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Illegal immigrants inundate hospitals
NJ.com ^ | 1/9/2005 | Andrew D. Smith

Posted on 01/09/2005 3:43:43 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak

New Jersey's escalating population of illegal immigrants is placing an ever-growing burden on the state's hospitals, which expect to lose $200 million this year on care to the underground community.

Doctors and administrators around the state are complaining that the cost of treating illegal immigrants has forced them to delay the purchase of life-saving technology or the addition of valuble staff.

And according to the New Jersey Hospital Association (NJHA) in West Windsor, the burden will only increase unless state or federal agencies step in and pay the bills.

'snip'

Given the uncertainty about how many immigrants live in the country illegally, no one can say exactly how much they cost the nations hospitals.

However, given that New Jersey's illegal aliens cost hospitals an estimated $200 million, the many millions of illegal aliens across the nation surely cost several billion dollars per year. The hospitals in just one city, Los Angeles, report that they lose $350 million a year on illegal immigrants.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: California; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: aliens; healthcare; hospitals; illegalaliens; illegalimmigrants; immigrantlist; wetbacks
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1 posted on 01/09/2005 3:43:43 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak
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To: gubamyster

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2 posted on 01/09/2005 3:44:49 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

BTTT


3 posted on 01/09/2005 3:45:34 PM PST by spodefly (This message packaged with desiccant. Do not open until ready for use or inspection.)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Well, we can thank the federal government for this.

But hey, they're not without compassion in DC. The recently -passed Medicare bill authorized reimbursement for 20% of the costs.

4 posted on 01/09/2005 3:47:14 PM PST by snopercod (Due to the graphic nature of this tagline, viewer discretion is advised.)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Why does "Guest Leeches" just sound so more honest than "Guest Workers"?


5 posted on 01/09/2005 3:48:06 PM PST by lindor (If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of Progress?)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Nothing finer, waiting in the emergency room in pain while Juan and Jose get get their free penicillin.


6 posted on 01/09/2005 3:49:09 PM PST by evolved_rage (When you pinch a Chircac, don't forget to flush!)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak; JackelopeBreeder; HiJinx; Spiff
When we complained way back here in the west we were called xenophobic bigots and racists. We were told that there was no way that the impact of a bunch of illegals could be that much. Couldn't we just all try to get along? They're just here looking for a job.

Well NJ welcome to our club.

The only realistic solution is to slam the border door shut and round up all the trespassers and toss them out!

Time to come up with your own version of Arizona's Prop 200 until then.
7 posted on 01/09/2005 3:51:06 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

NJ is 1. Run by the most corrupt polticians in the nation and 2. does not have the ballot initiative process.


8 posted on 01/09/2005 3:52:24 PM PST by Clemenza (President: Liger Breeders of the Pacific Northwest)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Someone please tell Bush.


9 posted on 01/09/2005 3:53:28 PM PST by Spirited
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
New Jersey's escalating population of illegal immigrants is placing an ever-growing burden on the state's hospitals, which expect to lose $200 million this year on care to the underground community.

Let the hospitals bill the state of New Jersey for reimbursement, and if the state refuses to pay then shut the hospitals down.

If the majority of people in New Jersey don't want to ban illegal immigrants from their state then let them pay higher taxes to care for them.

10 posted on 01/09/2005 3:55:15 PM PST by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

There are a lot of legal immigrants who have their healthcare paid for by the state (you and I). That's wrong. The costs mentioned in the above article will also eventually be passed along to the American taxpayer.


11 posted on 01/09/2005 3:55:24 PM PST by TAdams8591 (It ceases to be OUR charity when the GOVERNMENT gives it away!)
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To: Clemenza
My condolences twice over.
12 posted on 01/09/2005 3:56:00 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

To say nothing of our overburdened schools.


13 posted on 01/09/2005 3:56:43 PM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

And the anger about this issue builds.

It is also interesting to read articles about what is happening in Europe, which is far worse off.

The politicians still do not "get it", except for Tancredo. But there is going to be a huge popular uprising against this issue and they are going to get caught unprepared.


14 posted on 01/09/2005 3:57:05 PM PST by 2ndreconmarine
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
"Illegal immigrants inundate hospitals "

Just pass the "Bush amnesty plan", and the Illegal problem goes away.

15 posted on 01/09/2005 3:57:19 PM PST by hoot2
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To: evolved_rage

Been there/done that.


16 posted on 01/09/2005 3:58:19 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

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17 posted on 01/09/2005 3:58:53 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Sometimes at the desk, they have to fumble through multiple id cards to find the one with the name they want to use.


18 posted on 01/09/2005 4:00:09 PM PST by P.O.E. (Happy New Year)
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To: TAdams8591

The following article and others go on to say there is estimated by Bear Stearns to be now 20 million illegals in this country.
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Going Underground - Barron's
The shadow economy is about to top $1 trillion -- at a great cost to many

By JIM MCTAGUE

AMERICA HAS TWO ECONOMIES, and one is flourishing at the expense of the
other. First, there's the legitimate economy, in which craftsmen are
licensed and employers and employees pay taxes. Then there's the
fast-growing underground economy, where millions of nannies, construction
workers and others are paid off-the-books, their incomes largely untaxed.
The best guess as to the size of the output of this shadow economy is about
$970 billion, or nearly 9% that of the real economy. It should soon pass $1
trillion.

What is largely fueling the underground economy, experts say, is the
nation's swelling ranks of low-wage illegal immigrants. -snip-very long.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.romanian/browse_thread/thread/1bb41897c2797fca/a037432e6e83160d?q=%22The+Underground+Labor+Force+Is+Rising+to+the+Surface%22&_done=/groups?q=%22The+Underground+Labor+Force+Is+Rising+to+the+Surface%22%252


19 posted on 01/09/2005 4:00:13 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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To: SandRat

"The only realistic solution is to slam the border door shut and round up all the trespassers and toss them out!"

Let's do it.


20 posted on 01/09/2005 4:03:55 PM PST by Max Combined
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To: Noachian
Let the hospitals bill the state of New Jersey for reimbursement, and if the state refuses to pay then shut the hospitals down. If the majority of people in New Jersey don't want to ban illegal immigrants from their state then let them pay higher taxes to care for them.

New Jersey has nothing to do with this. The democrats in Congress passed the EMTALA laws mandating all hospitals and doctors to provide free care for the invaders, oops I meant "immigrants." With not one cent of funding for all this "free" care.

21 posted on 01/09/2005 4:04:18 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Free Republic is 21st Century Samizdat)
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To: OldFriend

And jails.


22 posted on 01/09/2005 4:05:19 PM PST by Max Combined
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To: lindor
Why does "Guest Leeches" just sound so more honest than "Guest Workers"?

I prefer the term, 'invasive parasite', myself.


23 posted on 01/09/2005 4:07:54 PM PST by Viking2002 (Taglines? Vikings don't need no steenkin' taglines..............)
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To: Viking2002

Bump


24 posted on 01/09/2005 4:10:57 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

It's a huge problem. Legal immigration is also a problem. I wonder when people will wake up. Bush better get crackin' on this (though I doubt he will) 'cause Hillary is going to usurp this issue and it just might catapult her to victory in 2008. Many average citizens, most of whom are not politically astute, are sick of the government doing nothing about either one.


25 posted on 01/09/2005 4:11:24 PM PST by TAdams8591 (It ceases to be OUR charity when the GOVERNMENT gives it away!)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
""New Jersey hospitals generate about $15 billion in total annual revenue, so people may assume that $200 million would have little impact on the industry," "

What we are not being told is how much income hospitals and doctors derive from illegal immigrants who DO pay their bills?

What percent of illegals fail to pay compared to what percent DO pay.

How many doctors are making profits from regular office visits by illegals who were referred to them by the hospitals?

How many workers' comp payments are the hospitals taking in.

Federal law only requires that ERs stabilize patients, not continue treating them long term.

Houston has one of the largest illegal populations in the nation and the hospitals are doing very well. New ones are being built all over town and the medical center added another one million square feet last year.

The NJ hospitals are trying to make a case for being given more money by the federal government. They should study the way Houston does it instead.

26 posted on 01/09/2005 4:11:29 PM PST by bayourod (The states and cities with large immigrant labor pools are the prosperous ones.)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

"unless state or federal agencies step in and pay the bills."


READ: TAXPAYERS get screwed and pay the bills. The government has nothing until they take it from us.


27 posted on 01/09/2005 4:13:32 PM PST by shellshocked
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To: shellshocked

Here in westchester county, a local hospital has just closed down, I believe because all the illegal aliens who use the hospital have not paid thier medical bills.


28 posted on 01/09/2005 4:17:00 PM PST by gimmebackmyconstitution (join my alert list:Hillarysnightmare@hotmail.com)
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To: Clemenza

It's sad that in a year where there's a contested Republican gubernatorial primary in NJ, none of the viable candidates are making an issue of this. NJ is still home to a lot of culturally conservative Catholic Dems who might switch on this issue if they were made aware of it (Yes, they should KNOW already, but their kinda dumb even my sheeple standards). Unfortunately, neither Schundler nor Forrester (nor Christie, if he jumps in) even mention it.


29 posted on 01/09/2005 4:18:18 PM PST by BroncosFan ("If I'm dead, why do I still have to go to the bathroom?" - Thomas Dewey, 1948)
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To: FormerACLUmember
With not one cent of funding for all this "free" care.

That's right,and with no one to bill the hospitals are suppose to carry the cost alone. Liberal politicians never worry about where the money comes from when they pass Utopian bills.

But, suppose the hospitals billed the state, and the state refused to pay because it's a federal mandate? The hospitals would have no recourse but to close their doors just as any corporation would do.

If hospitals started closing up, politicians would go into their CYA mode, and the state would quickly come up with enough money to keep them open through larger taxes on the people of the state - in this case New Jersey.

30 posted on 01/09/2005 4:23:53 PM PST by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Further disconcerting is the fact that in NJ illegal aliens are, by law, entitled to Workers' Compensation. This includes full payment of medical bills, temporary disability payments of up to 70% of the state average weekly wage and a permenant disability award. I also have a relative in NJ who is an elementary school teacher making a sizable salary who informed me that not one of her 15 students is legally present in this country.


31 posted on 01/09/2005 4:24:15 PM PST by KeyesPlease
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To: Noachian

Actually hospitals ARE quietly closing up all over the place. Los Angeles is in big trouble as the invaders shut down hospital after hospital.


32 posted on 01/09/2005 4:25:54 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Free Republic is 21st Century Samizdat)
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To: SandRat

I'm totally with you on your message. It is time to get beligerant, obnoxious and unignorable. I've given niceness and constant civilized discourse it's chance and urged members to follow that course. Now that the Administration has made plain that they intend to run roughshod over sovereignty I declare they've made a declaration of war on the citizens who supply funding and power. "Props" to you for pointing out this inevitable state of affairs to me three years ago when I was a newbie. I'm reaching back with the knife and cutting off the offending/buggering member of government invasiveness. The time has come to demand accountability or know why not.

They work for us. not the other way around.


33 posted on 01/09/2005 4:26:34 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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To: bayourod

As one that's been involved in hospital administration since 1969 I can guarantee you that facilities such as HCA are not accepting nonpaying illegals. They are being shifted over to hospitals such as Ben Taub. Let the tax payers pick up the bill.


34 posted on 01/09/2005 4:29:11 PM PST by politicalwit (Import poverty...hire an illegal today)
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To: NewRomeTacitus; bayourod

Actually, I am just going to move to Houston and live near bayourod. Apparently it is some kind of paradise.


35 posted on 01/09/2005 4:29:13 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: 2ndreconmarine

From post: "a huge popular uprising - "

I hope so! It is the only answer when just about everyone in Washington D.C. ignores the voice of the people.




Just my opinion -


36 posted on 01/09/2005 4:29:30 PM PST by Pastnowfuturealpha
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Forgot to mention that in some cities in NJ realtors are showing rentals by the room. I personally know several individuals here illegally living in an appartment with either friends or strangers in similar circumstances. BTW, housing in NJ is among the least affordable relative to earnings in the country.


37 posted on 01/09/2005 4:29:35 PM PST by KeyesPlease
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To: KeyesPlease

Are you serious?


38 posted on 01/09/2005 4:31:28 PM PST by cassie22
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
This is a giant pile of STEAMING B.S. !!!

Fact: Fed rules require all emergency cases to be treated
Fact: Illegals rely on E.R. for primary care.
Fact: The E.R.s are pushing their inaction onto the state/Fed

The E.Rs are not required to treat all incoming patients - only the emergency ones - yet they continue to whine & go out of biz, rather than refuse the non-emergency cases.

39 posted on 01/09/2005 4:39:34 PM PST by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: cassie22

In NJ it is the law. The courts have made a public policy finding that making sure all emplyees are covered trumps other considerations. This drives up the cost of an employer carrying comp insurance, which is mandatory of all employers. One can make the argument that hiring illegals at lower pay offsets the higher cost of the insurance premium. And yes, some schools in NJ are highly burdened by illegal aliens. And yes, realtors are showing listings by the room. Seeing it first hand.


40 posted on 01/09/2005 4:39:54 PM PST by KeyesPlease
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
And according to the New Jersey Hospital Association (NJHA) in West Windsor, the burden will only increase unless state or federal agencies step in and pay the bills deport the criminals.

Can't deport a sick person? Let's not debate the issue. Deport them after they recover with the understanding it's a one-time thing?

41 posted on 01/09/2005 4:46:23 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: cassie22

Before we moved a house (small 2 bdrm) was purchased across the street by a man who brings in illegals. Soon 12 to 14 were there. They boarded up the 3 car carport with cardboard, metal, whatever. Some moved in there. They built 3 sheds under 12x10 (zoning law size). from junk. Some moved in there. Some left each day for work, I assume. The one woman and babies were on welfare. They all may have been on welfare because if you are not on the payroll paying taxes, you can claim no income.

It's a mess. Totally destroys a neighborhood in about a week. And that was Southern Oregon. I can't imagine LA or Arizona.


42 posted on 01/09/2005 4:46:34 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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To: KeyesPlease

I knew about the hospitals, and the schools, too. The realtor info astounds me! Are these rooms in private homes, zoned one family? Are they apartments or condos? I heard a term awhile back that I wasn't familiar with -"stacking'. It was an article about too many people in some communities living in two-families, one-family homes, etc. Owners were renting out attics, basements, etc. putting up sheetrock to divide rooms. Sounds like it's one in the same thing.


44 posted on 01/09/2005 4:52:20 PM PST by cassie22
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To: JustAnotherSavage

Aren't there occupancy code ordinances? This can go on and there's no recourse??


45 posted on 01/09/2005 4:54:52 PM PST by cassie22
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To: SandRat

Bravo, your Post #7.


46 posted on 01/09/2005 4:57:27 PM PST by Nea Wood (I considered atheism but there weren't enough holidays.)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

To be sensitive to various third world cultures, US hospitals need a separate wing designed to lessen the shock of modern medicine. A single dirty needle will serve an entire floor, windowless holes to the elements serve as nesting areas for birds. You eat what your family provides otherwise you'll starve near an empty janatorial closet. Filthy surfaces and untrained staff sit around doing nothing. In this way we can be sensitive to the needs of undocumented aliens using our hospitals.


47 posted on 01/09/2005 4:58:53 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: SandRat
When we complained way back here in the west we were called xenophobic bigots and racists. We were told that there was no way that the impact of a bunch of illegals could be that much. Couldn't we just all try to get along? They're just here looking for a job.

You took the words right out of my mouth, SR.

Coming SOON to a neighborhood near you, folks!

48 posted on 01/09/2005 4:59:23 PM PST by truthkeeper (Yeah, I have a 1998 signup date. So?)
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To: evolved_rage

And Juana and Josita get their free maternity care. And of course a life of welfare programs after that.


49 posted on 01/09/2005 4:59:28 PM PST by FITZ
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To: SpaceBar

Or just outsource health care like we're doing with all other jobs --- send the immigrants back home if they can't pay their bills --- and let them seek health care in Mexico where it is far far cheaper and not paid by American taxpayers.


50 posted on 01/09/2005 5:00:49 PM PST by FITZ
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