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U.S. Marines disarm to aid tsunami victims
Seattle Post Intelligence ^ | 1/11/05 | Eric Talmadge

Posted on 01/12/2005 4:55:46 AM PST by 1 spark

ABOARD THE USS BONHOMME RICHARD -- Cpl. Sean Foley looks around the ship's main armory and takes a quick inventory. The room is overflowing with guns. Pistols, sniper rifles, machine guns, grenade launchers.

But for the time being, it's all staying right here.

In an effort to ease the fears of local officials, Marines participating in the humanitarian mission to help Indonesia recover from the earthquake and tsunami that have killed more than 100,000 people on the island of Sumatra have agreed to leave their weapons behind whenever they go ashore.

For many Marines, that's tantamount to traveling naked.

"They didn't even want us to have protection like helmets and body armor, let alone weapons, because it might look threatening," said Foley, of Erie, Pa. "That's crazy."

His concern isn't unfounded.

Though the nearly 2,000 Marines on this ship and another nearby have only just begun to trickle ashore, and are generally returning to the ship each night, the area in which they are operating presents some significant security threats.

Rebels have long been active in this region, so much so that the Indonesian government had largely restricted it from foreigners. Though a lull followed the Dec. 26 disaster, firefights near the provincial capital of Banda Aceh have been reported recently.

"We are concerned," said Col. Tom Greenwood, commanding officer of the 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit, which was diverted from duty in Iraq to join in the humanitarian operation. "The Indonesian government is taking it very seriously."

But Indonesian officials have also been reluctant to let the Marines come ashore with their weapons because of the image that might project.

"We are very concerned about force protection," Greenwood said. "But if you go in there and look like an invading force instead of a humanitarian force, that could be just as detrimental as having no security whatsoever. So you have to balance it."

In the devastated city of Meulaboh, where the Marines are expected to do much of their work and unload the bulk of their relief supplies, heavily armed Indonesian soldiers provide security.

In an exception to the no-weapons orders, Marine helicopter pilots have been allowed to carry their standard protection. Marines have also been careful to maintain close communications with their ship.

Officials stressed, however, that security was in the Indonesians' hands.

"We have full confidence in their ability to provide adequate force protection," said Gunnery Sgt. Robert Knoll, a spokesman for the Marines.

"We won't be using any of these," Cpl. Jeff Austin, of Salt Lake City, Utah, said as he set up a .50 caliber sniper rifle in the armory. "I guess the no weapons rule is understandable, since this is a humanitarian thing. But it's quite a switch for us. Usually, we never leave home without them."


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KEYWORDS: disarm; marines; tsunamirelief
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1 posted on 01/12/2005 4:55:46 AM PST by 1 spark
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To: 1 spark
"...Indonesian officials have also been reluctant to let the Marines come ashore with their weapons because of the image that might project."

If we stop sending aid and bring the Marines home now, we have already done enough!
2 posted on 01/12/2005 5:00:03 AM PST by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus to his sons)
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To: 1 spark
"But Indonesian officials have also been reluctant to let the Marines come ashore with their weapons because of the image that might project.

There you have it - Form over substance. I for one am concerned that, in the role of providing assistance, our troops are sitting ducks for any Muslim nut case who wants to cause a BIG problem. I saw pictures of our troops handing out relief supplies to "Victims" who were wear Usama shirts! Go figure.

3 posted on 01/12/2005 5:00:49 AM PST by drt1
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To: 1 spark; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...
"They didn't even want us to have protection like helmets and body armor, let alone weapons, because it might look threatening," said Foley, of Erie, Pa. "That's crazy."

Crazy. Ya got that right.

Someone higher up should have put their foot down on this one and told these Mooslims "You want our help? We come packing and armored or we don't come at all."

I'm sure we're all thinking about the same line from 'Aliens'.

"Hey, what are we supposed to use, man, harsh language?"

4 posted on 01/12/2005 5:08:25 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: 1 spark



Bring em home then. They are soldiers and should be dressed and protected as one.

Why do we continue to bend over backwards for these ignorant people. We offered a hand, if they spit in it, so be it, let them die from their own arrogance.


5 posted on 01/12/2005 5:16:41 AM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: 1 spark

This is not a good idea. Opens them up for a slaughter by murderous muslim trash. I've got a bad feeling about this.


6 posted on 01/12/2005 5:21:36 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm ( veni vidi vino visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: 1 spark

What a stupid idea. These are Marines, not Peace Corps volunteers.


7 posted on 01/12/2005 5:21:57 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: 1 spark
Heard this on Imus. Not one American military death because of these scumbags is acceptable.
F 'em. We should pull back to the ships and start strafing and dropping napalm on their asses. Die, then lay there and rot and cause other sumbags to die.
8 posted on 01/12/2005 5:23:08 AM PST by Feckless
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To: AppyPappy

Well said. Get them out of there.


9 posted on 01/12/2005 5:24:29 AM PST by ProudVet77 (If it's Saturday, I'm sailing!)
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To: ProudVet77

Drop in some hippies instead. They are always complaining about the military. Put them to work.


10 posted on 01/12/2005 5:26:05 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

AMEN! Insert some of the hippy assholes who always bitch about the military but never actually do any good themselves. Let them spread goodwill rather than spewing rhetoric.


11 posted on 01/12/2005 5:29:46 AM PST by Don Simmons (Annoy a liberal: Work hard; Prosper; Be Happy.)
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To: 1 spark

This is absolutely nuts! If this is a directive from the State Dept or some other high-level administrative agency, the least the Marine High Command should do is tell them to piss up a rope. There is no way in hell a Marine should be ordered into a Moslem hate zone without his sidearm. This kind of touchy-feely assininity is what the "great" Reagan was responsible for when 246 Sailors and Marines were murdered in their beds by a mad Moslem bomber who penetrated the perimeter of the compound in Lebanon because the guards at the gates HAD NO AMMUNITION IN THEIR WEAPONS. It was deemed "too provocative". When the hell will we decide to tell the PC-oriented people and their idiotic sensibilities to just DROP THE HELL DEAD!


12 posted on 01/12/2005 5:36:07 AM PST by bowzer313
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To: bowzer313

Agreed.


13 posted on 01/12/2005 5:43:23 AM PST by prov1813man
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To: SLB; Lion Den Dan; Squantos; Cannoneer No. 4

Not a good idea.

And yes, I'm trying for "understatement of the day" with that assessment.


14 posted on 01/12/2005 5:45:01 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: 1 spark

We were looking at an opportunity for my company to send small boats instead of money to aid some of the local fishermen who lost their boats. I was kind of in the middle of the plan. My first thought was how do I manage to get a sidearm there to protect myself in the unlikely event I was asked to deliver the boat kits.

The plan fell through and we wrote a sizeable check instead.


15 posted on 01/12/2005 5:45:17 AM PST by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teach 'em young to be men, and politically incorrect in the process)
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To: 1 spark

That's nuts.


16 posted on 01/12/2005 5:46:58 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland
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To: AppyPappy

Completely and utterly stupid. Our guys shouldn't be sent into such a situation - where the enemy is known to be present - without even the slightest ability to protect themselves.


17 posted on 01/12/2005 5:47:21 AM PST by livius
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To: 1 spark

This is BAD NEWS! A soldier should never be without his loaded weapon, also policemen and pilots fit this list. I just had a chill thinking of the terrorist bombing of the Marine Barracks in Beirut.


18 posted on 01/12/2005 5:48:53 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: AppyPappy

Forget the hippies, drop in liberals


19 posted on 01/12/2005 5:50:08 AM PST by antiunion person (Everything I Say is Fully Substantiated by my Own Opinion)
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To: OXENinFLA

I don't think this is a good idea at all and am shocked that we would agree to it.


20 posted on 01/12/2005 5:52:30 AM PST by Peach (The Cl intons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: 1 spark

This is wrong. Didn't we learn this lesson already with the USS Cole??

If they want the aid, they do not set the conditions.

I feel sorry for those Marines. They are not the Peace Corps and they aren't at Disneyland. There are bad guys there who would love an easy unarmed target.


21 posted on 01/12/2005 5:53:24 AM PST by CheneyChick
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To: Peach

And now since it's being reported on the AP the enemy know this too.


22 posted on 01/12/2005 5:57:20 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: 1 spark

No weapons carried by Marines, no aid.

They are already kidnapping aid workers. We need to recognize that Banda Aceh was a terrorist base. While we are there, we should eliminate as many terrorists as we can.

A few more deaths will hardly be noticed.


23 posted on 01/12/2005 5:58:17 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: bowzer313

I agree, absolute lunacy! It looks as though they are willing to sacrifice Marines in order to look compassionate on the world stage.


24 posted on 01/12/2005 5:59:47 AM PST by izzatzo
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To: 1 spark

When I first heard this on the radio, I could not believe it! First thought was-the terrorists are hearing this too! You don't want our Marines to be armed, FORGET IT! I can see those crazy terrorists headed for this area now. I am so sick of always having to cowtow to other countries demands. You dont' like it, get your aid elsewhere.


25 posted on 01/12/2005 5:59:56 AM PST by ok42day ( America-love it or leave it!)
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To: OXENinFLA

Insert swearing here.

This was one of the worst ideas I've heard of in a looong time.


26 posted on 01/12/2005 6:02:37 AM PST by Peach (The Cl intons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: OXENinFLA

I think we have done about all we can do. Maybe it's time to go elsewhere.


27 posted on 01/12/2005 6:04:01 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: 1 spark

This is absolute PC BULLSH*T!!!That part of the world is an Al Quaeda hotbed!!!!I want our guys"locked and cocked"!!!!!!!!!!


28 posted on 01/12/2005 6:05:22 AM PST by bandleader
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To: antiunion person

Is there a difference?


29 posted on 01/12/2005 6:07:11 AM PST by bandleader
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To: drt1
I for one am concerned that, in the role of providing assistance, our troops are sitting ducks for any Muslim nut case who wants to cause a BIG problem

You got that right. Someone in Al-Queda will read this or learn the news and think .. "Hey, perfect opportunity to take a sqaud of Marines and behead them"

30 posted on 01/12/2005 6:08:23 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
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To: 1 spark; Peach
USS BONHOMME RICHARD

Click the link on the right for pics of the Relief effort.

31 posted on 01/12/2005 6:09:16 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: 1 spark

Get the Marines OUT and send Code Pink.


32 posted on 01/12/2005 6:14:06 AM PST by FirstKlassAct
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To: FreedomPoster; Peach
BE PREPARED TO REALLY GET MAD.....

Humanitarian Relief/050110-N-3970R-112.jpg

Notice the guys in the green camo have guns, I'm assuming thery're local military, and our guy are unarmed.

33 posted on 01/12/2005 6:14:26 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA

Grrrrrr! I wish you hadn't shown me that.

I think it's time to call Isakson and Chamblis' offices. I'm not going to bother calling McKinney.


34 posted on 01/12/2005 6:17:48 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: CheneyChick

The only thing we can learn from history is that we don't learn from history.


35 posted on 01/12/2005 6:20:31 AM PST by Tfran
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To: 1 spark


This is pure BS. The last time we tried this “social experiment” (United States Marine Corps Barracks, Beirut, October 23, 1983) it cost 242 of my Brothers their lives. Requiring a Marine to part from his weapon is the same as asking him to saw off his own arm. Leadership on the ground (Officer and Enlisted) should be raising pure HELL about this to whomever it takes to get this reversed! I am totally disgusted at the thought of placing these Marines in harms way without the tools necessary to defend themselves. Well if the crap hits the fan I’m sure some latte sucking Washington bureaucrat will expect the Marines to simply throw cans of condensed milk at the enemy.

No Weapons. No Marines. No Aid. No Compromise!


36 posted on 01/12/2005 6:21:17 AM PST by Onyxx (Semper Fi....Do or Die)
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To: OXENinFLA

Isn't that wonderful...Now the the Mooslims will "love" us.


37 posted on 01/12/2005 6:21:29 AM PST by Tfran
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To: 1 spark

This is not a good idea! They couldn't even take a side-arm? Snakes you know.....


38 posted on 01/12/2005 6:21:37 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: 1 spark

Dollars to donuts the decision was made by POTUS. It's a political issue, not one likely to be made by anyone in the military chain.


39 posted on 01/12/2005 6:26:42 AM PST by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: 1 spark; All
You people really irritate me. You sit back in your armchairs, eating pizza and watching the MSM, and decide how an operation should be propogated.

I was a member of an SF company that marched into the mountains of southern Turkey/north Iraq in 1991 in response to the Kurdish Refugee Crisis, post Gulf War 1. We carried 60 rounds per man. The camp itself had an estimated population of 125,000 UNARMED, HUNGRY, refugees. Needless to say, we determined that we would NOT use deadly force against an unarmed refugee populace and turned our weapons in to the arms room! Instead, we armed ourselves with 5ft long sticks for crowd control.

Even though we were constantly surrounded by hostile Turkish military forces, and the Peshmerga (considered a terrorist force by the Turks), we never once needed to fire a weapon in self defense, nor did we feel threatened by the refugees!

I would strongly advise all of you armchair commanders who have never been on a humanitarian mission to crawl back into your holes. You listen to the propoganda spewed by the government and you haven't a flaming idea of what you are talking about!!!

40 posted on 01/12/2005 6:27:38 AM PST by Sarajevo (Sarajevo is the beginning of 20th century history.)
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To: Feckless

I like the way you think.


41 posted on 01/12/2005 6:28:53 AM PST by ImpotentRage
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To: Onyxx

bump for later discussion


42 posted on 01/12/2005 6:31:36 AM PST by Unknown Freeper
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To: TheForceOfOne
Hi All-

Posted by TheForceOfOne:
"...A soldier should never be without his loaded weapon, also policemen and pilots fit this list..."

You might also want to amend the list to include all law-abiding American citizens who wish to carry a weapon.

~ Blue Jays ~

44 posted on 01/12/2005 6:34:44 AM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Sarajevo

I don't think it's the people we're helping that worries us.

It's the armed "rebels" (read terrorists) in the area that might attack our troops that worry us.


45 posted on 01/12/2005 6:35:04 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA

Nope.

Spitballs.


46 posted on 01/12/2005 6:35:07 AM PST by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: Sarajevo

Some folks tend to forget things so I will refresh your memory, 9/11. It's a completely different world we live in now, and to assume that the "local police" do not have any Muslims who who hate Americans is sheer stupidity. I sure hope it's not your contention that we can now, all of a sudden, trust Muslims.


47 posted on 01/12/2005 6:39:44 AM PST by JustAnAmerican (Being Independent means never having to say you're Partisan)
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To: Just Dan

Absolute RAGE ping..


48 posted on 01/12/2005 6:39:46 AM PST by SE Mom (God Bless our troops.)
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To: OXENinFLA
We had worries of attacks also, except our worry concerned our "allies", the Turks. The Kurdish Peshmerga set a perimeter around our camp so the Turks would not be able to steal us blind. Needless to say, we slept peacefully at night.
49 posted on 01/12/2005 6:39:55 AM PST by Sarajevo (Sarajevo is the beginning of 20th century history.)
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To: OXENinFLA

Bump for later read. I'm assuming most freepers are as unhappy with this development as we are?


50 posted on 01/12/2005 6:42:38 AM PST by Peach (The Cl intons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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