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Gregoire certified as governor of Washington (will be sworn in tomorrow)
Seattle P-I ^ | 1/11/05 | REBECCA COOK

Posted on 01/11/2005 4:02:08 PM PST by nyg4168

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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

Well, glad to know that more than 1000 people showed up to protest, but I'm wondering why 25,000 weren't engaged in "civil" disobedience ("I'm Republican, of course I'm civil").


61 posted on 01/11/2005 8:50:56 PM PST by freebilly (Go Santa Cruz Basketball! Win CCS!)
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To: Jim Noble

You're obviously not from Washington state, considering every point you made was flat out wrong!

If there was ever a legitimate scenario to demand a revote, this is it.


62 posted on 01/11/2005 9:14:03 PM PST by proudpapa (of three.)
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To: proudpapa

Some people who don't live here in Washington know what's going on, but I've seen a lot of ill-informed posts from out-of-state people on this topic. We need better national press, I guess. A re-vote is the ONLY way to clean this up once and for all - because even if Dino were to lose, at least we could a) put the Dems on notice that we won't stand for election fraud, and b) know the true will of the people.


63 posted on 01/11/2005 9:25:48 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Christine Fraudoire is not my governoire.)
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To: freebilly

I don't know why it wasn't 25k either, but some politician remarked that he's never seen so many people come to Olympia on an issue EVER. So we did okay.


64 posted on 01/11/2005 9:26:54 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Christine Fraudoire is not my governoire.)
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To: nyg4168
I have to say, once she's moved into the governor's mansion, any court is going to be very, very reluctant to throw her out without absolutely overwhelming evidence of intentional fraud. I think Rossi's done for as of noon tomorrow.

With your attitude we would still be bowing to the English Crown. Read John Funds article and have faith...and email, phone and fax!

Don't Count Rossi Out
A stolen election in Washington state?
Not if bloggers can help it.
Monday, January 10, 2005 12:01 a.m. EST

65 posted on 01/11/2005 9:31:04 PM PST by BJungNan (Did you call your congressmen to tell them to stop funding the ACLU? 202 224 3121)
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To: sgtbono2002
Read this.

Don't Count Rossi Out
A stolen election in Washington state?
Not if bloggers can help it.
by John Fund
Monday, January 10, 2005 12:01 a.m. EST

66 posted on 01/11/2005 9:32:33 PM PST by BJungNan (Did you call your congressmen to tell them to stop funding the ACLU? 202 224 3121)
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To: JDoutrider; nyg4168
Well dear ol Chrissy baby better call UHaul and reserve a truck...she's going to need one in the very near future!

Now there's the attitude, the fighting spirit. Have a talk with nyg4168 will ya? (post 1 comments). He's a little down.

67 posted on 01/11/2005 9:34:53 PM PST by BJungNan (Did you call your congressmen to tell them to stop funding the ACLU? 202 224 3121)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

You're right and unfortunately there are some people who live here who have know idea what is going on.


68 posted on 01/11/2005 9:40:48 PM PST by proudpapa (of three.)
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To: Jim Noble
There is ample evidence of fraud.

Very important point! There does not need to be fraud evident or proven for the election to be overturned or a new vote ordered by the courts. It only need be shown that there are enough illegal votes and/or other irregularities that the "actual result of the voting cannot be ascertained' [Foulkes v Hayes].

This is up to the GOP in Washington state to pursue. How hard they do will be directly proportional to the amount of support they see at revote rallys like the one that took place today and from other quarters (including you emailing).

From SoundPolitics.com

Associated Press reporter Rebecca Cook e-mails about the crowd count at a revote ralley (email to SoundPolitics.com editor):

The original crowd estimates in the AP story was obviously wrong, as you noted. I estimated 200 in the Democrats' crowd, and the editor heard '500' -- probably the result of speaking into a cell phone while 1,800 people chant "revote!" at the top of their lungs. The original estimate of 1,000 in the revote crowd came from the State Patrol, and they later upped it to 2,000 (including the Dems), so I went with 1,800 in the story.

I try not to get too defensive about this stuff, but I cringed when I saw the 500 estimate on the wire. So in the interest of MSM transparency. I just wanted to let you know how it happened and was corrected. Keep up the good work!

69 posted on 01/11/2005 9:46:02 PM PST by BJungNan (Did you call your congressmen to tell them to stop funding the ACLU? 202 224 3121)
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To: proudpapa

By the time this is over, Washington will be a Republican state for the next 50 years.

The latest and most egregious example of how Democrats could care less about how much damage they do to our institutions in their pursuit of power.

My prayers are with Washington state FReepers and Republicans, and with with the real Governor-elect, Dino Rossi.


70 posted on 01/11/2005 9:48:29 PM PST by EternalVigilance (If the President's so dumb, and he keeps outwittin' y'all, what does that say about y'all?)
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To: farmfriend

BTTT!!!!!!


71 posted on 01/12/2005 3:01:26 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: randita
In future elections, King County will be watched like a hawk. Democrats will have to find another county to subvert the election process. King County's not going to get away with the chicanery any more.

Yeah, sure, been there, done that. Only if they don't get away with this one will they not get away with it in the future. If they do, forget about it. Nothing will change, they'll only be emboldened. How many times do Republicans have to bend over for the old "thank you sir may I have another?" Doesn't it get tiring and hurt after awhile to the point of wanting to fight back?

72 posted on 01/12/2005 5:15:47 AM PST by chimera
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
If all else fails, Rossi can still run for the Senate. Taking back the Left Coast, one state at a time...

He can, but he;d lose. Cantwell is too firmly entrenched, and is a much more appealing candidate to the WA 'Rats than Gregoire. Those who hesitated to vote for Gregoire will have no problems pulling the lever for Cantdowell.

Rossi has said he doesn't want to run for the Senate. He knows this was his shot. He has resigned his seat in the state Senate to run for governor. He has no where to go, and nothing to lose by fighting this fraud. He's doing the right thing.

73 posted on 01/12/2005 5:19:39 AM PST by chimera
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To: McGavin999
I think every elected republican in the state ought to just walk off the job.

If they stay, one thing they can do is shut down the legislature (or at least try) and deny Fraudoire any shed of legitimacy. I would not even address Gregoire as "Governor". Attach amendments to bills, make every vote a recorded vote, make the 'Rats take responsibility, alone, for anything they do. Republicans are minorities in both houses of the state legislature, so they'll probably get rolled by the 'Rats on every vote, but make the 'Rats go it alone. No cooperation on anything.

Likewise, this message should go forth to the Republicans in DC, who I've heard are in charge of things there but sometimes have my doubts. When the WA State 'Rats come to them hat in hand for any handouts, tell them to stick it in their wazoos and next time send a legitimately-elected Governor to do their pleading. That may seem petty and spiteful, because there is probably a distinct minority of good conservatives in WA state who may suffer, but the 'Rats only understand power, and they need to learn there are consequences to election fraud. It's clear they won't suffer any sanctions in their own 'Rat empire because they run the courts and legislature, but at least the feds have a chance to squeeze them.

74 posted on 01/12/2005 5:40:46 AM PST by chimera
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To: chimera
How many times do Republicans have to bend over for the old "thank you sir may I have another?" Doesn't it get tiring and hurt after awhile to the point of wanting to fight back?

Not if you pick your battles wisely. Florida in 2000 is an example of that. James Baker and Racicot were ferocious bulldogs in that battle -- they didn't give an inch.

In contrast, Thune in SD chose to concede to Johnson in 2002 even though there was lots of evidence of fraud, esp. on India reservations. Thune bowed out gracefully, lived to fight another day, and dethroned Daschle.

75 posted on 01/12/2005 5:51:52 AM PST by randita
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To: nyg4168

F#*&ing democrats!


76 posted on 01/12/2005 5:55:27 AM PST by stevio (Let Freedom Ring!)
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To: EternalVigilance
By the time this is over, Washington will be a Republican state for the next 50 years.

I don't think so. People become inured to the fraud, and so they accept it. That's the real danger in not finally standing up, once and for all, and fighting back. The electorate will come to accept dishonest and fraudulent elections as the norm, and just say, "get over it".

You see evidence of it everywhere, even right here on FR. How many times on these threads have we seen people (who should know better), say about this election, forget about it, move on, let Rossi run for the Senate, blah blah blah? Or, the statement about how a Republican has to have at least a 5-point margin in real votes to beat a 'Rat because of the fraud? Trouble is, if you let that go on, then the 5-point margin becomes 10 points, then 15, and so on, until no margin of victory is sufficient to let an opponent of the 'Rats win. Then the 'rats become Rulers For Life, and we've lost any pretense of being a Constitutional Republic.

The latest and most egregious example of how Democrats could care less about how much damage they do to our institutions in their pursuit of power.

It is that and more, which is why this one should be finally, finally, the one where Republicans draw the line in the sand. I've seen conservatives lose too many elections and play the "gracious loser" and spout the "we'll get them next time" line. But, if you don't finally stand up to the cheating, you eventually don't get a "next time".

77 posted on 01/12/2005 5:57:32 AM PST by chimera
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To: randita
In contrast, Thune in SD chose to concede to Johnson in 2002 even though there was lots of evidence of fraud, esp. on India reservations. Thune bowed out gracefully, lived to fight another day, and dethroned Daschle.

But if he had stood his ground and made his case, might he not have taken his rightful seat against Johnson? Then we would have had another Republican for two years to help our cause, especially on some of these judicial nominations. Then when the Daschle contest came up, we might have been able to run an equally strong candidate and still beaten Daschle in '04 (I think people were fed up with his obstructionist record, so he was ripe to fall), and have 56 seats in our control in this session.

My point is that forgoing too many challenges in the hopes of winning "another time" can actually cost you ground in the long term.

I've seen this Thune analogy posted often on these threads and I will say again for those who are tempted to draw the comparison between John Thune and Dino Rossi, there is none. Thune was running for the same post he wanted in '02 against Johnson. For him it was a true re-match for the same prize. Thune wanted to be in the Senate, Rossi does not.

Rossi ran for Governor to change things in his state. The Governor's position is the best one to do that from. He has indicated in no uncertain terms that he isn't interested in the US Senate. He probably could not win that contest anyway against Cantwell, who is a much more attractive candidate statewide than Gregoire. Rossi knows that even if he somehow managed to win the consolation prize of a Senate seat, there'd be little he could do to help turn around his state after 20 years of ruinous 'Rat control. Being one vote out of a hundred, dealing with arcane and far-removed national issues, a junior Senator from a state without much political influence in DC, would be like being buried for 6 years on the sidelines. My impression of Dino Rossi is that he's a doer, and wants to get his hands dirty making things happen. The US Senate tends to be a place for glory hounds and Presidential wannabees. I doubt if Rossi would want to be a part of that.

78 posted on 01/12/2005 6:09:28 AM PST by chimera
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To: chimera

I certainly would not counsel anything except fighting tooth and nail for this election, to the fullest extent possible.

If I left you that impression, I'm sorry for that. But I think you were reading something into my words that wasn't there.


79 posted on 01/12/2005 8:36:44 AM PST by EternalVigilance (If the President's so dumb, and he keeps outwittin' y'all, what does that say about y'all?)
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To: nyg4168

Washington Democrats, "Move along, nothing to see here"

They give Officer Bar Brady a run for his job.


80 posted on 01/12/2005 8:38:13 AM PST by trubluolyguy (Men are from earth, women are from earth...deal with it!)
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