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Mel Gibson post-award press conference-"Kinship" with Michael Moore

Posted on 01/10/2005 10:33:48 AM PST by bushfamfan

Does anyone have the quotes that Mel Gibson apparently made after receiving his People's Choice Award in saying he felt a "kinship" with Michael Moore and attacking the war in Iraq?


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To: MaryJaneNC
Mel has been bashing our troops for a long time. Get a revelation people.

What? The guy who took on the media in We Were Soldiers? Do you have anything approaching a link to back up this nonsense or are you just free associating?

I wouldn't throw around the word "nutcase" if I were you, its obviously too applicable to you since this statement is so totally without basis.

251 posted on 01/10/2005 4:12:36 PM PST by PeoplesRep_of_LA (I can't believe I voted for this Cheap Labor Activist)
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To: bushfamfan

Slow down everybody! Since when did making a film expressing one's personal faith equal creating a position paper for political conservatism? And since when does making a religious film that appeals to a socially and politically conservative base require that the film's creator fall into line with the precepts of that particular group? Can't someone believe in Jesus and be against the Bush administration's geopolitical policies? As Bob Dylan once said, "just because you buy my records, doesn't mean I owe you anything." The Passion Of Christ was a movie, not a conservative screed.

And BTW, the fact that I happen to be a liberal doesn't mean that I don't value life. I do. None of us, conservative or liberal, should be required to buy into any particular set of doctrines. We've all got to become a little more flexible in our thinking, doncha think?


253 posted on 01/10/2005 4:28:53 PM PST by yankee doodle andy II
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To: All

I find it mystifying that so many seem to believe that Gibson's very Christianity is suspect if he opposes the Bush administration on Iraq. Does the majority on this site really believe that opposition to the Iraq war is incompatible with Christianity?! The Pope disagrees with you on that score.


254 posted on 01/10/2005 4:38:03 PM PST by ReasonableDude
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To: jesusluvver; Admin Moderator

Your a Nutcase Troll!

Please remove this horrible post!!!


256 posted on 01/10/2005 4:41:42 PM PST by missyme (tart)
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To: jesusluvver

How dare you ! Spawn of Satan get out of here!


257 posted on 01/10/2005 4:42:38 PM PST by missyme (tart)
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To: yankee doodle andy II
We've all got to become a little more flexible in our thinking, doncha think?

Typical liberal speak. I have my beliefs, why should I be flexible when I'm comfortable with them as they are?

258 posted on 01/10/2005 4:43:55 PM PST by Jean S
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA

Read The New Jerk Post 255!


259 posted on 01/10/2005 4:44:33 PM PST by missyme (tart)
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To: Seajay
"I suppose many of you think that "conservatism" equates with buying 100% into the ravings of Limbaugh and Hannity. Well, sorry - it does not, IMHO"

Methinks you're lost, trying to peddle that bilge on this forum: this FR, not DUmmyland. Do you need a link?

260 posted on 01/10/2005 4:54:19 PM PST by A Jovial Cad
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To: bushfamfan

You can be a conservative and oppose the war in Iraq.

Now, I will violently disagree with such a person, but you can be one.

He is not liberal.


261 posted on 01/10/2005 4:56:28 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: yankee doodle andy II
"We've all got to become a little more flexible in our thinking, doncha think?"

More analytical, maybe, and less subjective sometimes.

262 posted on 01/10/2005 4:59:09 PM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: yankee doodle andy II
"And BTW, the fact that I happen to be a liberal"

You're bragging about being identified with such a swinish ideology as liberalism? What dreary little online cesspool did you come crawling from to troll your obnoxious platitudes? Ten to one odds I'll bet you're a refugee from DUmmyland, or some similar intellectual fever swamp.

263 posted on 01/10/2005 5:03:27 PM PST by A Jovial Cad
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To: PleaseNoMore
So far no "entirety". Someone heard something on the radio or television and well, here you have chaos.

You mean the core kneejerkers that are found at both FreeRepublic and the Democratic Underground? There's a personality profile that's fundamental that goes way beyond politics and religion.
264 posted on 01/10/2005 5:06:39 PM PST by aruanan
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To: PleaseNoMore

I'd like to see some evidence as well.

It seems to me that the same person who made the accusations is the same one bumping the thread a fanning the flame.


265 posted on 01/10/2005 5:11:43 PM PST by Tempest (Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
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To: Seajay; Blzbba; RonPaulLives; dominic7; MacArthur
One can be conservative and still opposed to the war in Iraq.

I agree. But can one "like" the move F-911? That's at least got to be pushing it.

I don't think any conservative would agree with MM's portrayal as Saddam's Iraq as a nice place to live as has been reported.

266 posted on 01/10/2005 5:13:05 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: A Jovial Cad

I think you are confused. DU is where they march in lockstep, not FR.


267 posted on 01/10/2005 5:16:05 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: bushfamfan

Now where on earth did you hear that?! Or is this a "Get Mel" crusade?


268 posted on 01/10/2005 5:17:52 PM PST by Tempest (Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
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To: stands2reason
Not a bit--though you seem to be in a bit of a daze if you really believe that crap. There is a vast difference between "marching in lockstep" and posting bilge about the "ravings" of Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. You need to get a clue.
270 posted on 01/10/2005 5:19:46 PM PST by A Jovial Cad
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To: Trippin

That's from a very old article and has nothing to do with his appearance with Moore.


272 posted on 01/10/2005 5:21:27 PM PST by Tempest (Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
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To: ZZTOPP
"ZZTOPP--since 2005-01-11"

Who're you trying to kid?

273 posted on 01/10/2005 5:22:20 PM PST by A Jovial Cad
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To: stands2reason

Is Mel conservative? I believe he is pro-life and a traditional Catholic. Besides that, what is his stance on tax cuts, regulatory reform, tuition vouchers, enforcement of immigration laws, free trade, tort reform, etc. I have no idea. We should not assume anything about his politics from the fact he is pro-life and Catholic.


276 posted on 01/10/2005 5:34:56 PM PST by Teslas Pigeon
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To: A Jovial Cad

ZZTopp just FReepmailed me with the same message. I reported the troll.


277 posted on 01/10/2005 5:36:36 PM PST by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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To: bushfamfan

what a schlepp
look i can kind of understand what he was saying here - that they both were demonized from varying aspects etc etc but come on praising Michael Moore having a Kinship with him. IF he had said he could empathize a bit with Moore that is one thing but a Kinship give me a break


278 posted on 01/10/2005 5:37:02 PM PST by DM1
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To: fishark

Are you being sarcastic?


280 posted on 01/10/2005 6:20:15 PM PST by biblewonk (Neither was the man created for woman but the woman for the man.)
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To: sandyeggo

So would I. When reading these posts I thought of how the old "witch hunts" might have been. This sort of thing is really beneath conservatives. It is actually more like something that you would see over at the DUmp.


283 posted on 01/10/2005 6:38:38 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: PleaseNoMore
It is actually more like something that you would see over at the DUmp.

Yours is the voice of reason, carried on this thread. I was thinking the same thing.

See my post #63 on an earlier thread

285 posted on 01/10/2005 6:44:51 PM PST by kstewskis ( you have to have a mind before you lose it....)
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To: GregGinn
"What don't you people get? It is POSSIBLE to be a conservative and against the war, especially being against it after finding no WMD's. What is so unpatriotic about that!?"

Don't really know what you're raving about here, since I've said nary a thing about "pro-war/anti-war" positions vis-a-vi conservatives, at least not in this thread. But while we're on the topic of what is "POSSIBLE" for a "conservative" to believe, I must say you'd be much more credible if you weren't given to regurgitating leftist talking points about "finding no WMD's" and whimpering silliness about being considered "unpatriotic."

"I was for the war initially but when the lack of WMD's and the media changing the story daily about why we even went there, well shucks..color me CURIOUS about what's really going on! By QUESTIONING an administration of your chosen political affiliation, you are unpatriotic? I voted for Bush, that doesn't mean I'm going to blindly swallow everything he says. I don't do that for ANY leader. I mean, aren't conservatives based on saving money and lives when it comes to foreign interests?"

Ditto for this steaming pile of nonsense gussied up as some kind of confessional soul-searching of a "QUESTIONING" mind..I don't know who you think you're fooling, but it sure isn't me.

"This is all I will say on the matter in fears of being labeled a troll"

LOL. Well, if the label shoe fits....

286 posted on 01/10/2005 6:45:42 PM PST by A Jovial Cad
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To: sandyeggo
"I thought it was a powerful piece of filmmaking," Moore told AP Radio Sunday. "I'm a practicing Catholic, and you know I think Mel and I may be from different wings of the Catholic Church.

He's got that right!

288 posted on 01/10/2005 6:56:26 PM PST by workerbee
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To: fishark
"Didn't you know war is not a Christian value?"

Ha, ha, boy you're a funny one, you surely are. /sarcasm

Do you really think trolling through this forum with some kind of DUmmyland one-liner makes you a hero?

289 posted on 01/10/2005 6:56:30 PM PST by A Jovial Cad
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To: rwfromkansas
He is not liberal.

He's a nut. Gibson's an eccentric whose real personna was on display in Lethal Weapon.

290 posted on 01/10/2005 7:02:49 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: stands2reason

You said:

"I don't think any conservative would agree with MM's portrayal as Saddam's Iraq as a nice place to live as has been reported."

--Have you SEEN the movie?

--If you had bothered to SEE the movie, you'd realize that Moore wasn't portraying Saddam's Iraq as "a nice place to live" so much as he was showing what daily life was like in Baghdad before the war began. He had several images of people going about their daily business: children playing; people congregating in public places; people living their daily lives WITHOUT WAR AND WITHOUT BOMBS DROPPING ALL AROUND THEM.

--THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF MOORE'S IMAGES. He wasn't praising Saddam's Iraq as being a "nice place to live" or making a statement about the virtue of Saddam's regime, as much as he was showing that ordinary people live ordinary lives, and that those ordinary lives will be interrupted with incredible turmoil and perhaps even destroyed when and if a war comes, whether or not that war is "justified" or "righteous" or for some supposedly "better cause." The whole point was that Moore was showing that wars take their tolls upon innocent civilians who are caught in the cross fire.

--Only a rabidly partisan and paranoid wacko who has some screws loose would interpret those scenes in Moore's film as an endorsement of Saddam or the "wonderfulness" of Saddam's Iraq. That wasn't what Moore was saying, and those who assert such, in my opinion, are either complete idiots or liars.

--Next time, see the film before you form any opinions about it. Either that, or say, "I don't want to see the film. And because I refuse to see the film, I'm REALLY NOT QUALIFIED TO COMMENT UPON IT."

--Otherwise, to those people who are in-the-know, you will come off clearly as someone who really is speaking out of his ignorance, and really doesn't know what he is talking about, and your opinions will be discounted as such by them . . . especially when you comment upon Mel Gibson's "conservatism" or supposed lack of it because he may have said something about Moore's film.


291 posted on 01/10/2005 7:05:12 PM PST by EstesKefauver
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To: A Jovial Cad
I must say you'd be much more credible if you weren't given to regurgitating leftist talking points about "finding no WMD's"

It was the neo-Cons who screamed about WMDs for 18 months to justify the invasion. When it was apparent there were no WMDs the neo-Cons stopped mentioning them and then focused on human rights. That's when the leftists began screaming about no WMDs. Thank the Republicans for leaving that door wide open.

292 posted on 01/10/2005 7:23:18 PM PST by Grey Ghost II
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To: A Jovial Cad

Okay, this had got to be a joke. My harmless little post couldn't possibly have engendered such vituperation. Give me a break...... You're another liberal, right? Just horsing around? Either that or you're just nuts.

Seriously, if this was a sincere response, how does merely identifying myself as a liberal transmogrify into bragging? I'm not out to win any arguments in here. Maybe I'm just testing the waters a bit to see how long it takes before I get stomped to death.

So far, so good.

Actually, I work in the motion picture business in Hollywood. Though I am by no means wealthy, I have to cop to being among the so-called media elite I hear guys like Joe Scarborough complaining so much about. Personally, I have absolutely no objections to Mel Gibson making a faith based film about Jesus and the Passion. By any standards, the story of the Christ is a drama of enormous, almost unbearable dramatic power. I think Gibson's approach is vastly superior to films like KING OF KINGS which show little, if any, insight into the life, times and death of Jesus. While I personally preferred THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST, which dared to meet questions of divinity head on, I think an approach like Gibson's, where the audience is shocked into a higher state of awareness, has merit. Everytime I heard that all the liberals out here were screaming in protest over Gibson's film, I just sort of scratched my head and wondered who was making this stuff up.

Here's what THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST and FAHRENHEIT 9/11 have in common. Both are independently produced projects, completely devoid of the kind watering down that studio productions are famous for, created by deep feeling men with strong world views for reasons other than mere commerce. Both films seek to challenge their respective audiences. Both films were successful in pushing people's buttons. Both films are works of art which have stirred up enormous controversy.

There's no such thing as an innocuous work of art. All true art seeks to explore the human condition.


293 posted on 01/10/2005 7:31:29 PM PST by yankee doodle andy II
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To: EstesKefauver
Well, I HAVE seen the movie, and you're full of crap. The scenes you blithely dismiss as just "showing what daily life was like in Baghdad" is about as ridiculous as the rest of your unstrung babbling in defense of MM--and patently untrue.

Those scenes were deliberately juxtaposed with the "shock and awe" bombing bits to make Iraq appear as kind of a middle-eastern version of Belgium--a peaceful, prosperous country just going about it's business until the wicked old United States showed up raining death from the skies at the behest of an ignorant, warmongering administration. So the next time you want to make ridiculous claims of this sort, I'd recommend you at least clean up the blatant falsehoods.

By-the-by: "Estes Kefauver"? The late liberal Dimocrat Senator, publicity-hound, and professional idiot? Ha, ha. Surely you jest...

294 posted on 01/10/2005 7:35:04 PM PST by A Jovial Cad
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To: Grey Ghost II
"It was the neo-Cons who..."

Uh-huh...those dastardly Jews "neo-Cons" sure do rile you up, don't they? /sarcasm

I swear, every time I hear that phrase I immediately know what species of ugliness I'm dealing with, and what's really lurking beneath the pointy hat of the feigned outrage...

295 posted on 01/10/2005 8:03:23 PM PST by A Jovial Cad
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To: EstesKefauver; Neets; Darksheare; scott0347; timpad; KangarooJacqui; The Scourge of Yazid; ...

You said:

"I don't think any conservative would agree with MM's portrayal as Saddam's Iraq as a nice place to live as has been reported."

--Have you SEEN the movie?

--If you had bothered to SEE the movie, you'd realize that Moore wasn't portraying Saddam's Iraq as "a nice place to live" so much as he was showing what daily life was like in Baghdad before the war began. He had several images of people going about their daily business: children playing; people congregating in public places; people living their daily lives WITHOUT WAR AND WITHOUT BOMBS DROPPING ALL AROUND THEM.

--THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF MOORE'S IMAGES. He wasn't praising Saddam's Iraq as being a "nice place to live" or making a statement about the virtue of Saddam's regime, as much as he was showing that ordinary people live ordinary lives, and that those ordinary lives will be interrupted with incredible turmoil and perhaps even destroyed when and if a war comes, whether or not that war is "justified" or "righteous" or for some supposedly "better cause." The whole point was that Moore was showing that wars take their tolls upon innocent civilians who are caught in the cross fire.

--Only a rabidly partisan and paranoid wacko who has some screws loose would interpret those scenes in Moore's film as an endorsement of Saddam or the "wonderfulness" of Saddam's Iraq. That wasn't what Moore was saying, and those who assert such, in my opinion, are either complete idiots or liars.

--Next time, see the film before you form any opinions about it. Either that, or say, "I don't want to see the film. And because I refuse to see the film, I'm REALLY NOT QUALIFIED TO COMMENT UPON IT."

--Otherwise, to those people who are in-the-know, you will come off clearly as someone who really is speaking out of his ignorance, and really doesn't know what he is talking about, and your opinions will be discounted as such by them . . . especially when you comment upon Mel Gibson's "conservatism" or supposed lack of it because he may have said something about Moore's film.




REAL conservatives defend Michael Moore PING.


296 posted on 01/10/2005 8:25:49 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: bushfamfan

Jesus was a liberal...


297 posted on 01/10/2005 8:27:23 PM PST by John Allan Shephard
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To: stands2reason

Did this REAL conservative see Passion of the Christ?

If so...ping me to his/her review of same.


298 posted on 01/10/2005 8:30:19 PM PST by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: stands2reason; King Prout

I'm asking both of you (but there are others). Is there REALLY a necessity to ping the RKBA to EVERY little thing or thread on FR?

The pinging is inordinate to the necessity.


299 posted on 01/10/2005 8:32:36 PM PST by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
"I am proud to say it again, it is and it is easily going to be the most powerful experience I have ever had in a movie theatre."

Ditto bump. It was the most important movie I've ever seen.

300 posted on 01/10/2005 8:34:24 PM PST by Artist
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