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U.S. mulls 'death squads' in Iraq
THE NEW YORK POST ^ | January 9, 2004 | ZACH HABERMAN

Posted on 01/09/2005 7:54:06 AM PST by PopGonzalez

"A report says government officials are reviewing a page from their old playbook to help deal with Iraqi guerrillas: sending special forces to train "death squads" to help install order."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: deathsquads; fallujah; iraq; salvador; waronterror
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1 posted on 01/09/2005 7:54:06 AM PST by PopGonzalez
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To: PopGonzalez

Death Squads - certainly the Christian way.


2 posted on 01/09/2005 7:56:25 AM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: lodwick

SOG


3 posted on 01/09/2005 7:58:04 AM PST by squirt (POLITICIANS & DIAPERS NEED TO BE CHANGED, FOR THE SAME REASON)
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To: PopGonzalez
Also being discussed is which government agency would be in charge of such an operation.

I recommend the IRS.

4 posted on 01/09/2005 7:58:52 AM PST by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: PopGonzalez

I would hope that all of our forces are adept at causing death. But if we've got some more tricks up our sleeve lets use them.


5 posted on 01/09/2005 7:58:53 AM PST by zygoat
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To: PopGonzalez

Fighting fire with fire? Whose Karma is whose?


6 posted on 01/09/2005 7:59:09 AM PST by stboz
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To: PopGonzalez
Good idea. We had to do this in 1946 when the remaining Nazis were picking off our civilian and soldier personnel. We used Adenauer's connections with the defunct German army and they did it sans trial, discussion or hesitation. It worked. Eisenhower was pleased but quiet about the whole thing for obvious reasons.

Probably best to train Iraqis in this technique. It is a dirty technique used to deal with dirty, terroristic tactics. Not for the faint-of-heart or those worshiping at the altar of world opinion.

7 posted on 01/09/2005 7:59:10 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

I was wondering what took us so long. The "insurgents" have no rights under the Geneva convention as they do not follow the rules of war. Neither should we.


8 posted on 01/09/2005 8:02:01 AM PST by winner3000
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To: PopGonzalez
Do they plan on sending Janet Reno? She could be told she's saving children. /cynicism
9 posted on 01/09/2005 8:09:32 AM PST by correctthought (Hippies, want to change the world, but all they ever do is smoke pot and smell bad)
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To: PopGonzalez

When they do it, they are insurgents. When those working with us do it, they are "death squads."

I guess that beheading people does not qualify as causing death.


10 posted on 01/09/2005 8:13:05 AM PST by djpg
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To: PopGonzalez

On the one hand I love the idea and it's about time someone thought of this.

On the other hand,

BlowBack Warning...


11 posted on 01/09/2005 8:16:19 AM PST by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: PopGonzalez
Can we have some of these squads on our southern border to "help intall order" since our government doesn't seem to want to do anythig meaningful.
12 posted on 01/09/2005 8:17:55 AM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: shrinkermd
It worked. Eisenhower was pleased but quiet about the whole thing for obvious reasons.

Wouldn’t work now. Eisenhower didn’t have television reporters, stupid troops with digital cameras, nor Bianca Jagger primping to do her school of assassins gig (think Ft. Bennings’ School of the Americas) on O’Reilly’s show.

Oh, what the heck. Let’s give it a try.

And the moment the new Iraqi government is sworn into office, let’s introduce their secret police to some of those School of the Americas graduates.

13 posted on 01/09/2005 8:19:11 AM PST by Racehorse
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To: shrinkermd
Probably best to train Iraqis in this technique. It is a dirty technique used to deal with dirty, terroristic tactics. Not for the faint-of-heart or those worshiping at the altar of world opinion.

If we can get Iraqis to care at all. I wish they would stop calling this the Salvadorean solution, it clearly is the 007 solution.

14 posted on 01/09/2005 8:21:35 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: PopGonzalez

I like it; do it fast and get it under control.


15 posted on 01/09/2005 8:24:48 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm ( veni vidi vino visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: PopGonzalez

They aren't death squads....good grief...

They are terrorist interdiction units...

nip it in the bud


16 posted on 01/09/2005 8:29:00 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: shrinkermd
Good idea. We had to do this in 1946 when the remaining Nazis were picking off our civilian and soldier personnel.

We have had some experience in this area. - Tom

We go to Managua, Nicaragua to speak with Fr. Miguel D'Escoto, a Catholic priest who was Nicaragua's Foreign Minister under the Sandinista government in the 1980s.

"The 8 years Reagan was in office represented one of the most bloody eras in the history of the Western hemisphere, as Washington funneled money, weapons and other supplies to right wing death squads. And the death toll was staggering - more than 70,000 political killings in El Salvador, more than 100,000 in Guatemala, 30,000 killed in the contra war in Nicaragua.

In Washington, the forces carrying out the violence were called "freedom fighters."

This is how Ronald Reagan described the Contras in Nicaragua: "They are our brothers, these freedom fighters and we owe them our help. They are the moral equal of our founding fathers."

17 posted on 01/09/2005 8:31:14 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: PopGonzalez

After the elections and the appointment of a legally elected Iraqi government, how the Iraqi’s handle their unruly citizens is their business. However, if Iraqi law enforcement agencies should ask the U.S. for such things as plastic chippers and training on how to use them, I’m sure we would see fit to give them all the assistance they needed.


18 posted on 01/09/2005 8:32:01 AM PST by DJ Taylor
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To: joesnuffy

Remember Phoenix?


19 posted on 01/09/2005 8:33:13 AM PST by verity (The Liberal Media is America's Enemy)
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To: PopGonzalez

The terrorists we are fighting in Iraq now only understand one thing; the fist. If you can't strike them quickly, adeptly, and violently they will continue with their actions. However, if you show them that they will be ruthlessly hunted down, that will give them pause, and when the people that harbor them see that their actions will be met with the same type of violence parceled out to the terrorists, they will stop (worked like a charm in Columbia).

I feel that we needed to take these types of actions for some time. Too bad the press got wind of this.


20 posted on 01/09/2005 8:34:50 AM PST by lt.america (Captain was already taken)
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To: PopGonzalez

Imagine that. Killing the enemy attackers. What will they think of next........


21 posted on 01/09/2005 8:35:57 AM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: DTogo

Or, you could quit trying to hijack this thread, and post that on the half-million other threads here devoted to that subject.....


22 posted on 01/09/2005 8:36:04 AM PST by The Coopster
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To: squirt
SOG

Slab on Grade?

23 posted on 01/09/2005 8:38:18 AM PST by Go Gordon (If at first you don't succeed...skydiving is not for you.)
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To: lt.america
The terrorists we are fighting in Iraq now only understand one thing; the fist. If you can't strike them quickly, adeptly, and violently they will continue with their actions. However, if you show them that they will be ruthlessly hunted down, that will give them pause, and when the people that harbor them see that their actions will be met with the same type of violence parceled out to the terrorists, they will stop (worked like a charm in Columbia

Has everyone forgotten Soviet experiences in Afghanistan and Russian experiences in Chechnya? (Not to mention that this strategy failed for the Nazis in occupied areas as well).

24 posted on 01/09/2005 8:38:19 AM PST by 1LongTimeLurker
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To: winner3000
I was wondering what took us so long. The "insurgents" have no rights under the Geneva convention as they do not follow the rules of war. Neither should we.

No kidding! I've believed we need to fight this war with ruthlessness. Our enemy will do no less. We will never win it trying to be noble and chivalrous.

Who cares what the "enlightened" Europeans and American Left thinks.

25 posted on 01/09/2005 8:39:31 AM PST by Drew68
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To: lt.america
hen the people that harbor them see that their actions will be met with the same type of violence parceled out to the terrorists, they will stop (worked like a charm in Columbia).

Um, yeah. Colombia's the model we want to follow.

26 posted on 01/09/2005 8:40:39 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: 1LongTimeLurker

You must cut this cancer out. These are not "good" Iraqis we are fighting. These are mainly former Bathists and foreign terrorists. You are not going to win any "hearts and minds" with this group.

With that said, what would your solution be?


27 posted on 01/09/2005 8:42:20 AM PST by lt.america (Captain was already taken)
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To: shrinkermd

Like shotgun squads in the convenience store, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.


28 posted on 01/09/2005 8:42:38 AM PST by johnb838 (To Hell They Will Go. Killmore.)
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To: PopGonzalez

Then by all means let the Israelies train them!


29 posted on 01/09/2005 8:43:32 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Capt. Tom
And the death toll was staggering - more than 70,000 political killings in El Salvador, more than 100,000 in Guatemala, 30,000 killed in the contra war in Nicaragua.

Those countries always catch all the breaks. Meantime America herself is lousy with leftists.

30 posted on 01/09/2005 8:45:38 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: PopGonzalez

Sounds good to me.


31 posted on 01/09/2005 8:46:14 AM PST by Poser (Joining Belly Girl in the Pajamahadeen)
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To: 1LongTimeLurker

Nazis? Nazis didn't hunt down anybody. They used reprisal to keep the people down. One of mine, 10 of yours.


32 posted on 01/09/2005 8:46:27 AM PST by johnb838 (To Hell They Will Go. Killmore.)
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To: djpg
Exactly. The tactics are valid (and frankly I'm surprised they haven't been done already). The only problem is that anti-Americans in the media and elsehwere want to use this pejorative term to describe it.
33 posted on 01/09/2005 8:48:19 AM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: PopGonzalez

“Death Squad” is a media term, and in this case bares little resemblance to the notorious death squads of Latin America. This would be an operation where soldiers kill terrorists who call themselves “soldiers”. It is far better than dropping 500 pound bombs in residential neighborhoods.


34 posted on 01/09/2005 8:48:27 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: ReignOfError

You cannot argue with the results we got by stopping the cartels that had a strangle hold on the country (which was the objective). Unfortunately, a corrupt government came to power and turned a blind eye to the drug activity in the jungles which in turned fueled a rebellion.


35 posted on 01/09/2005 8:50:23 AM PST by lt.america (Captain was already taken)
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To: verity

Hopefully we learned from the mistakes made with Phoenix.


36 posted on 01/09/2005 8:50:32 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: PopGonzalez
Is this a war or a cotillion?
37 posted on 01/09/2005 8:50:47 AM PST by Beckwith (John, you said I was going to be the First Lady. As of now, you're on the couch.)
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To: correctthought

Be careful with that suggestion - two examples of her helping with children spring to mind - Waco where dozens of children burned to death at her instigation and Elian Gonzales who returned to Cuba at the point of a gun pursuant to her orders...Now, if we sent her and told the "good" Iraqui's that she would be in charge of their children unless they assisted in finding the perps, you would have a solution.


38 posted on 01/09/2005 8:53:10 AM PST by MarkT
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To: PopGonzalez
...sending special forces to train "death squads"...

Good idea, probably needs a more obfuscatory name.

A Hellfire missile, Howitzer, or 500 lb. bomb is a less discriminant "death squad". A Special Forces trained group could better than munitions separate the combatants from the innocent.

39 posted on 01/09/2005 8:57:35 AM PST by Plutarch
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To: verity
Remember Phoenix?

Remember the CIA's Provincial Interrogation Center Program?

Rather effective. From a U.S. Army history:

On the same day the Viet Cong who had been detained were sent to a combined interrogation center established by the Mobile Intelligence Civil Affairs Team and Vietnamese provincial officials at the province capital. Later, the interrogation reports provided information that the enemy elements encountered had been a platoon-size cadre and a newly recruited Viet Cong company. The cadre was reportedly equipped only with small arms, and the company had few weapons. The search for the Viet Cong continued through 5 July and ambushes were again established during the night.

Seems to have worked.

40 posted on 01/09/2005 9:04:37 AM PST by Racehorse
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To: lodwick
Death Squads - certainly the Christian way.

I want Iraq PACIFIED.

If that means we have to have death squads, or that we have to simply kill every Iraqi, I don't care.

SO9

41 posted on 01/09/2005 9:15:49 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Kill them all. Let God sort them out.)
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To: Racehorse
The PRU (Province Reconnaissance Unit) in my neck of the woods was extraordinarily efficient in neutralizing targets.
42 posted on 01/09/2005 9:18:21 AM PST by verity (The Liberal Media is America's Enemy)
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To: johnb838
. They used reprisal to keep the people down. One of mine, 10 of yours.

And yet it didn't work, the underground movement in occupied areas flourished. Read the accounts of French underground activity in preparations for the Normandy invasion.

43 posted on 01/09/2005 9:24:07 AM PST by 1LongTimeLurker
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To: Servant of the 9
If that means we have to have death squads, or that we have to simply kill every Iraqi, I don't care.

I haven't been here long, but I'm amazed that my fellow conservatives can justify the killing of innocent men, women, and children. Even more astounding is that they would see no problem with having U.S. forces conduct the killing.

We've got 150,000 of our finest in Iraq attempting to bring liberty and democracy to these people, the vast majority of whom support our efforts, and yet some folks want to see a mass extermination of the population.

44 posted on 01/09/2005 9:26:15 AM PST by 1LongTimeLurker
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To: correctthought
Do they plan on sending Janet Reno?

Good plan, then we could call them the "Vigil Aunties".

45 posted on 01/09/2005 9:27:07 AM PST by ALASKA (Bring home the media and then take care of the terrorists....................)
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To: lt.america
With that said, what would your solution be?

My solution would be to continue to follow the President's policies, which despite the best efforts of the MSM, are actually succeeding.

46 posted on 01/09/2005 9:27:59 AM PST by 1LongTimeLurker
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To: Servant of the 9
If that means we have to have death squads, or that we have to simply kill every Iraqi, I don't care.

It would certainly be peaceful without any pesky Iraqi's around cluttering things up.

47 posted on 01/09/2005 9:29:23 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: PopGonzalez

Send Janet Reno...


48 posted on 01/09/2005 9:30:02 AM PST by bigcheese ("They pray alot, but they still prey...")
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To: 1LongTimeLurker
I'm amazed that my fellow conservatives can justify the killing of innocent men, women, and children. Even more astounding is that they would see no problem with having U.S. forces conduct the killing.

Some comments you should simply accept as statements of feeling and take them with a grain of saltwater. From the relative safety of a keyboard, it sometimes feels good to let loose with a cyber primal scream.

But the issue is real to the extent these Phoenix-style special operations, by us and by the Iraqis, will be effective, both inside and outside Iraq. A few moments ago on Fox, retired General Barry McCaffrey was telling the interviewer such a program was, in effect, overdue. McCaffrey, as 24th Infantry Division commander during Gulf War I, showed the right stuff when he destroyed an Iraqi tank division, which made the mistake of firing on his troops after the ceasefire was in effect.

Like it or not, the Iraqi campaign is only one part of the larger war. The war covers a lot of ground.

49 posted on 01/09/2005 9:51:52 AM PST by Racehorse
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To: MarkT

Dude, my comment was totally not series. She's just too evil to impose on anyone (Now I serious)


50 posted on 01/09/2005 9:52:19 AM PST by correctthought (Hippies, want to change the world, but all they ever do is smoke pot and smell bad)
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