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The 'Media Party' is over (CBS' downfall is just the tip of the iceberg)
MSNBC ^ | Updated: 5:12 p.m. ET Jan. 11, 2005 | By Howard Fineman

Posted on 01/12/2005 7:46:09 AM PST by I Gig Gar

WASHINGTON - A political party is dying before our eyes — and I don't mean the Democrats. I'm talking about the "mainstream media," which is being destroyed by the opposition (or worse, the casual disdain) of George Bush's Republican Party; by competition from other news outlets (led by the internet and Fox's canny Roger Ailes); and by its own fraying journalistic standards. At the height of its power, the AMMP (the American Mainstream Media Party) helped validate the civil rights movement, end a war and oust a power-mad president. But all that is ancient history.

Now the AMMP is reeling, and not just from the humiliation of CBS News. We have a president who feels it's almost a point of honor not to hold more press conferences — he's held far fewer than any modern predecessor — and doesn't seem to agree that the media has any "right" to know what's really going in inside his administration. The AMMP, meanwhile, is regarded with ever growing suspicion by American voters, viewers and readers, who increasingly turn for information and analysis only to non-AMMP outlets that tend to reinforce the sectarian views of discrete slices of the electorate.

Yes, I know: A purely objective viewpoint does not exist in the cosmos or in politics. Yes, I know: Today's media foodfights are mild compared with the viciousness of pamphleteers and partisan newspapers of old, from colonial times forward. Yes, I know: The notion of a neutral "mainstream" national media gained a dominant following only in World War II and in its aftermath, when what turned out to be a temporary moderate consensus came to govern the country.

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To: I Gig Gar
At the height of its power, the AMMP (the American Mainstream Media Party) helped validate the civil rights movement, end a war and oust a power-mad president.

Could any of these have been accomplished without a bias? The idea that the media could "accomplish" anything goes against what I feel the duty of journalism is. Namely just to report.

21 posted on 01/12/2005 8:05:43 AM PST by KJacob (If I yawn it is only in anticipation.)
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To: Bahbah


Ditto.


22 posted on 01/12/2005 8:05:54 AM PST by onyx
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To: I Gig Gar
At the height of its power, the AMMP (the American Mainstream Media Party) helped validate the civil rights movement, end a war and oust a power-mad president. But all that is ancient history.

At the height of its unchallenged, unbridled power, the AMMP (the American Mainstream Media Party) helped validate propped up the civil rights movement, destroyed support and morale in an effort to end a war and allowed two pathetic reporters to lead an effort to oust a media perceived power-mad president whom they despised and slandered at every opportunity and have attempted to duplicate with every Republican President since.. But all that is ancient history.

A few corrections were necessary.

23 posted on 01/12/2005 8:06:30 AM PST by N. Theknow (Sixth grade to Michael Moore would not have been grade school, it would have been grad school.)
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To: I Gig Gar

insert unnecessary DODGEBAL reply here: "F -in A, Cotton, F-in A..."


24 posted on 01/12/2005 8:06:53 AM PST by budson
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To: beyond the sea

Henry Raymond was elected Chairman of the RNC toward the end of the Civil War, but was soon tossed out for being too chummy with the Confederates and their northern allies in the Democratic Party.




25 posted on 01/12/2005 8:07:21 AM PST by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: I Gig Gar
"...once the AMMP declared its existence by taking sides, there was no going back. A party was born."

Fineman misses the point, and deliberately so, since he knows the truth. They did choose sides, but pretended to be unbiased and objective. They became the mouthpiece for the Democratic Party, although they still won't admit it. Not that admitting anything will help their ratings, since we've known the truth for decades, but it will be good for their evil left wing souls. They can come to terms with their demise and be at peace.

26 posted on 01/12/2005 8:07:58 AM PST by Batrachian
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To: NutCrackerBoy

Now this is odd!!

I did a search for "The 'Media Party' is over" and nothing came up!!

But still...Sorry.


27 posted on 01/12/2005 8:08:14 AM PST by I Gig Gar (Is civil conversation too much to ask?)
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To: I Gig Gar

The underlying premise of Fineman's article is that the MSM is objective -- and that the space for objective press is shrinking. I don't think anyone at the FR would agree with his assertion that the MSM is objective.


28 posted on 01/12/2005 8:08:56 AM PST by Patti_ORiley
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To: onyx
It was posted YESTERDAY, not a few minutes ago!

Still should only be posted once.

29 posted on 01/12/2005 8:09:10 AM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: onyx

Here is a link to the search I performed (Still not showing this article). Maybe you can tell me what I did wrong?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=themediapartyisover


30 posted on 01/12/2005 8:10:23 AM PST by I Gig Gar (Is civil conversation too much to ask?)
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To: NutCrackerBoy


Get real.
Duplicate posts are permitted here when separated
by a differing date or 8-12 hours, but perhaps you
enjoy being a thread nanny?


31 posted on 01/12/2005 8:12:47 AM PST by onyx
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To: I Gig Gar

I'll go have a try...lol.


32 posted on 01/12/2005 8:13:20 AM PST by onyx
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To: Borges
For better or worse, the U.S. media is become more like Europe. Where you have newspapers that declare their allegiances off the bat and go from there.

Except that they haven't declared anyhting yet. They still try to trick people by denying that they aret left wing rags.

33 posted on 01/12/2005 8:15:30 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: I Gig Gar

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?m=all;o=time;s=the%20media%20party%20is%20over


But listen, YOU did NOTHING wrong.
The other posting was YESTERDAY at
approx. 10:00PM.

That posting had 1,038 viewings.

Yours already has over 540!

Without your posting, I would have missed this column.



34 posted on 01/12/2005 8:16:24 AM PST by onyx
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To: NutCrackerBoy
It was posted YESTERDAY, not a few minutes ago!

Still should only be posted once.

And I should be taller.........what's your point?

35 posted on 01/12/2005 8:16:31 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Liberalism has metastasized into a dangerous neurosis which threatens the nation's security)
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To: I Gig Gar
The [American Mainstream Media Party], meanwhile, is regarded with ever growing suspicion by American voters, viewers and readers, who increasingly turn for information and analysis only to non-AMMP outlets that tend to reinforce the sectarian views of discrete slices of the electorate.
. . . as opposed to the MsM, which reinforces the sectarian views of - the MsM. Specifically, the view that nothing actually matters except PR.
Yes, I know: A purely objective viewpoint does not exist in the cosmos or in politics.
What's with the "purely?" Claiming to be objective is claiming to be wise, and claiming to be wise is arrogant, as only a journalist writing in his own paper or on his own radio station can be.
Yes, I know: Today's  media foodfights are mild compared with the viciousness of pamphleteers and partisan newspapers of old, from colonial times forward. Yes, I know: The notion of a neutral "mainstream" national media gained a dominant following only in World War II and in its aftermath, when what turned out to be a temporary moderate consensus came to govern the country.
When your opposition is politically crippled, you think you are moderate because nobody points out limitations in your thinking.
Still, the notion of a neutral, non-partisan mainstream press was, to me at least, worth holding onto. Now it's pretty much dead, at least as the public sees things.
Story selection - what's the lead, and what's on page A13, and what's not even in the paper - is in the eye of the beholder. And there's nothing "neutral" about those decisions. That makes a mockery of "the notion of a neutral, non-partisan mainstream press."

36 posted on 01/12/2005 8:16:38 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: I Gig Gar

Maybe they could restore their credibility by auditioning for American Idol.


37 posted on 01/12/2005 8:17:47 AM PST by MikeHu
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To: Balding_Eagle; NutCrackerBoy

He has no valid point.
Just being a thread nanny.

The first posting has a grand total of 35 replies.

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh.


38 posted on 01/12/2005 8:18:51 AM PST by onyx
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To: I Gig Gar
Now the AMMP is reeling, and not just from the humiliation of CBS News. We have a president who feels it's almost a point of honor not to hold more press conferences — he's held far fewer than any modern predecessor — and doesn't seem to agree that the media has any "right" to know what's really going in inside his administration.

The MSM "creates" the news it wants to report, or twists the facts of what is said or done by the Administration. So, why should President Bush give these morons more ammunition? That is what is truly eating at the MSM. Because Bush doesn't give them additional data on which to create more lies, with the availability of the internet, they know the lies they do create are soon obliterated.

39 posted on 01/12/2005 8:24:38 AM PST by LoneSome Journey
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To: Borges
For better or worse, the U.S. media is become more like Europe. Where you have newspapers that declare their allegiances off the bat and go from there.
That is what we once had, and what we need. In such a melieu, no one has any illusions that there is a magic potion which is or should be poured over the whole newspaper, except for the editorial page. In reality the editorial page is only there to "position" the rest of the newspaper as not being like the editorial page.

40 posted on 01/12/2005 8:24:43 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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