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Mysterious jet tied to torture flights
Chicago Trib via Yahoo ^ | 1/8/05 | John Crewdson

Posted on 01/08/2005 11:26:59 AM PST by aynrandfreak

The first question is: Where is Leonard T. Bayard? The next question is: Who is Leonard T. Bayard? But the most important question may be: Does Leonard T. Bayard even exist?

The questions arise because the signature of a Leonard Thomas Bayard appears on the annual report of a Portland-based company, Bayard Foreign Marketing LLC, that was filed in August with the Oregon secretary of state.

According to federal records, Bayard Foreign Marketing is the newest owner of a U.S.-registered Gulfstream V executive jet reportedly used since Sept. 11, 2001, to transport suspected Al Qaeda operatives to countries such as Egypt and Syria, where some of them claim to have later been tortured.

The Central Intelligence Agency (news - web sites) has declined to discuss the plane. But one retired CIA (news - web sites) officer said that he understood the Gulfstream had been operated by the Joint Special Operations Command, an interagency unit that organizes counterterrorist operations in conjunction with the CIA and military special forces.

A search of commercial databases turned up no information on Leonard Thomas Bayard: no residence address, no telephone number, no Social Security (news - web sites) number, no credit history, no automobile or property ownership records--in short, none of the information commonly associated with real people.

And yet, someone signed the name Leonard T. Bayard to Bayard Foreign Marketing's annual report.

The report, which describes the company as an "international marketing firm," lists Bayard's principal place of business as a suite in a historic downtown Portland office building known as the Pittock Block. But a visitor to the suite who asked to see Bayard was told by a receptionist only that "Mr. Bayard doesn't work here."

(Excerpt) Read more at story.news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; cia; gulfstreamv; media; secretops; torture
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I have mixed feelings on whether the press should be reporting on these types of subjects.
1 posted on 01/08/2005 11:27:00 AM PST by aynrandfreak
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To: aynrandfreak
Crewdson is majorly yesterday and over. He's a mainstream liberal, and he doesn't open his talking points memorandums fast enough. Nothing new here.
2 posted on 01/08/2005 11:29:38 AM PST by Thebaddog (Dawgs on the coffee table.)
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To: aynrandfreak

Is this jet black?


3 posted on 01/08/2005 11:30:57 AM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: aynrandfreak

How secret could any of this be if some moron from the Trib can find it out?


4 posted on 01/08/2005 11:31:25 AM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel
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To: aynrandfreak
I have mixed feelings on whether the press should be reporting on these types of subjects.

It shouldn't.

And even when reading the whole story, there wasn't anything to justify the word "torture" in the headline.

5 posted on 01/08/2005 11:33:50 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: aynrandfreak

I thought this was going to be about another 28-hour Northwest Airlines flight without food, water, or toilets....never mind.


6 posted on 01/08/2005 11:35:55 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Dog Gone
The article mentions it here:
7 posted on 01/08/2005 11:37:35 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: aynrandfreak
Where's Paulie Zarqawi?

Oh, yeah, Paulie Zarqawi...

You won't see him around here no more

8 posted on 01/08/2005 11:40:32 AM PST by Jim Noble (Colgate '72)
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To: aynrandfreak
Ha. The mystery continues.

This story has been reported since last spring, so it's not as if the Trib or the WashPost (with a story last month) is doing something completely seditious.

But it is interesting that the Gulfstream was yet again sold to (new, shawdowy) owners, just as the stories were piling up in November.

DoD must be having fun with this.


9 posted on 01/08/2005 11:41:19 AM PST by angkor
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

Its a big secret I read about it in the paper today ....

lol.....


10 posted on 01/08/2005 11:42:45 AM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: angkor
Whoops.

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=N379P&distinct_entry=true

11 posted on 01/08/2005 11:43:20 AM PST by angkor
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To: aynrandfreak
yawn.............

burp........

ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz...

12 posted on 01/08/2005 11:45:59 AM PST by Larry381
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To: aynrandfreak
A message left by a reporter went unanswered. The CIA has long had a well-known practice of "backstopping" local telephone numbers . . .

What in the world is a reporter doing snooping around the periphery of a CIA operation? Does he think he's going to get a big scoop? Does he think he's going to bring down the President? The CIA? Does he think he's going to prove America is evil and help bring it down, too? Does he think he'll be loved in Hollywood?

I think the CIA should make him disappear.

13 posted on 01/08/2005 11:47:27 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: aynrandfreak
And yet, someone signed the name Leonard T. Bayard...

Yep, I guess Ben Dover or Seymour Butts would have been too obvious. Sounds like DoD is giving the media something to do. I'll bet they're having a good laugh right now.

14 posted on 01/08/2005 11:49:03 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Gun-control is leftist mind-control.)
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To: Cultural Jihad
No, no, no, no. That's not a torture flight. What is a torture flight is the one I took back from Greece a couple of years ago.

I don't know whether the women passengers were Pakistani or Indian, but they didn't know how to use the airplane lavatory. I swear to God, they were trying to stand over the toilet to pee and they got it everywhere. That was 16 hours of hell, and I think they had to burn that plane after we landed.

That's a torture flight.

15 posted on 01/08/2005 11:50:40 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: aynrandfreak

WHY CAN'T WE HAVE EGYPT TORTURE PEOPLE? WHY IS THIS WRONG? AM I MISSING SOMETHING? THESE ARE TERRORISTS, DAMMIT!


16 posted on 01/08/2005 11:52:24 AM PST by montag813
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To: ASA Vet

Air America Ping


17 posted on 01/08/2005 11:53:04 AM PST by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but have recently come to my senses.)
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To: aynrandfreak
The first question is: Where is Leonard T. Bayard? The next question is: Who is Leonard T. Bayard? But the most important question may be: Does Leonard T. Bayard even exist?

I know who could answer these questions for the author. Ask John Galt.

18 posted on 01/08/2005 11:56:29 AM PST by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: aynrandfreak

The military keeps secrets? During war? I'm shocked!

/sarcasm


19 posted on 01/08/2005 11:56:41 AM PST by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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To: aynrandfreak

All my bags are packed, I'm ready to go; I'm standing here
outside your door, I'd hate wake you up to say goodbye

But the dawn is breaking this early morn; my taxi's waiting,
he's blowing his horn; already I'm so lonesome I could die
-CHORUS-
So kiss me and smile for me, tell me that you'll wait for me,
hold me like you'll never let me go.......coz I'm leaving on a jet
plane, I dont know when I'll be back again; Oh babe, I hate to go

There's so many times I've let you down, so many times I've
played around but tell him that they don't mean a thing

Every place I go I think of you, every song I sing I sing for
you; when I comeback I'll wear your wedding ring
-CHORUS-
So kiss me and smile for me, tell me that you'll wait for me,
hold me like you'll never let me go.......coz I'm leaving on a jet
plane, I dont know when I'll be back again; Oh babe, I hate to go
-musical interlude-

Now the time has come to leave you; One more time oh let me
kiss you, and close your eyes and I'll be on my way

Dream about the days to come when I wont have to leave
alone, by the times that I wont have to say.........
-CHORUS-
So kiss me and smile for me, tell me that you'll wait for me,
hold me like you'll never let me go.......coz I'm leaving on a jet
plane, I dont know when I'll be back again; Oh babe, I hate to go
-CHORUS-
coz I'm leaving on a jet plane
leaving on a jet plane(7x)



Print By Aor
Copyright 2000 By Aor Lyrics Music Network


20 posted on 01/08/2005 12:03:40 PM PST by Stark_GOP
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To: BIGLOOK
Team America Ping


21 posted on 01/08/2005 12:04:54 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: BIGLOOK

Southern Air Transport, flight 6969, now departing from gate number one (the only gate) for places not on the map.......


22 posted on 01/08/2005 12:05:40 PM PST by MindBender26 (Having your own XM177 E2 means never having to say you are sorry......)
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To: aynrandfreak

Maybe Leonard T. Bayard is Valerie Plame. The Secret Agent Woman herself? Inquiring minds want to know!

Not this inquiring mind, however. The government sometimes has to do things that the general public would find distasteful. It is the cost of doing business with a world that has its head up its @ss. Its gotta be done, but no one said it would be pretty.


23 posted on 01/08/2005 12:06:12 PM PST by ex 98C MI Dude (Proud Member of the Reagan Republicans)
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To: LibWhacker
I agree... just disappear.

OK, you want to make the call or should I?

; > ) LOL!!

24 posted on 01/08/2005 12:08:03 PM PST by Lion in Winter (I ain't no pussy cat... don't mess with me... ya hear! GRRRRRRrrr)
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To: gitmo

LOL!!!


25 posted on 01/08/2005 12:10:03 PM PST by Lion in Winter (I ain't no pussy cat... don't mess with me... ya hear! GRRRRRRrrr)
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To: aynrandfreak
If you understand the well-respected British firm, "Universal Exports" or certain other firms (nothing more modern than the 60s/70s here) such as Southern Air Transport, Air America, Pacific Grain Expediters, Northern Michigan Tool and Die Repair, Inc., The Inter Latin American Chamber of Commerce, Harris-Johanessen Pumps Inc. of Newport News, the Glomar Explorer and Global Marine, International Aircrew Supply Inc. and a few others, then you understand this.
26 posted on 01/08/2005 12:13:51 PM PST by MindBender26 (Having your own XM177 E2 means never having to say you are sorry......)
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To: MindBender26; Dog Gone
A Gulfstream for transporting terrorists? Highly doubtful. But this is the business of the MSM.
27 posted on 01/08/2005 12:14:14 PM PST by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but have recently come to my senses.)
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To: BIGLOOK
>A Gulfstream for transporting terrorists? Highly doubtful

No, very reliable, long range, etc. Transporting terrs requires nothing special. A seat, high security handcuffs and leg irons, a hobble, and bag over the head.

Rule #7, Hide in plain sight.

We once got a Huey "off the books in RVN" Where did we hide it? In a row of 20 other Hueys.

Traded it to the Filipino "PhilCag" for two great armored cars.
28 posted on 01/08/2005 12:18:54 PM PST by MindBender26 (Having your own XM177 E2 means never having to say you are sorry......)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Even if all of this is true, how is it wrong to repatriate Egyptian nationals to face the music in their own countries? I don't see anyone accusing us of turning them over to the Shin Bet in Israel for torture.

So JSOC leased a plane, whoopee.
29 posted on 01/08/2005 12:21:00 PM PST by NomadWA
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To: Dog Gone

LOL! But did they complain when the seat was left up?


30 posted on 01/08/2005 12:27:11 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (We flushed the Johns and Kerry surfaces in the Middle east.. Very interesting.)
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To: aynrandfreak
I have mixed feelings on whether the press should be reporting on these types of subjects.

I don't. I think they should stay the heck out of matters of national security.

31 posted on 01/08/2005 12:29:54 PM PST by Pusterfuss (You know, doing what is right is easy. The problem is knowing what is right. LBJ)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

Maybe it's Richard Brenneke, former CIA (allegedly) from Portland, Oregon who was caught up in the whole Iran/Contra, Mena, Arkansas, Ollie North affair.


32 posted on 01/08/2005 12:32:25 PM PST by Oorang (I want to breathe the fresh air of freedom, at the dawn of every day, it's the American way.)
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To: F.J. Mitchell
I don't think it was left up. They got the seat, the floor, the door, and the mirror. I didn't check the ceiling. Following one of them into the lavatory was like diving into a urine aquarium.

But no way could I hold it for 16 hours.

nightmares, cold sweats, I think I need therapy...

33 posted on 01/08/2005 12:32:47 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: aynrandfreak

Really. I agree.

Why is this even being discussed?


34 posted on 01/08/2005 12:37:12 PM PST by It's me
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To: gitmo; Pride in the USA
I know who could answer these questions for the author. Ask John Galt.

If only the reporter would ask Galt, we'd gitmo information for this story and the DoD wouldn't be laughing at him.

35 posted on 01/08/2005 12:37:41 PM PST by lonevoice (Vast Right Wing Pajama Party)
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To: MindBender26
I suspect the reporter is trying to tag the US with "rendering", transporting detainees to countries that use torture methods that we are denied by law. Big story there if true.

In Danang, our trader swapped 2 air conditioners for a jeep. IG came through a month later so TDY orders were drawn up and the jeep and a couple guys went to Phu Bai. IG finished Danang and went to Phu Bai. Our guys gave a wave passing them on the road.

Don't tell anyone.

36 posted on 01/08/2005 12:38:24 PM PST by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but have recently come to my senses.)
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To: Dog Gone

I believe I would have just opened the door and peed in.


37 posted on 01/08/2005 12:39:05 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (We flushed the Johns and Kerry surfaces in the Middle east.. Very interesting.)
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To: F.J. Mitchell

ROFL, that is some great advice if I ever board a torture flight again!


38 posted on 01/08/2005 12:41:31 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: It's me
Image: Team America
Paramount Pictures / AP
(Left to right) Sarah, Joe, Chris, Lisa and Gary try to save the world in  "Team America: World Police."

No qualms with this team.

39 posted on 01/08/2005 12:45:28 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: aynrandfreak

My feelings aren't mixed on the subject at all. The press needs to leave things like this alone.


40 posted on 01/08/2005 12:54:30 PM PST by alnick
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To: Oorang

I smell Evergreen Airlines .....


42 posted on 01/08/2005 1:18:19 PM PST by Yasotay
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To: BIGLOOK
Back then, if you had a log book to show MPs, any vehicle was cool. We had two HQ3 M151s, one in Cu Chi, the other in Tay Ninh!
43 posted on 01/08/2005 1:28:57 PM PST by MindBender26 (Having your own XM177 E2 means never having to say you are sorry......)
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To: aynrandfreak
I have mixed feelings on whether the press should be reporting on these types of subjects.

So why did you post the article and give them exposure and publicity that they don't have enough money to pay for?

44 posted on 01/08/2005 1:30:52 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: kittymyrib

Damn, I thought this thread was about US Airways.


45 posted on 01/08/2005 1:34:01 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: MindBender26
The Inspector General couldn't enter our spaces; just had to count the vehicles outside. A pickup and a stake truck. Also, they couldn't approach our aircraft or hangers. You've no idea how pissed off IG can be when they aren't allowed to inspect something. IG would have hooked us for an unaccounted sandwich...but in our business we had early warning. And dutifully directed them to the location of the disposed sandwich.
46 posted on 01/08/2005 1:53:18 PM PST by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but have recently come to my senses.)
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To: aynrandfreak
Torture?


48 posted on 01/08/2005 3:20:11 PM PST by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: angkor

Interesting note: Landings.com search of N number registrations returns "cant find N379P"


49 posted on 01/08/2005 4:03:00 PM PST by AntiBurr ("I have sworn on the altar of God eternal hostility against ...Tyranny over the mind of Man.)
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To: BIGLOOK
Ten steps dealing with an IG's questions regarding the sandwich in question

What is a sandwich?
What sandwich?
Do you see a sandwich?
Do you have any photographs of a sandwich here?
Do we have TO&E for a sandwich?
Did you ever see a sandwich here?
Do you have clearance to see a sandwich?
What is your need-to-know regarding this so-called sandwich?
We have no recollection of a sandwich
What is a sandwich?
50 posted on 01/08/2005 8:57:35 PM PST by MindBender26 (Having your own XM177 E2 means never having to say you are sorry......)
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