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More trouble for Microsoft
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20050107.html ^ | January 7, 2004 | Cringely, RX

Posted on 01/10/2005 3:24:45 PM PST by Peelod

Carrying over from last year, I predict that Burst.com will beat Microsoft in their current lawsuit. But to avoid having to eat crow again over timing, let me put this in greater context. IF a trial actually takes place, as it is now scheduled to do this summer, Burst will easily win. Microsoft is at a disadvantage already as a bully. Burst will probably get Judge Motz to tell the jury that Microsoft deliberately destroyed evidence, and it doesn't hurt, either, that Burst is just plain right on all counts -- Microsoft DID violate their patents, DID violate Burst's non-disclosure agreement, DID attempt to illegally put them out of business, and DID attempt to control the market.

Of course, Microsoft might settle before trial, but at this point, I don't think that is likely out of simple arrogance on Microsoft's part. Microsoft is furious with Burst for the little company's continued survival, plus Microsoft is listening to the wrong lawyers on this one. So Burst will win on some or all counts ,and I expect the damage award to be in the billions. Of course, Microsoft will appeal. But the key difference between this case and other Microsoft cases is that once Burst wins, Real Networks and Apple Computer, both of which are also infringing Burst's patents (along with TiVO and a bunch of other companies), will immediately buy Burst licenses, throwing $100+ million into Burst's coffers and leading to everyone else EXCEPT Microsoft taking a Burst license, too. At that point -- if it goes that far and Microsoft is that stupid -- Redmond won't be able to risk not having a Burst license and will settle, too. Only by waiting so long Microsoft will have blown any number of advantages it could have had. Typical.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: antitrust; apple; bully; convictedmonopoly; criminalenterprise; gates; gotojail; internetexploiter; jailtime; macintosh; macs; microsoft; nda; patents; perjury; realnetworks; realone; realplayer; spoliation; theft; themicrosoftway; windows; windowsmediaplayer
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To: ThinkDifferent

In theory, only worthy applications are granted patents. In theory, copyrights expire. In theory, Democrats are prolife.


21 posted on 01/10/2005 4:08:53 PM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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To: ShadowAce

ping


22 posted on 01/10/2005 4:09:01 PM PST by KoRn
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To: conservativebabe
However, isn't Gates a lib?

He uses his billions to support infanticide (abortion) around the world though donations to the UN Population Control activities.

23 posted on 01/10/2005 4:10:26 PM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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To: JOAT

I'm using MS anti-spyware. I also have Spybot, AdAware and spyware Blaster, but the MS product cleaned a couple of annoying things the others couldn't remove.

It's too early to endorse the product, but it seems pretty good for a Beta.


24 posted on 01/10/2005 4:11:49 PM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: newzjunkey

Shameful. And from a father of, I think, at least two children.


25 posted on 01/10/2005 4:12:20 PM PST by conservativebabe
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To: conservativebabe
I love the rich!

This is gonna cost Bill "$39 Kazillion, billion dollars".

26 posted on 01/10/2005 4:14:18 PM PST by Peelod (Perversion is not festive)
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To: zahal724
"If MicroSoft figures out the technology, even if there is a patent, can MS use it? pardon my ignorance" [Somebody else got it first?]

No.

27 posted on 01/10/2005 4:14:25 PM PST by David
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To: David

You can reverse-engineer technology and use it, but to make it legal you have to jump through hoops...like you have to pass the specification from the discovery team to the implementation team with no contact between them.

It's quite exquisite, actually. This puts big companies (the smart ones, at least) at an advantage, since they can put out huge teams to 'pop the top' on competitors' products.


28 posted on 01/10/2005 4:17:29 PM PST by MIT-Elephant ("Armed with what? Spitballs?")
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To: Peelod

I try not to associate with the Media Lab...I worked there once and saw gallons of money flushed down the safety shower drain.


29 posted on 01/10/2005 4:22:34 PM PST by MIT-Elephant ("Armed with what? Spitballs?")
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To: Peelod
Why would anyone, even a lawyer, buy a bankrupt company.

For the potential lawsuit winnings.

30 posted on 01/10/2005 4:25:30 PM PST by mikegi
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To: Peelod

I hate to stick up for Microsoft, but Software patents are a really BAD idea. It's like being able to patent a plot-twist
in a new novel...and then nobody else could ever write such a story twist without paying you (or your heirs) tribute.

If there were no software patents Microsoft would be the worlds biggest loser... that alone is a great reason to abolish them :-)


31 posted on 01/10/2005 4:49:30 PM PST by Bobalu (This is not the tag line you are looking for.....move along (waves hand))
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To: Peelod
The legal part of this case is that MSFT pulled a bait and switch with the court over the retention of email and the searching of email related to a particular case.

Burst's position is that MSFT would appoint someone to be "in charge" of a particular project and thus that person's email would be searched in case of discovery; BUT the person who was listead as being in charge did not actually work on the project. Thus MSFT hid the actual people and their emails were never searched. If Burst is accurate, then MSFT is guilty of misleading the court, committing perjury, filing false affidavits, etc. Should it go to court and Burst win, there could be stiff fines and even jail time for the in-house lawyers.

32 posted on 01/10/2005 4:52:15 PM PST by ikka
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To: FreeAtlanta

> ... putting more free software out with the release
> of it's anti-spyware ...

They bought an anti-spy company, changed a few logos and
put it out as MS software. The cynical have also noted that
MS is using it as a tool to discover and turn pirate copies
of Windows. (I have no sympathy for the pirates, but this
is part of a longer term plan to foist subscription-based
licensing [assured revenue flow to Redmond] onto everyone.)

> ... heard they are going to release a free anti-virus package ...

You mean like they briefly did in DOS 6.2? How long ago
was that? Where have they left you in the meantime?

With MS, nothing is ever really "free".


33 posted on 01/10/2005 4:57:16 PM PST by Boundless
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To: Bobalu

One of the really cool things as far as software patents go, is the original Bell Labs patent on the UNIX setuid function was done as an electronic circuit, using logic gates. IIRC, for many years, you could only patent an "invention," not an idea, like a mathematical formula or algorythm.

Mark


34 posted on 01/10/2005 5:10:22 PM PST by MarkL (That which does not kill me, has made the last mistake it will ever make!)
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To: Bobalu
I hate to stick up for Microsoft, but Software patents are a really BAD idea. It's like being able to patent a plot-twist in a new novel...and then nobody else could ever write such a story twist without paying you (or your heirs) tribute.

It's not quite that simple...software patents include things like algorithms, new and novel ways of processing data - on the same plane as new and novel ways to process plastic, or silicon, or petroleum.

Inventors deserve protection and profit opportunity for broadening the scientific knowledge of mankind, software people included (software people especially, since the next wave of computation will fold hardware and software over one another in a way we haven't yet seen).

If there were no software patents Microsoft would be the worlds biggest loser... that alone is a great reason to abolish them :-)

Don't bet on it. More likely, Microsoft would be able to appropriate without cost anyone else's software, and since they have the best programmers, and probably the most of them, their capital advantage alone would let them flood the market with ripoffware.

35 posted on 01/10/2005 5:45:09 PM PST by MIT-Elephant ("Armed with what? Spitballs?")
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To: zahal724
If MicroSoft figures out the technology, even if there is a patent, can MS use it?

Only software patents issued to Microsoft are valid.

Software patents issued to other companies are invalid and can be ignored... by Microsoft.

Microsoft invented computers, don'tcha know?

36 posted on 01/10/2005 8:33:43 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Okay, on that issue, I'm not ignorant. Xerox invented personal computers but did not patent them because they did not realize the importance of them. I picked up on the sarcasm, but HA! I actually know something!


37 posted on 01/10/2005 9:28:33 PM PST by zahal724 (I own a lumber company? Want some wood?)
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To: newzjunkey
He uses his billions to support infanticide (abortion) around the world though donations to the UN Population Control activities.

Would you happen to know if he specifically targets the abortion-related activities or if it is more of a general donation? I don't like it either way, of course.

38 posted on 01/10/2005 9:34:01 PM PST by steve86
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To: FreeAtlanta
From the same article:
Microsoft's entry into the anti-virus and anti-spyware businesses will be a disaster for users. This is based on everything I know about Microsoft, having watched the company for almost 28 years. They will make a big fanfare, spend a lot of marketing dollars, but in the end, the company simply won't be able to keep up with the demands of keeping virus signatures current, which isn't the real point of this gambit, anyway. There is so much to this story and so much that I could write that I think I'll do so next week, and just move on to the next prediction.

39 posted on 01/11/2005 12:54:21 AM PST by D-fendr
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20030828.html

"Well, I don't know what was in those e-mails, though I'd be inclined to guess it was something along the lines of "Let's steal this cool stuff from Burst." But I do have a fairly good idea why Microsoft took the risk. It was a calculated risk. Burst.com was a little company about to run out of money at a time when dot coms were folding by the hundreds, their patents sinking from sight. If Microsoft bought a license from Burst, it would be propping-up the company and helping Burst to survive. But it wasn't in Microsoft's interest for Burst to survive because Burst's technology was cross-platform. If Burstware had run only on Windows, Microsoft might have felt inclined to buy a license. But Burstware also ran on Solaris and Linux, and that threatened to weaken Microsoft's plans to have Windows dominate digital entertainment delivery. It made more sense to let Burst die and then duplicate the technology based on what had been gained in those seven meetings and from materials acquired from Burst under a non-disclosure agreement. At least that's the way it looks to me, I could be wrong.

The only problem for Microsoft was Burst did not die."


40 posted on 01/11/2005 4:03:33 PM PST by Peelod (Perversion is not festive)
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