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Posted on 01/11/2005 12:37:26 PM PST by Rennes Templar
If you're ticketed by Green Bay police, you'll get more than a fine. You'll get fingerprinted, too. It's a new way police are cracking down on crime.
If you're caught speeding or playing your music too loud, or other crimes for which you might receive a citation, Green Bay police officers will ask for your drivers license and your finger. You'll be fingerprinted right there on the spot. The fingerprint appears right next to the amount of the fine.
Police say it's meant to protect you -- in case the person they're citing isn't who they claim to be. But not everyone is sold on that explanation.
"What we've seen happen for the last couple of years [is] increasing use of false or fraudulent identification documents," Captain Greg Urban said.
Police say they want to prevent the identity theft problem that Milwaukee has, where 13 percent of all violators give a false name.
But in Green Bay, where police say they only average about five cases in a year, drivers we talked with think the new policy is extreme.
"That's going too far," Ken Scherer from Oconto said. "You look at the ID, that's what they're there for. Either it's you or it's not. I don't think that's a valid excuse."
"I would feel uncomfortable but I would do it," Carol Pilgrim of Green Bay said.
Citizens do have the right to say no. "They could say no and not have to worry about getting arrested," defense attorney Jackson Main said. "On the other hand, I'm like everybody else. When a police officer tells me to do something, I'm going to do it whether I have the right to say no or not."
That's exactly why many drivers are uneasy about the fine print in this fingerprinting policy.
Police stress that the prints are just to make sure you are who you claim to be and do not go into any kind of database; they simply stay on the ticket for future reference if the identity is challenged.
But seriously, I would refuse. God knows how many records are out there on me already, and I'm a law abiding citizen.
I'm not sure that having as many fingerprints on file as possible is a bad idea. I don't see giving the police my fingerprint as being a violation of any civil rights.
You want a finger. I got one just for you!
They can verify using the signature. They don't need a finger print. It's just a scam to obtain more personal info.
lol
Another step down the slope. I'm beginning to wonder what the point of fighting it is anymore. No one seems to care. Let's just get it over with and put GPS tracking devices on everyone and declare martial law. At least that would be honest.
Give 'em a print, next thing you know they'll be taking the whole finger. For "DNA testing", yeah that's it.
There is a story of the police in the small town of Truro on the Cape asking all residents to 'voluntarily' submit to a DNA sample to solve a several year old brutal murder.
I think it was from a MASH episode. Hawkeye was the physician for the day and was seeing a bunch of locals through out the day. Each time one came in, they gave the name "Kim Luck". At around the fifth one, Hawkeye turns to Radar and says, "Kim Luck? This is the fifth one today." Then, turning to the local, he asks, "Can you identify yourself?" The local responds with a big smile patting his chest, "This is me!". Hawkeye ends the scene with, "This must be my Kim Lucky day."
Doesn't the drivers license have a photo on it?
yup......again another example of not all the whacko BS happens in Calif..........
Then you wouldn't be speeding so you have nothing to worry about.
I call Barbara Streisand...
In Cali, you have to have your fingerprint taken just to get a license.... If they wanted a Database, seems this model would be far more effective.
you can't refuse, you are essentially under arrest during a traffic stop.
Well of course there's that too. Although it sounds like they don't require anyone to show proof of identity for some reason.
Here in Ohio you can be ticketed for not having your license with you while you're driving.
I think the 4th amendment might have something to say about this. Just so I understand this,...they will pull you over for any pretext and you have to submit to being fingerprinted, but they will not do the same for Arabs coming in to our airports. I do not believe the Bill of Rights is a suicide pact among law abiding people, but where in the constitution does it say they can do this. Perhaps the next thing the will want to do is to photocopy your latest bank statement. Doesn't do any harm,right? Why is the photograph on the drivers license not adequet. This is not a trivial thing. Why not require a urine test on everyone they stop? It doesn't do any harm. This should not be allowed to stand.
how about your DNA?
Not true. You aren't under arrest until you've been read your miranda rights.
If you've never been fingerprinted before, and the officer is fingerprinting you to verify that you are you, what are the checks and balances? That is, if there isn't a prior fingerprint to compare to the new fingerprint, how do they know you are you?
It's a scam to get your DNA.
Hmmm. I would think it would be okay to submit reports of the DNA identification, but not the DNA itself . . . which could be planted. (Okay, that makes sense to me. But, then again, I was a history major, not anything to do with hard science. LOL)
I've never been in an accident or speeding in 40 yrs of driving but a friend got caught in a speed trap once and swore he wasn't speeding. But I'm sure that could never happen to you or me....
Banks have been engaged in government mandated warrant-less surveillance of customers for over 25 years now. .
Doubt it. Everyone's innocent. Just ask them.
The technology isn't ready yet. Give them another 2 - 3 years.
Or perhaps they'll wait until after the '08 elections.
If a cop were to pull me over for speeding and ask for my finger.....he/she might not get the finger they were hoping for.
(2) Make sure you gove them a current credit reoprt with all your CC numbers -- front and back of card and your SS too.
Being as you don't feel violated.
How about a little DNA swab. Won't take but a second and while we're at it we'ed like a urine sample also. Come on Bluegrass, where does it stop? Just because some bureaucrat in a uniform demands something doesn't mean he's doing it for the public good. The public good would be better served by observing the Bill of Rights than ramming these police state tactics down our throats under color of law.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
No, you are being briefly detained (45 minutes max) on a reasonable articulable suspicion which may or may not develop into probable cause for an arrest.
can you refuse to be fingerprinted?
Ditto for Texas.
Sure.
If the police have your fingerprints, they can "find" them at the scene of a crime. Or on the murder weapon. Remember, don't give the government any power you wouldn't want your worst enemy to have.
That is what the picture on the ID was for.
Seriously though in FL when being cited and the person does not have an ID (ie DL not carried when driving citation) the officer has to take a fingerprint or the case can be dismissed. (of course nobody actually runs the thumb prints.)
This particular situation seems just an excuse to collect fingerprints. Today its prints, tommorrow DNA.
Do you honestly think that government agencies don't have these already? LOL
"'I would feel uncomfortable but I would do it,' Carol Pilgrim of Green Bay said."
Because the police are always wanting to frame innocent people! LOL Let me guess, you subscribe to the "if the gloves don't fit, you must acquit" philosophy, right?
Sacrificing more liberty for "security", example #457,645.
They are NOT monolithic, and no, they do not.
if you refuse then the refusal will be used to obtain a court order using the refusal as evidence for the need for the warrent.
OR
you will be arrested (all traffic infractions carry the potential of arrest) and then incident to arrest you will be printed.
remember big brother loves you. Only the guilty refuse.
Well, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that they at least have the SSN. LOL
Why stop there? Why not plaster casts of your cars tires?
Better yet, why not just call the police before you leave your house...tell them where you're going, and when you'll be back?
After all, it's just a tool. Sarcasm on!
It's not a question of "always" it's a question of possibility. It has happened. Corruption occurs. The government is supposed to be limited, remember? Enumerated powers?
LOL Let me guess, you subscribe to the "if the gloves don't fit, you must acquit" philosophy, right?
Nope. Thanks for playing, though.
That is really dumb. Why would the murderer give his DNA?
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