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Ten Years Later (Incredibly long future-terrorism article by Richard Clarke)
Richard A. Clarke ^ | January/February, 2005 | The Atlantic Monthly

Posted on 01/11/2005 3:24:12 PM PST by quidnunc

Edited on 02/01/2005 2:27:12 PM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]

“Then the second wave of al-Qaeda attacks hit America”

It is a great honor to be chosen to give this tenth-anniversary lecture. This year, more than at any other time since the beginning of the war on terror, I think we can see clearly how that war has changed our country. Now that the terror seems finally to have receded somewhat, perhaps we can begin to consider the steps necessary to return the United States to what it was before 9/11. To do so, however, we must be clear about what has happened over the past ten years. Thus tonight I will dwell on the history of the war on terror.


(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2011; jihadinamerica; richardclarke

1 posted on 01/11/2005 3:24:12 PM PST by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc

Well, at least he isn't still focused on cyber terrorism as he was prior to 9/11...


2 posted on 01/11/2005 3:25:16 PM PST by swilhelm73 (Like the archers of Agincourt, ... the Swiftboat Veterans took down their own haughty Frenchman.)
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To: quidnunc

With all due respect to you, what's the point of posting the dribblings of this self-possessed ego-maniac? He's now on the lecture circuit, having taken his Bush-bashing act on the road. Why anyone should listen to this guy, who was largely out of the loop in regard to US anti-terrorism efforts by 9-11, is beyond me.


3 posted on 01/11/2005 3:27:05 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: quidnunc

Colonel David Hackworth is the only one who ever came close with a WW3 scenario in an article in FHM magazine. He foresaw an Al Queda in 2001 (this was in 1998) in New York. The target was one of the bridges during the New York Marathon being hit by a huge bomb when it was full of runners with about 3000 to 4000 dead. He had a retalitory strike against Afghanistan and the war spreading to Iraq.


4 posted on 01/11/2005 3:28:59 PM PST by speed_addiction (Ninja's last words, "Hey guys. Watch me just flip out on that big dude over there!")
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To: speed_addiction

Hack just needs to fade away like a good "Old Soldier"!


5 posted on 01/11/2005 3:30:35 PM PST by zzen01
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To: My2Cents
My2Cents wrote: With all due respect to you, what's the point of posting the dribblings of this self-possessed ego-maniac? He's now on the lecture circuit, having taken his Bush-bashing act on the road. Why anyone should listen to this guy, who was largely out of the loop in regard to US anti-terrorism efforts by 9-11, is beyond me.

I went to all this trouble just in order to annoy you.

OK?

Next dunder-headed question!

6 posted on 01/11/2005 3:30:58 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: swilhelm73
He's trolling for cyber-terror gay dates. Clarke is a self-serving, self-srving gay terror-dude, IMHO.
7 posted on 01/11/2005 3:31:56 PM PST by Thebaddog (Dawgs on the coffee table.)
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To: Thebaddog

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1104918/posts
The Clarke Effect- another Leftover from The Decade of Frauds
various FR links | 03-25-04 | The Heavy Equipment Guy

FR file on Clarke


8 posted on 01/11/2005 3:35:11 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: quidnunc

BTTTTTTT


9 posted on 01/11/2005 3:37:36 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: quidnunc

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1318318/posts
Richard Clarke Lays Out His Dark Vision
NY Sun ^ | January 11, 2005 | BY ELI LAKE - Staff Reporter of the Sun


Posted on 01/11/2005 4:56:03 AM CST by Jim Robinson

Commentary on the article.


10 posted on 01/11/2005 3:39:10 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: quidnunc

You didn't annoy me. I'm just wondering why you bother giving this dickweed any publicity.


11 posted on 01/11/2005 3:40:08 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: quidnunc
It had not been hard for the terrorists to buy all their guns legally, in six different states across the Midwest. A year earlier Congress had failed to reauthorize the assault-weapons ban. Attorney General John Ashcroft had announced a proposal, on July 6, 2001, to have the FBI destroy records of weapons sales and background checks the day after the gun dealer had the sale approved. This meant that if a gun buyer subsequently turned up on the new Integrated Watch List, or was discovered by law-enforcement officials to be a felon or a suspected terrorist, when government authorities tried to investigate the sale, the record of the purchase would already be on the way to the shredder. [19]

So, the author is a gun grabber who places no value in the possibility of an armed populace. No CCWs here to save the day - except for some off-duty cops.

12 posted on 01/11/2005 3:41:44 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: quidnunc

What a load of steaming bunk.


13 posted on 01/11/2005 3:41:50 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: quidnunc

This would have been one time where I'd have been glad to see you excerpt the article.


14 posted on 01/11/2005 3:42:08 PM PST by CFC__VRWC
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To: My2Cents

If I were president Mecca/Medina/Qom would have been nuked midway through this science fiction story.


15 posted on 01/11/2005 3:49:35 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: All

16 posted on 01/11/2005 3:52:52 PM PST by Prime Choice (The DNC! Where boys and girls look the same! That's a little strange isn't it?)
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To: coloradan
So, the author is a gun grabber who places no value in the possibility of an armed populace. No CCWs here to save the day - except for some off-duty cops.

If Richard Clarke wrote it, you can be sure of the following;

- Everything is George Bush's fault.
- George Bush has not done one single correct thing since he stole the election in 2000.
- Any policy that George Bush or his Cabinet supports is wrong,
- George Bush and his people are total idiots and if it weren't for the tireless, thankless work performed by me, Richard Clarke, the only person in the whole world who knows anything about al Qaeda and terrorism, this country would be smoking crater by now. So bow down to me.

Too bad the media still does.

17 posted on 01/11/2005 3:53:13 PM PST by CFC__VRWC
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To: My2Cents

It's essential to know what is being blabbered out there, even if it makes you puke.

You can always take the approach to just look at it (or read it) and say to yourself, "Make my day, punk", or, if you prefer, "Dick makes me look like a political astrophysicist."


18 posted on 01/11/2005 3:55:42 PM PST by LurkedLongEnough (Don't think about my tagline.)
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To: quidnunc

Richard Clarke is one of several people who should have been purged after the GOP took control of the executive branch. Unfortunately, everyone at the time was obsessed with the 'new tone' and have dearly paid for it since.



19 posted on 01/11/2005 3:59:05 PM PST by RegT
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To: My2Cents
This is a transcript if the Tenth Anniversary 9/11 Lecture Sunday, September 11, 2011

LOL Richard Clark has to fantasize that anyone will remember who he is or want to hear from him in 2011.

20 posted on 01/11/2005 4:01:37 PM PST by usurper (Correct spelling is overrated)
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To: quidnunc
"J want to look at the past seven years in some detail."

Who is J and what have you done with quidnunc who never posts the full article?
21 posted on 01/11/2005 4:14:57 PM PST by Max Combined
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To: quidnunc

I never heard that Las Vegas was attacked or amusement parks. Did the news media play it down or what?


22 posted on 01/11/2005 4:17:25 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: swilhelm73

I lost interest after the first thousand words. It won't come to that. Long before the writer's scenario comes to be, the free nations of the world would put tremendous pressure on "Countries of Concern" like Iran/Syria/France.


23 posted on 01/11/2005 4:26:51 PM PST by AngrySpud (Behold, I am The Anti-Crust ... Anti-Hillary)
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To: quidnunc

"Saudis who had returned from neighboring Iraq, where they had been radicalized by their experiences fighting the U.S. occupation."

Yes, because when the went to Iraq to fight in the Jihad against the Americans, they were polite boy scouts, it was only after going to Iraq the they became radicalized.


24 posted on 01/11/2005 4:27:45 PM PST by Max Combined
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To: quidnunc

Did the Atlantic pay him to write this crap?


25 posted on 01/11/2005 4:28:27 PM PST by Max Combined
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To: quidnunc
Shortly thereafter a casually dressed Asian couple approached the Rataczaks' secluded campsite with a map unfolded in front of them. Only the birds heard the....

.....resounding blasts of Peter Rataczak's .357 as he blew the Asian couple away. "Thank God for the Second Amendment," Peter chuckled to himself as he grabbed the woman's jewelry and the man's watch and wallet before dragging their lifeless bodies off into a nearby thicket, a friendly peace offering to the local skunks and turkey buzzards.

26 posted on 01/11/2005 4:30:32 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: quidnunc

Mr. Clarke displays the aptitude needed for a promising career as a screenwriter for "24".


27 posted on 01/11/2005 4:48:42 PM PST by Ol' Sox
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To: usurper

Well, this may happen if the libs get back in power. We will never be able to use torture and they will stop the fight because they don't believe in it. What will the terrorists be afraid of? We can't even put an Isreali flag on them- the poor souls may get embarrassed.


28 posted on 01/11/2005 5:01:37 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: quidnunc
Thanks, Quidnunc, for posting the article. Clarke hates Bush because Bush didn't appoint him Deputy Secretary of Homeland Security, and Clarke is a showboater. That said, the article is worth reading, including the footnotes.

Anyone who thinks one or all of these scenarios cannot happen is living in Cloud-Coo-Coo-Land.

29 posted on 01/11/2005 5:03:44 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: quidnunc

He's more full of shit than a stuffed Christmas Turkey.


30 posted on 01/11/2005 5:09:53 PM PST by conservativecorner
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To: dennisw

Did W really promise to Nuke Mecca and vaporise that freakin' rock they worship if they attacked us on US soil again?

Or maybe the next earthquake will open up and swallow Mecca, wonder what they would do then? lol j


31 posted on 01/11/2005 5:47:38 PM PST by PROSOUTH ( Deo Vindice "God Will Vindicate")
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To: Max Combined
Did the Atlantic pay him to write this crap?

I've read Tom Clancy.

And, Richard Clarke, you're no Tom Clancy.

I'll bet the loony liberals will lap this crap up like warm milk, though...

32 posted on 01/11/2005 6:05:51 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: quidnunc
Question for Mr. Clarke: Who is claiming "There is no terrorist threat."? Hint: it isn't the President.
33 posted on 01/11/2005 6:14:15 PM PST by Christopher Lincoln
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To: conservativecorner
He's more full of shit than a stuffed Christmas Turkey.

Please remember NOT to invite me to Christmas Dinner at your house!

Yecch!

34 posted on 01/11/2005 6:26:53 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: John Valentine

Simply a metaphor I assure you. LOL!


35 posted on 01/11/2005 7:05:22 PM PST by conservativecorner
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To: Malesherbes

And every time he opens his mouth he just adds more proof the Bush was right.


36 posted on 01/11/2005 9:27:20 PM PST by Valin (Sometimes you're the bug, and sometimes you're the windshield)
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To: quidnunc

How did the ego-manical turdbucket miss the disappearance of Mecca and Medina,,Hmmmmmmmm?


37 posted on 01/11/2005 9:37:55 PM PST by Waco
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To: quidnunc

I fail to see how all this Clarke bashing has anything to do with a real conversation. Many Republicans agree with Clarke's assessment of the war on terror. Don't forget he served under 4 presidents, Rep and Dem.


38 posted on 01/17/2005 9:00:53 AM PST by John WInebroker
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To: John WInebroker
John WInebroker wrote: I fail to see how all this Clarke bashing has anything to do with a real conversation. Many Republicans agree with Clarke's assessment of the war on terror. Don't forget he served under 4 presidents, Rep and Dem.

Before 9/11 Clarke was thumping the tubs for defense against cyber-terrorism, which was a mania with him.

He double-crossed the Bush administration in the 9/11 hearings in order to sell his book and to position himself for a job in a Kerry administration.

Now he's trying to drum up business for his counter-terror security company.

Clarke is cynical and mercenary self-promoter and he has precious little credibility remaining.

39 posted on 01/17/2005 9:17:38 AM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: My2Cents

why is anyone who disagrees with Bush somehow a dickweed or a traitor?


40 posted on 01/22/2005 9:49:03 AM PST by snewpdawg
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To: snewpdawg

His book was pretty good.

Repubs and Dems were not paying attention prior to 911.

Clarke is a little bit of a showboater, but he is no dummy.


41 posted on 01/22/2005 1:13:55 PM PST by brundle_seth
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To: dandiegirl

Um... Alberto Gonzalez, George W. Bush, and Condoleezza Rice have all refuted the use of torture, as has the FBI and most of the civilized world (although Israel still officially sanctions it). The last thing we want is the liberals being able to claim that they are AGAINST torture and conservatives are FOR torture. Of course, if you think torture is a grand idea, post away and pray the torturers always get the right suspects!


42 posted on 01/22/2005 1:24:10 PM PST by rastap
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To: John WInebroker

Clarke's analysis does suffer because he has a beef with the Bushies, but I agree that his fictional future lecture does raise some very important points that we need to pay attention. These include "the battle for ideas" that we need to engage in in the Islamic World, the need for better security at domestic buildings and structures where large numbers of people congregate like resorts, bridges and shopping malls, and the need for better security on our borders. I also think the Bushies need to do a better job of articulating a message. They are terrible at public affairs and lack a cogent informational program.

Clarke errs badly when he does not take in account that sprouting of democracy in Iraq, Palestine, and Afghanistan is already having a positive impact on the Middle East - all thanks to GWB. It is indeed the "ideological counterweight to the jihadis" that he implies hasn't been implemented. Of course, Clarke will never acknowledge this because for him nothing good can come from Bush.


43 posted on 02/21/2005 7:52:12 PM PST by Lombardo
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