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The battle al-Qaeda hasnít lost yet (Book Review)
Serbianna ^ | January 10, 2005 | M. Bozinovich

Posted on 01/10/2005 3:14:34 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic

Evan Kohlmann's book on Al-Qaeda in Bosnia will, in all likelihood, become an unspoken taboo by the journalists and the media because it renders many of them idiots, particularly the ones who have invested a vast effort in manufacturing a romantic image of Bosnian Muslims struggling for "national" independence and, perhaps intentionally, ignoring the Bosnian hospitality to the al-Qaeda seeking to establish a stronghold in Europe. With only one brief big media mention, Kohlmann's Al-Qaeda's Jihad In Europe: The Afghan-Bosnian Network is already showing signs, much like the Cees Wiebes' book on spies in Bosnia, that any research on al-Qaeda in Bosnia is a mortal violation of the manufactured wisdom and thus deserving of a blackout in the media.

'I found there was much sympathy for the Bosnian Muslims, especially among journalists; and sometimes I think there is an inclination to silence things that do not fit with their view of the war.' concludes Cees Wiebes who's Intelligence and the War in Bosnia 1992-1995 explores a vast body of facts, including confidential interviews with high-level diplomats and military personnel whose stories question many of the prevailing dogma about that war. 'Some people seem pissed off that I did not take sides over the war in Bosnia. I suppose I was more interested in reporting all of the facts.'

While Wiebes' book examines multinational archives and had an unprecedented access to them because of the diplomatic stamp his Dutch government gave to him (in the interest of finding the truth on Srebrenica), Kohlmann's effort is more modest! The author examines virtually every public document where the word Bosnia is even remotely mentioned and attempts to make a comprehensible whole. Kohlmann connects, superbly, all the al-Qaeda publicly known dots on Bosnia and makes a readable whole of it. His references and bibliography, for example, are just as interesting as the narrative they produce.

Narrative of the Bloody

Whereas Wiebes describes how Iran, and other Muslim states, helped bring al-Qaeda to Bosnia under the watchful eye of Clinton whose policy of 'no instruction' on this matter in effect approved of it, Kohlmann does not shy away from narrating what these blood thirsty killers for Allah actually did in Bosnia.

- In 1992 a 13-year old Croatian was stopped by three al-Qaeda killers who cut off the ring finger of the boy's right hand.

- An American surgeon from California found that irregular Muslim soldiers, including al-Qaeda... routinely performed crude, disfiguring, non-medial circumcision of Bosnian Serb soldiers.

- In 1993, al-Qaeda seized a Croat village of Miletici and proceeded to slaughter the villagers. One survivor, an 83-year-old Pavolic recalled the massacre, as 'their blood gushed out, it was collected in a bowl and ladled back over their heads as they died.'

- Videotapes circulate in Bosnia of the 'interrogation' of Serb prisoners that show them being held like animals and starved for days... Serb detainees were given knifes and ordered to kill each other... 'once they fell from wounds, Mujahadeen would decapitate them, with cleavers and chainsaws, and those who were still alive were forced to kiss severed heads that were later nailed to the tree trunks. Videos of these executions were sold in the store of the Zavidovici municipal "Cultural Hall."

Based in Zenica, the al-Qaeda members initially joined the Bosnian Muslim army on the ad-hoc basis but later were reorganized as a special, all-foreigners, unit within the Bosnian Muslim army. According to many sources cited by Kohlmann, the al-Qaeda was supported by the Bosnian government and was dully given Zenica's large Vatrostalna Factory building as a base for their training and other terrorist operations.

The city of Zenica was also a host to the unidentified inbound military flights that were loaded with military supplies for the Bosnian Muslims, thus presumably this al-Qaeda unit also received some of it. Cengic family that Wiebes describes as “mafia” with deep connections with Iranian intelligence controlled the airfield. Wiebes mentions anonymous Pentagon sources confidently citing General Wesley Clark as a concerned general on a phone daily with Bosnian Muslim general in Sarajevo going over intelligence debriefings on these matters as well as general daily military matters.

"The Dayton Accords had specifically mandated that the Bosnian government expel soldiers who were not of 'local origin'. In order to evade this provision, Izetbegovic's regime simply issued thousands of passports, birth certificates..." writes Kohlmann. According to one State Dept. official, the mujahadeen 'would get boxes of blank passports and just print them up themselves'.

Bosnian leadership was so confident in its aid and comfort to the al-Qaeda that the Muslim President Alija Izetbegovic arrogantly dismissed all of the Washington's pressure to remove the Jihadists. Illustrates Kohlmann: "... Richard Holbrooke was dispatched on an urgent diplomatic trip to Bosnia... Holbrooke met with [Muslim] President Alija Izetbegovic in Sarajevo to stress 'the absolute critical need' for the Bosnian government to remove any vestiges" of mujahadeen. Clinton suggested that Muslims would lose $200 million in aid if they don't and Izetbegovic nodded and understood the American concern.

By late 2000, the "Clinton administration was presented with a classified... report on the Bosniak issue; it warned of a problem of such size and scope that it 'shocked everyone'" so Albright was dispatched to talk to Izetbegovic and in 10 to 12 meetings with him, recounts a State Department official, he was told that "the entire U.S.-Bosnia relationship will change from friends to adversaries" if foreign mujahadeen is not removed out of Bosnia.

Izetbegovic later turned up in Zenica to preside over a Bosnian army military parade where "10,000 Bosnian troops and several allied 'elite units' (including foreign mujahadeen) marched in front of Izetbegovic and his commanders shouting Allahu Akhbar! and 'American tanks will not scare us!" Later, Izetbegovic wrote an angry letter to his senatorial friends, Bob Dole and Joseph Lieberman, that it is "incompatible with the moral principles of our people to expel the people [al-Qaeda] who fought on our side.”

So much for Clinton's attempts to remove al-Qaeda out of Bosnia.

"Ultimately," wisely concludes Kohlmann, "American and European demands for the Bosnians to cast out their former Arab-Afghan allies went substantially unfulfilled until even after 11 September 2001. By then it was already too late - generations of new foreign mujahadeen were given safe haven, training, financing and ideological inspiration by supposedly demobilized Al-Qaeda fighters hiding in Bosnia."

Two of the Bosnian mujahadeen in the 1995 Bosnian Muslim army were Saudis Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar. In 2001 they played an organizing role in the Sept. 11 attacks and died on the hijacked plane that crashed into the Pentagon.

Faulty Epilogue Despite the overwhelming evidence that the democratically elected Bosnian Muslim government gave aid and comfort to Al-Qaeda, Kohlmann capriciously attempts to disassociate this guilt by citing a rather inconsequential and often ridiculous statements that Bosnian Muslims are not guilty of shielding al-Qaeda because they are European and, for example, Bosnian Muslims drink liquor and want to have sex with European girls.

A typical ridiculous example of this whitewash is the quote at the beginning of Chapter 10 that cites a Bosnian Muslim soldier as saying "We are European. I love to drink and I like seeing women in mini-skirts." ... a condescending definition of the European culture as drunk perverts as much as it is ridiculous.

Author's choice of condescending quotes of these type are compounded by his choice of repetitive paraphrase of a "Balkan expert" Stephen Schwartz as a supposed final authority on the matters Balkan. Schwartz, whose wife was a prostitute, is an ex-Trotskyite Jewish convert to Islam now calling himself Suleyman Ahmad and has made solemn vows to Islimicize Bosnia and Kosovo: "As I have told others, the remainder of my years will be dedicated to service of Allah. I have personally pledged to do all I can to help rebuild the masajid of Bosnia and Kosova.” writes this Balkan expert who is also keen on concealing his Muslim identity from the public.

Despite the unfortunate that Kohlmann mars its potent analytical narrative with dubious analysts and inconsequential quotes, an astute reader should be able to conclude that Clinton chose a wrong ally in Bosnia, that he did not do anything to prevent the metastasis of al-Qaeda in Europe and his policy of 'no instruction' was in effect a pro-terrorist favor to Osama bin Laden whose terrorist network now includes the Balkans.

Richard Clarke's statement at the back cover of the Kohlmann's book should instead read: "The definitive account of a battle Al-Qaeda" hasn't lost yet, in "their attempt to add Bosnia and Kosovo to their Caliphate."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: alqaedabosnia; aserbapologist; balkans; bookreview; globaljihad; religionofpeace; serbpropaganda

1 posted on 01/10/2005 3:14:34 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic; Howlin

Interesting.


2 posted on 01/10/2005 3:22:53 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

Religion of peace.

Bosnia could just as easily be Cincinatti. Islam is a disease and should be wiped from the face of the earth.


3 posted on 01/10/2005 3:25:52 PM PST by PeterFinn (Liberals are a greater threat to the USA than are Islamofascists.)
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To: PeterFinn

And, it's a good thing that John Kerry wasn't elected because it all probability Richard Holbrooke would have become Secretary of State - who has already called for the independence of Kosovo.


4 posted on 01/10/2005 3:33:01 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

"Faulty Epilogue Despite the overwhelming evidence that the democratically elected Bosnian Muslim government gave aid and comfort to Al-Qaeda, Kohlmann capriciously attempts to disassociate this guilt by citing a rather inconsequential and often ridiculous statements that Bosnian Muslims are not guilty of shielding al-Qaeda because they are European and, for example, Bosnian Muslims drink liquor and want to have sex with European girls."

The Islamofacist mass murderers are the biggest hypocrites on the planet. Many of the 9-11 hijackers spent their last week at strip clubs in Florida and elsewhere. Islamofacists in Bosnia wanting to make naughty with women therefore is hardly evidence of a lack of Al Qaeda ties.


5 posted on 01/10/2005 3:36:57 PM PST by MikeA
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

clinton Legacy Bump!


6 posted on 01/10/2005 3:37:37 PM PST by F-117A
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

This is far more of a religious war than the US wants to admit.


7 posted on 01/10/2005 3:40:06 PM PST by NetValue (I would kiss a cobra before I'd trust a democrat.)
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To: MikeA
["Many of the 9-11 hijackers spent their last week at strip clubs in Florida and elsewhere..."]


That's right. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Mohammad Atta spend time in Las Vegas e.g, gambling etc.??
8 posted on 01/10/2005 3:44:24 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: PeterFinn

We in CINCINNATI will fight to the death before we let
the religion of peace take over. Luckily, we are armed to the teeth.


9 posted on 01/10/2005 4:24:01 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

nttttttttt


10 posted on 01/10/2005 4:24:53 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

When you look at the inaction of Clinton against the terrorists and the fact the only war he prosecuted with fervor was for the Muslims, you know what the Rats really are.


11 posted on 01/10/2005 4:25:15 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: NetValue

This is far more of a religious war than the US wants to admit.......


All wars with Muslims are. It's called Jihad.


12 posted on 01/10/2005 4:31:37 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: shubi

"We in CINCINNATI will fight to the death before we let
the religion of peace take over. Luckily, we are armed to the teeth."

Thank God Ohio has Americans like you!


13 posted on 01/10/2005 4:40:57 PM PST by PeterFinn (Liberals are a greater threat to the USA than are Islamofascists.)
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic
I've read this book, and the gist of it is that Al Qaeda had never heard of Bosnia before the media started reporting the Serb's crimes against the Bosnian Muslim population, that when jihadis came to Bosnia, they did so through Western Europe, mainly Italy and France, which kind of undercuts the claim that Bosnia was an entry point into Europe for Al Qaeda, and finally, the impact of these fighters, while being talked up by Kohlmann, is only illustrated by tactical operations where bunkers or hilltops were taken - with jihadi casualties being counted in the tens and twenties at most. Hardly war winning stuff, when anyone remotely familiar with the war knows that the Croat heavy weaponry transferred into Bosnia after their rout of the Krajina Serbs provided the strategic impetus behind the majority of the territorial gains realized by the Muslim-Croat alliance just prior to Dayton.

In short, Mr. Bozinovich is not only misrepresenting Kohlmann's work, his attempts to amend and change Kolhmann's conclusion only fall into line with the Serb nationalist habit of changing reality to suit their purposes.

14 posted on 01/10/2005 4:44:43 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite; LjubivojeRadosavljevic

Hopite--Your skimming skills leave much to be desired. The links between AlQuaeda and Bosnia have been confirmed ad nauseum. They were in Bosnia before during and after the war and stil operate freely in the region. They are responsible for the bulk of the atrocities and most reports mention Turkey as at transit point...those Muslim Turks...always looking the other way when it comes to drug and alquaeda traffic.

http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/alqaedasB.htm

http://prisonplanet.com/us_supported_al_qaeda_cells_during_balkan_wars.html

http://english.pravda.ru/yougoslavia/2001/10/30/19609.html

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/KLA-drugs.html


16 posted on 01/10/2005 7:10:17 PM PST by eleni121 (Four more years and four more again after that...)
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To: eleni121
You don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.

Obviously Al Qaeda was in Bosnia. But they weren't there before the Serbs invaded in April of '92 (go ahead, document your claim...), and do not operate freely, as attested to the arrest (you posted the Pravda link on the story - do you even bother reading what you link?) and subsequent extradition to Gitmo of those individuals we had asked the Bosnian government to seize.

And how can you be stupid enough to claim the jihadis were responsible for the bulk of atrocities when you know I'm going to throw Srebrenica back in your silly little face?

That's beyond stupid.

As to Turkey, I can only surmise you're trying to take a cheap shot, 'cause you're Greek, and taking shots at Turkey is what Greeks with a nationalist bent do.

I could have a more enlightening discussion on race relations with a Klansman - go away kid, you bore me.

17 posted on 01/10/2005 8:09:22 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

"But they weren't there before the Serbs invaded in April of '92 (go ahead, document your claim...),"
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You are as dense as I first believed.

Muslims were organized into terrorist cells in the region long before the 90s all during Tito's reign - training Bosnians/Croatian/Communists to help Palestinian terrorists and and long before that when Terrorist Muslims both during and after the Muslim Turk occupation were genociding the Christian Serbs.

http://www.balkan-archive.org.yu/politics/papers/civil_war/iran_springboard.html

As for my ancestral ethnicity and my posting concerning the genocides commited by Muslim Turkey - - you constantly bring that up Lord know why - I guess it is easier for you to use jive making personal attacks instead of using logic and facts. That is the way it seems with many of your pointless posts...


18 posted on 01/11/2005 3:58:43 PM PST by eleni121 (Four more years and four more again after that...)
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

The US made a disastrous mistake in supporting the wrong side in Yugoslavia...one that the West is still paying for with the lives of our soldiers and civilians fighting the Muslims.


The Bosnian Muslims owe their origins and their existence as a community only to the Muslim Ottoman Turkish occupation. In short, they are tied to the foreign occupation forces, to the foreign Islamic invaders.

With the expulsion of the Ottoman Turkish occupation forces, many Bosnian Muslims emigrated from Bosnia to Turkey and Anatolia along with the Turks because their identification was with Turkey and the Turks that created their identity.


19 posted on 01/11/2005 4:16:07 PM PST by eleni121 (Four more years and four more again after that...)
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To: eleni121
You are trying to prove that Al Qaeda was in Bosnia before the war.

Lemme know when you get something to bolster that claim, m'kay?

20 posted on 01/11/2005 6:32:06 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: eleni121
["The US made a disastrous mistake in supporting the wrong side in Yugoslavia...]


Yes, I know (and am well aware). BiH has become a breeding ground for Islamic fundamentalism.
21 posted on 01/12/2005 6:53:44 AM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic
BiH has become a breeding ground for Islamic fundamentalism.

No, it hasn't.

One only has to compare what's going on in Iraq with what's happened in Bosnia since our troops arrived in 1996 to know that your statement doesn't even past the most rudimentary of smell tests.

22 posted on 01/12/2005 4:43:15 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Al quaeda aka Islamic jihad has been in the Balkans since the Muslim Turks invaded the region over 600 years ago. In the latest round of muslim outrages, Bosnian Muslims brutally attacked their fellow Serb Christians after Tito the Croat Commie ate dust. Izetbegovich, the Muslim fundamentalist leader in Bosnia, helped organize the notorious Muslim Waffen SS "Handzar Division" during World War II responsible for thousands of atrocities.

And again I must ask the difficult question: are you as dense as your posts sugeest? Or are you a paid stooge?


23 posted on 01/12/2005 7:08:19 PM PST by eleni121 (Four more years and four more again after that...)
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To: eleni121
Look elini - if you can't back up your assertion that Al Qaeda was in the Balkans before Serbia invaded Bosnia, then be an adult and admit you're just talking smack - or, if you don't know what Al Qaeda is, try to find out, 'cause that last post was just embarrassing.

BTW, what's your definition of dense?

Anybody who won't buy your BS?

24 posted on 01/12/2005 7:16:04 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

My definition of a dense refers to an amateur like Hoplite and those like him who for whatever political/religious reasons cannot tolerate the truth.

You don't know much about Mohameddan terrorist history do you? It is so apparent from your - shall I say - inability to admit certain underlying premises about the Balkans.


25 posted on 01/12/2005 7:24:04 PM PST by eleni121 (Four more years and four more again after that...)
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To: eleni121
Ok, now that we've established your definition of dense, we can correct that problem by directing you to a dictionary.

Which means we can now try and figure out exactly what you think Al Qaeda is.

What's Al Qaeda elini?

26 posted on 01/12/2005 7:48:05 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Al Quada and Islam are synomymous. Their own leaders admit such.

Al-Qaradawi wrote:

"And Romia is the city we name Rome, the capital of Italy. The city of Herqel [Constantinople] was conquered in 1453 by the young Ottoman, aged 23, Muhammad Ibn Mourad, known by his nickname Muhammad the Conqueror. Nowadays, the conquest of the other city Romia [Rome] remains unfulfilled. Namely, Islam will return once more to Europe as a conqueror and as a victorious power after it was expelled twice from the continent....I assume that next time the conquest [of Europe] will not be achieved by the sword [i.e., war] but by preaching (daawa) and spreading the ideology [of Islam]....The conquest of Romia [Rome] and the expansion of Islam will reach all the areas where the sun shines and the moon appears [i.e., the entire world]....That will be the result of a planted seed and the beginning of the righteous Caliphate's return....[The Islamic Caliphate] deserves to lead the nation to the plains of victory.

AND from jihadwatch.org

Many passages of the Qur'an and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad are used by radical Muslims today to justify their actions and gain new recruits. No major Muslim group has ever repudiated the doctrines of armed jihad. The theology of jihad, which denies unbelievers equality of human rights and dignity, is available today for anyone with the will and means to bring it to life.

And you must have heard what OBL has said about what he want to do to the West...what mohammedans have been doing since their inception.


27 posted on 01/12/2005 8:16:13 PM PST by eleni121 (Four more years and four more again after that...)
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To: eleni121
Al Qaeda and Islam are synomymous.

Well there you go then - you don't have the first clue as to what Al Qaeda is. You might want to fix that before attempting to discuss the subject any further, m'kay?

28 posted on 01/12/2005 8:29:45 PM PST by Hoplite
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