Skip to comments.Bush: 'I don't see how you can be president without a relationship with the Lord'
Posted on 01/11/2005 7:47:20 PM PST by jdm
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AMEN....thanks for the reminder!!!!
some ignoramus is going to call for an impeachment on grounds of violation of separation of church and state...
Both of these are known false quotes that have been thoroughly discredited. Both of the gentlemen did say some good things about religion, so why not use those quotes that actually exist?
So when you say if is a Christiano fabrication what exactly do you mean?
It means simply that they're urban legend. Whatever motives I may have, the quotes are still false, and the first Jefferson quote is still out of context since it was slamming Christianity as practiced in his day.
BTW, if Jefferson says the Bible is important, do you mean a Bible like yours or the one Jefferson wrote, where he left Jesus' basic moral teachings and removed all the mystical references that he thought were garbage?
Faith is one's mind is only vapour it has no real substance.It is only when it is articulated that it gains substance. Christ had mad confession with the lips paramount to salvation. First to him But the n he says that we must confess him before men.
Now departing from the rhetoric of preaching witnessing and other things I want to look at this from the aspect of the great commandment and the second.
The great commandment is to Love God with all you heart with all your soul and all your strength -- To beleive that one can beleive in their mind along and obey this commandment is not not understand its words.
How can you love a woman and never express that love you have for her. People who are in love speak of whom the y love to others they speak to those who they love they write poems and so on.
But this love is beyond romance because we can be head over heals and not love the person with all of outr heart soul and strength -- I think we could agree taht few do.
If one is in madly in love with someone and does not express it -- what do we call that behavior delussional, dreams, it is all ether and no substance
The underlying truh here is that many who call themselves by the name of the Lord do not love God. They are not actually fond of God, and really they are beleivers because well it is a family tradition and nothing more. it is an obligation that they fulfill once a week or in europe only on the high holy days.
When one is in love theyir thoughts are filled with their love and they can not help but speak of their love -- when that is not the case we have a completely diffent effect and now bringing how confession witnessing and preaching into this sphere we see that not all that much which is done is done out of such a love, we see that these are more soldiers of duty than love.
And so when one speaks of salvation and God not out of this bubblng flow of love and heat of relationship people can sense it, people know it but they can not put their finger on what is wrong. And some reject that while others accept intelectual arguements for beleiving -- fire insureance comes to mind.
People want reality not theology.
No place does christ say thou art saved by thy doctrine. Or thy theology hath made thee whole.
But your love of Jesus and persoanl relationship with him will.
Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. -- George Washington, Farewell Address
Yikes. From that thread is this post:
i prefer a president who cares more about america than his soul
if push comes to shove, bush would abandon the american people if his "god" told him to, so what the _ is that for a leader?
to be president you have to be an atheist at heart. you can't worry about your soul or your relationship with some sort of god if you have sworn to defend the US
Oh well now that did it. Some of the "Newsmax" crowd was saying that GWB wasn't Christian enough around Christmas time and now some of his other detractors are gonna say that he's too Christian. Poor guy just can't win.
Well actually he can, because he's got God on his side and in his heart.
There are no such things as atheists.
An atheist is sure there is no God, and can prove the same to others.
Either prove that God does not exist, or at least admit you aren't sure whether there is, or is not, a God.
I'm not joking. The Bible says "Prove everything, and hold fast that which is true." If you have proof, share it with us.
No, we should always do everything in love. Unfortunately, our humanity gets in the way (smile).
My translation is "I am attacked because people fear that I will brand them less patriotic if they are not religious. Neither my words and actions have ever indicated that is my belief. Yet, the attacks persist anyway."
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Please don't take this as a personal affront because it is a widespread practice here but ... I am a little disconcerted with the amount of attention we give to DU discourse here on FR. Links to DU, copy and pasting from that site, were prohibited at one time here, and that was not a bad policy IMO. Regards.
> What I am claiming is that I haven't seen a credible source proving it DID happen.
I believe it was reported by one of the major news sources. And we all saw what happened when Rather tried to pull that crap - W didn't have to deny anything because Rather got called on it. You don't think that would have happened to Bush Sr either?
I'm saying that if a story that was as widely reported as that story was had been incorrect, there would have been a bunch of people stepping forward to say it was incorrect. As happened to Dan Rather & CBS. But nobody denied it. And apparently, GHWB was even given the chance to deny the comment and didn't.
I don't remember anyone at the time questioning the veracity of the quote. And even now on the internet, I can't find anyone (other than here) who doesn't think it happened and verified. Wouldn't pro-Bush groups have come out and defended him? If it's an urban legend, it's clearly one of the most pervasive ones out there...
Here's what we have so far:
1) Everybody believes it, so it must be true.
2) You say news media "widely reported" it, so it must be true. (Never mind that MANY bogus things have been reported over the years.)
3) This "widely reported" story cannot be sourced, except on an atheist site. Where are the sources???
4) GHWB didn't deny it, so it must be true. GHWB hasn't denied that he was born on Mars either.
Sorry, but this is getting extremely frustrating. If this is so REAL, why can't you prove it? I don't think I'm asking for too much here. Show some evidence, and if you cannot come up with any, does that concern you at all?
I do not wish to go around and around on this merry-go-round. You can either back up your assertion or you cannot. Until and unless you do, it would be prudent to consider that it may indeed be urban legend. You are presuming GHWB "guilty" of this quote sans evidence, and I am presuming him "innocent" until proven "guilty."
Fair enough - I'll do some research and see what I can find...
That's a wonderful response.
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