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The Vincent Foster Op-ed Contest (Redux)

Posted on 01/10/2005 6:20:19 PM PST by ml/nj

Wow! I cannot believe it. There are new Freepers who not only believe that Vince Foster committed suicide, but think that those who believe he was murdered are space cadets. (Link to post, I am reacting to.)

This prompts me to resurrect my Foster op-ed contest that I proposed years ago when I was posting to a closed list. (JimRob was also a poster there.) My problem with many of the things being posted then about Foster were that they were just to complicated to summarize briefly. I suggested that people post op-ed length articles that might cause casual readers to become interested enough to inquire further. This was my own (award winning) entry:

Who Killed Vince? - Ask Bill Clinton!

What can I say to convince you that you should at least ask questions about the death of White House Deputy Council, Vincent Foster?

What first aroused the suspicion of this former Clinton supporter?

In a word: Disinformation. Or what I perceived as disinformation.

In the initial days after the death everyone who knew Foster portrayed him as the "Rock of Gibraltar." Within days some started to ask why such an emotionally strong man would kill himself. Then, the official story switched abruptly to portray Foster as depressed, and the famous torn note mysteriously appeared as supposed evidence. It didn't ring true to me.

Why would disinformation exist at all? I'm not talking about honest errors made while gathering news. I'm speaking of deliberately presented false information. For example the torn note. It's a poor forgery according to leading British handwriting expert and Oxford scholar Reginald Alton. (see the London Times 10/26/95)

The obvious reason why disinformation exists is to obscure the truth.

What other disinformation is there? Well, let's start with when the President found out. The body and White House ID were found by 6:30PM. Hillary, in Little Rock, was called around 8:30. But we are told that the President, in the White House, didn't learn about the death until 9:55. I suspect he knew by 7PM. Yet two hours later he was on the Larry King Live show as if nothing unusual had happened. Why would he go on with the show in this manner? He certainly wouldn't have done so if he were surprised and stunned by his "lifelong friend's" death.

"Lifelong friend"? That's disinformation too. Foster grew up in Hope, Arkansas. Bill Clinton, 19 months younger, moved away from Hope to Hot Springs 75 miles away when he was six years old. They didn't grow up together. They didn't go to high school together. They didn't go to college together. They didn't go to law school together. What possible reason could there be for misrepresenting Bill Clinton's relationship with Foster?

There is a government publication that chronicles the words of the Presidents - speeches, remarks, news conferences, etc. It has not a single sentence in the 1993 Clinton volume in which the President speaks both the words =Foster= and =friend=. But then it doesn't have any sentences where the President connects the words =Foster= and =suicide= either. Instead it contains Clintonspeak like: "We'll never know what drew him away from us." Of course, Clintonspeak is just cleverly disguised disinformation.

What about the evidence? Surely there must be evidence that Foster committed suicide. Well, in fact, there is not. The official story is that he drove to Ft Marcy Park, walked into the woods, put a .38 in his mouth and pulled the trigger. But there was very little blood where his body was found. There were no bone fragments or brain matter on the ground; and the fatal bullet was never found. None of Foster's teeth were broken by the substantial recoil of the .38. The barrel of the gun had no blood on it. There really is no evidence for suicide - except for falsified evidence.

Why would the FBI falsify evidence? Who could direct them to do so? A man named Patrick Knowlton was in Ft Marcy Park that afternoon and witnessed suspicious activity by someone whom he now believes was acting as a lookout. The FBI report of the interview begins by misspelling Knowlton's name, obscuring his identity. It states that he did not see anything suspicious and would not be able to identify anyone he saw. But two years later a British reporter tracked Knowlton down and got the real story. Knolwton's memory of the lookout was sufficiently good that the London Telegraph commissioned and published (10/22/95) a police sketch of the man Knowlton saw. Furthermore, Knowlton is certain that Foster's car was not in the parking lot; which could be why someone falsified the Knowlton interview.

What about all the official investigations: Fiske, D'Amato, Starr? They each addressed the dubious production of the torn note, but none bothered to produce the opinion of a certified handwriting expert. Why should anyone think them more thorough or honest in their treatment of the other evidence?

What about the media? Why would they go along? The only US reporter who has attempted to investigate the Foster death was fired from his job at the New York Post. He had to take a job with a small paper in Pittsburgh. Every critic of this Administration is transformed into a liar. If you think that Clinton's defenders are at all vicious attacking those who point out sexual indiscretions of the President, it doesn't take much imagination to guess what might happen to those who ask questions about suspicious deaths.

If you're interested in what the news was during the immediate aftermath of Foster's death, check out my New York Times Index on Vincent Foster [Annotated].

And if you really want information (drawn only from government sources) check out Hugh Sprunt's Citizen's Independent Report (CIR).

"The thinking citizen who looks beyond your reports to review the medical, biographical and simply descriptive facts of the case will be left with the strongest impression this side of certainty that Foster was murdered." James Dale Davidson WSJ Letter 4/11/95

ML/NJ


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1 posted on 01/10/2005 6:20:19 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
just to complicated

just too complicated

I hate when I do that!

ML/NJ

2 posted on 01/10/2005 6:28:26 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

This prompts me to resurrect my Foster op-ed contest that I proposed years ago...This was my own (award winning) entry...

So you started your own contest and awarded yourself one of the prizes? Move over, Hubris, a new sherrif is in town!


3 posted on 01/10/2005 6:28:55 PM PST by Sterrins
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To: Sterrins
a new sherrif is in town!

Welcome (Since Jan 6, 2005) to FR!

Why don't you see if you can do better?

ML/NJ

PS "Award winning" was a bit tongue-in-cheek, but I guess you couldn't tell.

4 posted on 01/10/2005 6:35:36 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

I still believe he DID commit suicide --- in hillary's bedroom!

Then he was packed up and shipped to the park.


5 posted on 01/10/2005 6:35:42 PM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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To: ml/nj

PS "Award winning" was a bit tongue-in-cheek, but I guess you couldn't tell.

No, I'm generally regarded as dense.


6 posted on 01/10/2005 6:36:50 PM PST by Sterrins
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To: ml/nj

There are far too many contradictions and discrepancies in the official accounts for anyone who has looked into the issue to believe that Vincent Foster committed suicide where he was found in Fort Marcy Park.

My own view is that the odds are about 99% that he was murdered, and maybe 1% that he committed suicide in the White House and was bundled out to the park to avoid an embarrassing scandal. But that's much less likely than murder.

I would suggest beginning with Hugh Sprunt's "A Citizen's Independent Report on the Death of Vincent Foster," then go on to read the series of articles by Chris Ruddy and the book on clinton by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard.

There's plenty more, but that should be enough to convince any rational person that this business smells to high heaven.

Vincent Foster is not the only clinton murder victim, either. There's also Ron Brown and everyone on the plane with him, and dozens or possibly hundreds of others. Clinton grew up as a member of the Dixie Mafia and spent a good deal of time and made a great deal of money as a drug trafficker. Murder came easy to him.


7 posted on 01/10/2005 6:37:49 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: ml/nj
The motive is now clear! Willie was skimming big chunks of Iraqi oil voucher money through Marc Rich and others and consorting with Saudis, OBL and Iraqis. Willie was making big bucks. Vince was involved and finally decided that this was to filthy even for Willie and tried to get out.

Monica was only diversion to keep an already compliant press away from too much examination. The same FBI investigators who DIDN'T lie about Willie's DNA faked the evidence on Vince.

Not even Willie, however, could have seen that his playing footsie with OBL and Saddam for cash would turn into 9/11 as it did. Wilie, Vince, Hubbell and others all took care of the evidence at this end. The kerrorists were not as prudent so, maybe, some day, we'll prove Willie's involvement using captured documents.

9 posted on 01/10/2005 6:39:40 PM PST by Tacis (Democrats! - When You Need America Blamed Or A Pool Peeed In!!)
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To: steplock
I still believe he DID commit suicide --- in hillary's bedroom!

I hope you are not being serious. (I consider murders ordered by the President of the United States a serious matter.) Hillary's bedroom was in the White House private quarters, and Hillary was not there. (She was on the way back to DC from Hawaii via LA and Little Rock.) And if Foster did kill himself somewhere else, why didn't the body movers also move the implement of death (gun, knife, rope whatever) to Ft Marcy Park?

ML/NJ

10 posted on 01/10/2005 6:43:18 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

Hugh Sprunt's CIR is a wonderful piece of work. Has it been pinned down by credible source that Vince made trips to Switzerland and came back the same day?


11 posted on 01/10/2005 6:45:39 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: steplock
Well since I missed the original....

My cousin has a "job" in DC. He can't tell me what he does, or he would have to kill me. He loves to tell me that. LOL

Anyway, he was very familiar with the Foster cover up as he puts it.

He was privy to the real info,(before it, the real evidence disappeared,) and said there was no way in hell from the evidence that Foster committed suicide.

Also being one of his best friends was one of the park police on the scene, and given my cousin's security clearance, he got the first hand account before the cover up started. He was so appalled by the clinton machine, he re registered as a Republican. He had been voting conservative for years, but decided to make it official after this horrible event.

Oh and another tidbit from him about the clintons. He said right after clinton took office, he and the spawn of satan had just gotten into the presidential limo, when bill started screaming at hill as she lit a cig. She used the typical DU language to humiliate him in front of the SS. ;) My cousin is a treasure trove of info. I love when Christmas comes, I can usually get some good info from him.

FYI footnote, My cousin has a top security clearance.

12 posted on 01/10/2005 6:50:30 PM PST by Repub4bush (Hey DU.......Saint Rove....Patron Saint of all your votes!)
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To: 185JHP
Has it been pinned down by credible source that Vince made trips to Switzerland and came back the same day?

The Switzerland trips story was almost certainly disinformation. Someone (maybe Orlin Grabe, or maybe he just repeated it.) posted ascii text purporting to be American Express charge records from Foster's account for airline tickets to Switzerland. Anyone can type anything they want to and post it. The folks who created these records didn't even bother to make up any other charges (hotel, restaurant, gift) that might normally occur when one travels to Europe.

ML/NJ

13 posted on 01/10/2005 6:51:52 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
He commited suicide by his another's hand.

My Op-Ed.

FMCDH(BITS)

14 posted on 01/10/2005 6:52:35 PM PST by nothingnew (Kerry is gone...perhaps to Lake Woebegone)
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To: Baynative

It is my understanding that the video of the parking lot has film of Foster's car, and then when the next tape picks up his car was gone. There is one surveillance video that is missing. Conveniently, there is no video of Foster's car leaving the parking lot. I certainly believe he was murdered, but I don't think ol' slick did it. I think Hillary had a hand in it. She is much more ruthless and power hungry than Bill. He was just a dumb schmuck who got pushed into the office by his b**ch of a wife. There are many people in their wake who have ended up dead. How many people do each of us know who died of unnatural causes? Knowing those damned Clintons was almost as unlucky as knowing the woman on "Murder, She Wrote".


15 posted on 01/10/2005 6:59:23 PM PST by teenyelliott (Why do we give Middle Eastern countries billions of dollars?)
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To: Cicero

The book "Ron Brown's Body" is excellent.


17 posted on 01/10/2005 7:07:13 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: nothingnew
Does anyone know if the revolver he "allegedly" used was a single or double action? The reason I ask is that one of the park police reported that Foster's thumb was lodged in the trigger guard and he had to cock the hammer to get it out.

That is possible for a double action but not for a single.

18 posted on 01/10/2005 7:09:04 PM PST by OSHA (I wish Huck Finn's last name was Fillary.)
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To: Baynative

One theory has it that Vince left the White House rolled in a rug, which made it difficult for him to sign out (and he wasn't exactly camera-ready). Helen Thomas, of all people, noted out loud that a rug was missing. If memory serves, carpet fibers were found all over poor Vince. He coulda been a contendah.


19 posted on 01/10/2005 7:09:11 PM PST by OESY
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To: Tacis
Willie was skimming big chunks of Iraqi oil voucher money through Marc Rich and others and consorting with Saudis, OBL and Iraqis.

I seem to remember that Foster was making fairly frequent trips to Switzerland. Do I remember correctly?

20 posted on 01/10/2005 7:09:53 PM PST by expatpat
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To: ml/nj

Thanks.


21 posted on 01/10/2005 7:11:05 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: expatpat
I seem to remember that Foster was making fairly frequent trips to Switzerland. Do I remember correctly?

See my reply at #13.

ML/NJ

22 posted on 01/10/2005 7:13:49 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

Well, one part of proving a murder is establishing a motive. What possible motive would Clinton and his minions have for killing Vincent Foster, who had no history of disloyalty?


23 posted on 01/10/2005 7:14:17 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: ml/nj

Vince Foster's death ONLY ONE of soooooo many mysterious deaths during the Clintonista era.


24 posted on 01/10/2005 7:14:39 PM PST by Paperdoll (on the cutting edge.!)
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To: ml/nj
Memorialized in song several years ago. For the record, I believe that Vince killed himself and his body was moved so the FBI would not seal his office. Among the things that made him despondent was the tainted blood scandal that was killing innocent victims. As the Clinton's attorney, Vince had a lot of covering up to do for the evil couple. In about 1994 or 1995, I met Patrick Knowlton in L.A.

MIDI - BATTLE OF NEW ORLEANS - scroll down for MIDI

I'm stuck in traffic and really had to pee
And can't believe this kind of thing is happenin' to me
I'm lookin' for a restroom but there isn't one to find
So I know that trouble's brewin' and I'm really in a bind

I tensed all up but I knew I wouldn't make it
That mean old Mother Nature is the one I've often cursed
I'd hold my breath but knew I couldn't fake it
If I'm not pullin' over soon my bladder's gonna burst

A mile down the road I think I might a seen a sign
And I think it said McDonalds and to me that's mighty fine
I'm shakin' all over, people thought it was a dance
But there's no way in Hades that I wanna mess my pants

I tensed all up but I knew I wouldn't make it
That mean old Mother Nature is the one I've often cursed
I'd hold my breath but knew I couldn't fake it
If I'm not pullin' over soon my bladder's gonna burst

The pain was growin' so I'm pullin' over quick
I just gotta find a place because I think I'm gettin' sick
I saw "Ft. Marcy" and I started yelling "hark!"
There will be a tree and I will just go tinkle in the park

I tensed all up but I knew I wouldn't make it
That mean old Mother Nature is the one I've often cursed
I'd hold my breath but knew I couldn't fake it
If I'm not pullin' over soon my bladder's gonna burst

Well, I jump from my car but there's some fella watchin'
He's glarin', I know that he's as mean as he could be
I quickly walk to a tree by a cannon
I didn't want no trouble I just had to take a pee

I'm zippin' my zipper and I'm getting' in my car
But the thug is there, I'm wonderin' if I'll be gettin' far
I saw two cars that later I was able to describe
I'd tell the truth, I'd tell it straight and never take a bribe

I tensed all up but I knew I wouldn't make it
And mean old Mother Nature is the one I've often cursed
I'd hold my breath but knew I couldn't fake it
If I'm not pullin' over soon my bladder's gonna burst

Then harassment was startin' by some guys a packin'
They're watchin', they're bumpin' me wherever I would go
'Cause that's the time that they dumped poor ol' Foster
Those guys had done him in that day, I didn't even know

25 posted on 01/10/2005 7:14:51 PM PST by doug from upland (THE RED STATES - celebrate a great American tradition)
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To: doug from upland

Yes, poor Vince. Certainly got involved with the wrong gang...shot 12 times in the head (HAR)...definitely a suicide. NO DOUBT.....


26 posted on 01/10/2005 7:17:46 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: ml/nj
I know troopers Patterson and Perry, and helped L.D. Brown with a book tour a several years ago in Los Angeles. Perry was on duty in the governor's mansion in Arkansas when the call came from Helen Dickey that Vince killed himself in the parking lot of the White House. That all cwas right about the time that the body was discovered. Clinton learned about it a few hours later while on the IS LARRY KING STILL ALIVE show. Dickey lied under oath in front of the D'Amato committee and claimed she didn't learn about the death until about 10pm. I made several calls to D'Amato's office and screamed at them for not calling Perry and Patterson to testify. They were read and willing to testify but D'Amato refused to call them. Had they testified, the Clintons would have been finished. Lisa Foster would not allow Hillary to view the body. Satan's Daughter had to stay out in the hallway. Gee, I guess Lisa knew what had been going on.

There was an old post on FR which had the affidavits from Perry and Patterson about this event.

27 posted on 01/10/2005 7:20:03 PM PST by doug from upland (THE RED STATES - celebrate a great American tradition)
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To: Clintonfatigued
What possible motive would Clinton and his minions have for killing Vincent Foster, who had no history of disloyalty?

Some say there is only one way to leave a criminal organization.

I believe that Vincent Foster was an honest man who reluctantly agreed to come to Washington. He couldn't abide what he saw going on and wanted to leave.

ML/NJ

28 posted on 01/10/2005 7:20:55 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: Clintonfatigued

Same motive as the Ron Brown murder...........dead men tell no tales.


30 posted on 01/10/2005 7:28:10 PM PST by MamaLucci (Libs, want answers on 911? Ask Clinton why he met with Monica more than with his CIA director.)
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To: ml/nj

I wonder who could have done more damage to the clinton's presidency Vince Foster or Ron Brown? Jimmy McDougall didn't stand a chance, but you have to respect him for trying to set the record strait. From the little airport in Mena all the way to Beijing the clinton's knew how to corrupt power.


31 posted on 01/10/2005 7:33:20 PM PST by TBall
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Wasn't there a small caliber bullet wound to Foster's neck?

I followed the drug trafficking reports very closely. The final allegations were that Clinton was involved in laundering the money from the sales of the Mena drugs through the Arkansas Development Fund. I remember hearing a question from Sarah McClendon at a press conference recorded by Ralph Nader. Clinton was asked if he was involved in bringing drugs into the country through Mena. His reply was "I was not involved with bringing drugs into the country, that was a Federal operation". This aired on Chuck Harder's talk show in 93 or 94.
32 posted on 01/10/2005 8:04:38 PM PST by Ivan
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To: Baynative
I couldn't help but wonder why not one of those cameras captured an image of Vince Foster leaving the building or the property on the day he was murdered.

Others have wondered the aame thing, Baynative.

One of our illustrious Freepers, PJ-Comix, did a cartoon strip in 1998 where Lt. Columbo visits Bill Clinton in the Oval Office and -- (Just one more, thing, Mr. President . . ) -- it ended with this very topic. In the fictional encounter, Slick explains that the video was "missing."

The cartoon version seems to have disappeared from the Web. However, PJ posted the script on FreeRepublic a couple of years ago.

It's always bothered me that the Republicans, who stood to benefit the most by exposing wrondoings in the Clinton administration, never took the bull by the horns and conducted a full-blown inquiry into exactly what happened to Foster. Instead, they dismissed anyone who had doubts on the suicide as conspiracy theorists. Reed Irvine was many things, but one of them was not a conspiracy theorist. (But it probably makes me a conspiracy theorist for wondering why the Republicans didn't take an active interest in getting the truth out of the White House, on this and other matters. That's OK. I'm used to it.)

33 posted on 01/10/2005 8:10:25 PM PST by logician2u
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To: PJ-Comix; backhoe

Flagging this to your attention.


34 posted on 01/10/2005 8:12:10 PM PST by logician2u
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To: Repub4bush
FYI footnote, My cousin has a top security clearance.

Not for much longer if such information keeps appearing here...

35 posted on 01/10/2005 8:19:42 PM PST by Experiment 6-2-6 (Meega, Nala Kweesta! It appears that SABERTOOTH got himself suspended. Again. ????)
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To: ml/nj

I suspect that Foster was killed rather than committed suicide. However, that is speculation based on what has been presented to the public. There is a difference between speculation and bald assertions made without a foundation in fact or reason. Some of these "Vince Foster was murdered" threads contain accusations that do nothing but give the DUmmies ammo to use. Interpreting cryptic messages with the Bible Code and other such nonsense has the same credibility as the horoscopes posted at The Onion. It reminds me of the leftist whackos who referred to Reagan as the anti-Christ because each of his names contained 6 letters (Ronald 6 Wilson 6 Reagan 6). At some point, you have to question the credibility of those who base their claims on nonsense.


36 posted on 01/10/2005 8:57:36 PM PST by peyton randolph (CAIR supports TROP terrorists)
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To: Experiment 6-2-6

LOL, I didn't give away anything major trust me. What I told was common knowledge in certain circles ;)


37 posted on 01/10/2005 9:24:02 PM PST by Repub4bush (Hey DU.......Saint Rove....Patron Saint of all your votes!)
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To: ml/nj

Hmmm, you don't hear a lot about Chelsea's father these days.


38 posted on 01/10/2005 9:51:58 PM PST by Chu Gary (USN Intel guy 1967 - 1970)
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To: Chu Gary

I will go to my grave believing Hillary ordered Foster to be killed. She was convienently out of town. I believe Foster said the media will find out certain information and they would be ruined. Hillary said "Now Vince, we've been through a lot worse than this. Wait until I get back in town and we will work it all out." She hung up the phone in Arkansas and then called the persond who killed him. She ordered Fosters killing. Likewise Brown was shot in the head with a 45. AS I remember there were about 25 other people who died in the aircraft. They were sacrificed. But Brown was the target.


39 posted on 01/10/2005 10:08:46 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (p)
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To: teenyelliott

WHy do you think Hillary went out of town?

GOTZ TO HAS AN ALIBI.


42 posted on 01/10/2005 10:38:37 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (>The government of our country was meant to be a servant of the people, not a master.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
What possible motive would Clinton and his minions have for killing Vincent Foster, who had no history of disloyalty?

Cause he got 'religion'.

If you were BC and wife, and you were taking bribes from the oilforfood/weapons scam, you could not have your bagman turn over a new leaf.

You cannot 'quit' the organized crime racket.

43 posted on 01/10/2005 10:42:03 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (>The government of our country was meant to be a servant of the people, not a master.)
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To: Baynative

would that be "Brugh Foster" ? something about driving a new car and the brakes failing? I also seem to recall that Vince had made future plans about buying a boat?


44 posted on 01/10/2005 10:54:10 PM PST by isom35
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To: ml/nj
Here is the BEST Vince Foster ARTICLE ever written by your (not so) humble correspondent. It places the facts of the Foster "suicide" before you in an entertaining manner in such a way that it is understandable. How I came up with this idea is another story which perhaps I'll post later. Anyway, please check out COLUMBO: CASE OF THE FOSTER "SUICIDE".
45 posted on 01/11/2005 3:03:05 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: Baynative

First, how do you know that? Evidence had a way of disappearing.

Second, could he have been rolled after the parking lot incident?


46 posted on 01/11/2005 5:22:09 AM PST by OESY
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To: ml/nj

BUMP!


47 posted on 01/11/2005 2:35:01 PM PST by Pagey (Hillary talking about the bible,is as hypocritical as Bill carrying one out of church for 8 years)
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To: Baynative
I asked that recently and was told that when his son got older he found some papers detailing his father's history and he became very interested in finding the truth only to suddenly run of the road and die when he hit a tree.

I believe that was a stepson.

48 posted on 01/13/2005 2:26:28 PM PST by murdoog
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To: Paperdoll

I like the noun "Arkancide" that cropped up around them.


49 posted on 03/10/2005 7:40:00 AM PST by mec1
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To: ml/nj; Sterrins

Your "award winning op-ed" is like my "world famous lasagne or chocolate cake." :-)

Seriously, the entire Foster episode completely lacks a shred of evidence of suicide. And don't forget Ron Brown with a bullet hole in his head after the plane crash, or the retired general's mysterious death - etc., etc., etc..
Sadly, "naivete" lives, to put it kindly.


50 posted on 03/13/2005 11:39:44 AM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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