fruitcakes
By: jimmy buffett, amy lee
1994

--spoken:
You know I was talking to my friend desdemona the other day she
Runs this space station and bake shop down near boomtown. she told
Me that human beings are flawed individuals. the cosmic bakers
Took us out of the oven a little too early. and that’s the
Reason we’re as crazy as we are and I believe it.

Take for example when you go to the movies these days, you know.
They try to sell you this jumbo drink, 8 extra ounces of watered
Down cherry coke for an extra 25 cents. I don’t want it.
I don’t want that much organziation in my life.
I don’t want other people thinking for me.
I want my junior mints. where did the junior mints go in the
Movies. I don’t want a 12 lb. nestle’s crunch for 25 dollars. i
Want junior mints.

We need more fruitcakes in this world and less bakers!
We need people that care! I’m mad as hell! and I don’t want to
Take it anymore!


15 posted on 01/08/2005 11:14:24 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: _Jim
Naw, that would make too much sense.

What's empirical data when you've got 'cosmic forces' at work?

L

16 posted on 01/08/2005 11:18:44 AM PST by Lurker ("I answer to you, 'F*** you-I shall die on my feet.!" Oriana Fallaci.)
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To: fso301

A classic example of having just enough knowledge to be really stupid. If he/she/it know more about EMF, there would be no worry, and without out ANY knowledge, Ditzo could continue to blame the phase of the Moon when the dough fails to rise...


17 posted on 01/08/2005 11:19:28 AM PST by jonascord (What is better than the wind at 6 O'Clock on the 600 yard line?)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
"These bakers are committing crimes against humanity, and must be immediately arrested and summarily executed."
Well, before applying thermal treatment to the bakers for being possessed by a pythonic spirit, one should inquire further: so-called Cosmic Bread being sold in Great Britain, there must be some consumers of it. While a healthy doubt should be given to their opinions (who knows how kooky and wacky they are or even have to be to consume that kind of stuff), one should inquire from them about how good a bread it actually is. Besides, the kookiness might be contagious.
18 posted on 01/08/2005 11:22:59 AM PST by GSlob
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To: fso301

Thanks a lot, I lost ten IQ points just by reading that photo caption.


19 posted on 01/08/2005 11:23:00 AM PST by sumocide
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To: fso301

Would wrapping the bakery in tinfoil help? Maybe tinfoil on the outside, and gold leaf on the inside, seperated by an air-gap...


20 posted on 01/08/2005 11:26:26 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: GSlob

"..possessed by a pythonic spirit.."

Does that mean this controversy has to be submitted to the Ministry of Silly Walks?


21 posted on 01/08/2005 11:27:35 AM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel
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To: ApplegateRanch

Is the air gap caused by DUmmiecrat thinking??


22 posted on 01/08/2005 11:31:19 AM PST by handy old one (Never confuse the facts with the issues!!)
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To: ApplegateRanch
Would wrapping the bakery in tinfoil help? Maybe tinfoil on the outside, and gold leaf on the inside, seperated by an air-gap...

LOL. I'd be inclined to toss some dead rodents out on the ground between the tower and the bakery. That would really get them going.

23 posted on 01/08/2005 11:32:21 AM PST by fso301
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To: Lazamataz; aculeus; general_re; Happygal; IowaHawk; hellinahandcart; AnnaZ; Constitution Day
Nominated for the Weirdest Headline of the Month.

Seconded.

24 posted on 01/08/2005 11:32:23 AM PST by dighton
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To: fso301
Want to read about what happens when these nut balls get control, check out this book it is a great read.

Fallen Angels:

In a nutshell two astronauts crashland into the middle of a future US where most technology has been outlawed in favor of an extremist form of environmentalism.


(Link to full book free online)
25 posted on 01/08/2005 11:33:05 AM PST by tricky_k_1972 (Putting on Tinfoil hat and heading for the bomb shelter.)
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To: fso301

Cosmic muffins that won't rise to a higher plane because of a radio tower? This bakery has bigger things to worry about. Have they considered how they have tortured the lowly grains of wheat to make this bread? Is wheat not a living thing? < tinfoil hat off >


26 posted on 01/08/2005 11:36:16 AM PST by 6SJ7
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To: handy old one

You're thinking abut the air gap between their ears; I was referring to the one between the sheets.

The FOIL sheets, for all the dirty minded.


27 posted on 01/08/2005 11:37:13 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: ApplegateRanch

I see their mouth moving but fail to hear what it is their saying for all the garbage they spew.


28 posted on 01/08/2005 11:41:33 AM PST by handy old one (Never confuse the facts with the issues!!)
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To: 6SJ7

Don't forget the wee yeasty-beasties; they bake them alive, or at least all the ones they don't starve to death by failing to continue feeding them as the multiply during the rise-time.

Talk about cruelty. 'seed' the dough, let them multiply beyond all reason, then let them starve, then 'cremate' them, including any living survivors.

No wonder YHVH banned leavened bread! Only pagans could be so cruel.


29 posted on 01/08/2005 11:43:29 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: fso301

I just ate some Artisan bread. They call it french bread but it is sweet and has something baked into it that looks like ants.

Oh, well.


30 posted on 01/08/2005 11:43:48 AM PST by altura
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

No. Inquisition used to handle it just fine.


31 posted on 01/08/2005 11:43:49 AM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob

Yep, and nobody expects one, especially from the Spanish.


32 posted on 01/08/2005 11:46:24 AM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
The baking of Cosmic Bread intereferes with the natural flow of Phlogiston........

I'm glad you pointed that out. Many people these days are totally unaware of the importance of Phlogiston. It is of cosmic importance as you and I know. We are duty bound to inform others.

(This post paid for by The Flat Earth Society. Thank you.

33 posted on 01/08/2005 11:47:42 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: altura
I just ate some Artisan bread.

I can safely say I won't be purchasing Artisan bread again.

34 posted on 01/08/2005 11:53:29 AM PST by fso301
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To: Fiddlstix

"Phlogiston: it's not just for breakfast anymore!"


35 posted on 01/08/2005 11:55:28 AM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel
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To: fso301

I plan to stand out front and play my theremin in protest.


36 posted on 01/08/2005 11:56:09 AM PST by P.O.E. (Happy New Year)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
"Phlogiston: it's not just for breakfast anymore!"

We'll keep getting the message out. People are learning.

37 posted on 01/08/2005 12:01:47 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: _Jim
In the case of the first, I presently have a fluorescent kitchen lamp that has failed and when it blinks I can hear the 'arcing' in my PC speakers as it creates spikes on the AC line ...

Better wrap your bread in tinfoil until you get this fixed!

38 posted on 01/08/2005 12:06:26 PM PST by OSHA (I wish Huck Finn's last name was Fillary.)
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To: fso301

These guys are nuts! According to their standards for producing baked goods (and these are only a few):
* Alcohol in all forms is prohibited.
* Baking in foil is prohibited (so no tinfoil hats around apparently).
* Microwave ovens may not be used for thawing.
* Baking in high frequency infra-red ovens is not permitted.

http://demeter.net/standards/st_processing_e04.pdf


39 posted on 01/08/2005 12:18:40 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (A Freep a day keeps the liberals away.)
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To: Lazamataz

Well, I'll say this, the story is just as goofy as the headline.


40 posted on 01/08/2005 12:27:58 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
The baking of Cosmic Bread intereferes with the natural flow of Phlogiston.

I agree totally. Let's band Dihydrogen Monoxide, too. ..while we're at it. 8^)

41 posted on 01/08/2005 12:28:46 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: LibFreeOrDie
These guys are nuts!

Yeah and the stuff is expensive too. Another example of liberals ripping off other liberals. Wonder if Michael Moore owns the bakery.

42 posted on 01/08/2005 12:51:48 PM PST by fso301
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To: dighton; Lazamataz; general_re; Happygal; IowaHawk; hellinahandcart; AnnaZ; Constitution Day

43 posted on 01/08/2005 1:13:55 PM PST by aculeus
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To: fso301
They could just build a Faraday Cage around their bakery, that would block the signals from the tower AND any other radio signals entering the building. And of course all the electrical energy being emitted from their own appliances would stop radiating out into everyone else's space.
44 posted on 01/08/2005 1:16:33 PM PST by CMOTB (Ofical Member of the spling polece)
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To: Hiskid; third try

Ping


45 posted on 01/08/2005 1:58:50 PM PST by reformedliberal
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To: fso301
I'd be inclined to toss some dead rodents out on the ground between the tower and the bakery. That would really get them going.

We think alike.

46 posted on 01/08/2005 2:04:02 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: fso301
Now ,I'm not real sure, BUT isn't "Phlogiston" the Gunk I cough-up when I have a bad Cold ????....;p
47 posted on 01/08/2005 3:01:03 PM PST by austinmark (*Never Underestimate the Power of Stupid People in Large Groups.*)
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To: aculeus; dighton
I stared at the headline on my "pings" page and tried, tried hard, to make sense of it. It hurt my head.

48 posted on 01/08/2005 5:54:14 PM PST by AnnaZ (Repent. The end is nigh. Again.)
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