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An American Story
NY Sun ^ | January 12, 2005 | Seth Lipsky

Posted on 01/12/2005 11:45:45 AM PST by Interesting Times

As the special report on the scandal at CBS and "60 Minutes" was circulating around town, I was at a long-scheduled editorial dinner with the leader of the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth, John O'Neill. Among the guests at the table was Jerry Corsi, co-author, with Mr. O'Neill, of the book that halted Senator Kerry's surge in the polls, "Unfit for Command." The Swiftboat Veterans for Truth is the 527 group that ran the advertisements on television and the Internet that so startled the American people and, many believe, did as much as any other single factor in delivering a second term to the president.

I've attended at a lot of editorial dinners over the years, but it is hard to recall one as enjoyable - or illuminating - as the sitting with Mr. O'Neill. One can call the story of the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth the flip side of the tarnished coin of CBS. One was the vaunted network that flubbed the story of a generation. The other was a true band of brothers, professional newsmen not, who had a story that none of the big institutions wanted. They put it on the air themselves with the contributions of more than 150,000 ordinary Americans and discovered that it resonated powerfully with an electorate that had grown tired of being treated with cynicism.

(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: americans; bringingithome; jerrycorsi; johnfondakerry; johnkerry; johnoneill; kerrylied; pows; realheroes; swiftboatveterans; swiftvets; xmasincambodia
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Nice wrapup story featuring John O'Neill and Jerry Corsi.

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1 posted on 01/12/2005 11:45:47 AM PST by Interesting Times
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To: Howlin; eddie willers; cajungirl; wirestripper; Southflanknorthpawsis; Peach; prairiebreeze; ...

k-k-k-Kerry and the vets...


2 posted on 01/12/2005 11:46:52 AM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times

The vets couldn't save their fellow man in VN, Cambodia, and adjoining countries, but this time they saved the world.


3 posted on 01/12/2005 11:50:15 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: Interesting Times
I believe that Lockhart's involvement was the JFKerry's campaign attempt to use the fake President Bush story as a method of responding to SwiftBoatVets.

The liberal way is always change the subject.

NOT one negative word from the speech god himself, McCain, about trashing President Bush. So much for some war heroes.
4 posted on 01/12/2005 11:51:16 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: OldFriend

Not only that, but recall in the Rathergate report that Mapes wanted to run this story a week before the election. I would bet that the pressure the Swifties were putting on the Kerry campaign drove CBS to put out the story much earlier, to try and focus the spotlight on Bush instead. It instead blew up in their faces, and kept Kerry out of the spotlight for at least two more weeks.


5 posted on 01/12/2005 11:52:45 AM PST by dirtboy (To make a pearl, you must first irritate an oyster)
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To: Interesting Times

www.bugmenot.com


6 posted on 01/12/2005 11:52:54 AM PST by Bush_Democrat (Now EX-Democrat)
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To: Interesting Times

and we're not done yet...a little matter of the Traitor's reelection to the Senate...

It over 'til the fat lady sings! LOL

Semper Fi,
Kelly


7 posted on 01/12/2005 11:53:03 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Interesting Times
God bless the Swifties and all the other Vietnam veterans groups that, in their own way, got out the truth about Hanoi Johnny boy.

They saved our country from a traitor who hates it and took a giant leap toward correcting the twisted version of the Vietnam war being spoon fed to our youth by a public school system run by his cohorts.

After the first ad ran, I began having 17-24 year-olds asking for information about what really happened in Vietnam and at home. I'm sure others had similar experiences.

8 posted on 01/12/2005 11:56:53 AM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: dirtboy

Was it this story or the story about the ammo dump that CeeBS planning on running right before the election but the NYSlimes beat them to it in their paper?


9 posted on 01/12/2005 12:02:07 PM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: Interesting Times

BTTT!!!!!!


10 posted on 01/12/2005 12:03:10 PM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Interesting Times
The Good, the bad...

..and the UGLY!

11 posted on 01/12/2005 12:04:38 PM PST by MarineBrat (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools!)
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To: cake_crumb
The Killing Fields by Dith Pran would be a good place to start to educate our students.

If I am not mistaken he was murdered a few years ago.

He had been an invited guest at my daughter's school and spoke to the students.

12 posted on 01/12/2005 12:06:34 PM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: Interesting Times

Swiftboat Veterans for Truth ~ Bump!


13 posted on 01/12/2005 12:13:47 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Interesting Times

(NY SUN..not the Post)..O'Neill makes clear that he and his fellow vets were in it for the vets ..not the politics. Cynics cannot grasp this..

They "corrected" Kerry's record, exposed his character,exposed his lies, and treachery, restoring the honor Kerry trampled on and tried to destroy all those years ago when he called them the army of Ghengis Khan.

I am forever grateful.


14 posted on 01/12/2005 12:14:20 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Bush_Democrat

http://www.bugmenot.com./


15 posted on 01/12/2005 12:16:39 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: OldFriend

I recommend both the book and the movie. As far as I know, Dith Pran is still alive, though I rmember a rumor of his death back in 2000.


16 posted on 01/12/2005 12:18:52 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: OldFriend
Was it this story or the story about the ammo dump that CeeBS planning on running right before the election but the NYSlimes beat them to it in their paper?

From what I have read, it was this story. I can only guess that the Swifties forced CBS to move up the air date.

17 posted on 01/12/2005 12:19:08 PM PST by dirtboy (To make a pearl, you must first irritate an oyster)
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To: Interesting Times

Excellent! :-)


18 posted on 01/12/2005 12:20:06 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: MEG33
(NY SUN..not the Post)...

Thanks...

19 posted on 01/12/2005 12:20:33 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks for the ping!


20 posted on 01/12/2005 12:27:40 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: kellynla; Interesting Times; All

"and we're not done yet...a little matter of the Traitor's reelection to the Senate..."

No need to wait for re-election!

Hanoi Kerry is NOT a legitimate US Senator.

Never has been!

The traitor is doing the same thing he has always done.

Aiding the enemy!

Kerry Trashes Bush in Baghdad Jan 05

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1315333/posts

Kerry Meets With Syrian President Jan 05

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1316737/posts

PM SHARON MEETS WITH KERRY Jan 05

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1317636/posts

Don't be like the Silent Majority in the 60's and 70's
Demand Kerry be ousted from the US Senate!

There is no need to impeach Hanoi Kerry from the US Senate

He is there illegally!

Kerry was an illegal candidate
and is an illegal US Senator per
US Constitution 14th Amendment Section 3

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1314858/posts

Contact the GOP controlled US Senate
AND
The MAIN STREAM RIGHT WING MEDIA

Distribute these url's!

EXPOSE HANOI KERRY!

Full details on these url's!

http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html

There is a backup site
if the 1st url is unavailable.

http://stophanoikerry.150m.com



21 posted on 01/12/2005 12:30:17 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (US Senate AND Main Stream Right Wing Media READ US Constitution 14th Amendment Section 3)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks Tonk!
Glad to see you continue to keep the pressure on!

Happy New Year!

Semper Fi,
Kelly


22 posted on 01/12/2005 12:35:54 PM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Interesting Times
I think the Swifties' saga is the most compelling and interesting single story of this or any other campaign I've ever been involved in.

I hope someone writes a book about this effort with all the details. I'm still fascinated by the skillful power put forth by the veterans and all helping hands across the nation, such as your work, Interesting Times.

Do you think such a book would earn a review by the pecksniffs at the New York Slimes?

Heheh.

Leni

23 posted on 01/12/2005 12:36:28 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: Interesting Times

Bump!


24 posted on 01/12/2005 12:43:12 PM PST by The Mayor (When trouble overtakes you, let God take over)
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To: OldFriend

Haing Ngor, the man who portrayed Pran in The Killing Fields, was murdered in L.A. a few years ago.


25 posted on 01/12/2005 12:51:20 PM PST by A. Goodwin
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To: kellynla

"Glad to see you continue to keep the pressure on!"

Too bad the Main Stream Right Wing media give Hanoi Kerry a free pass.

I guess they think they can ignore the US Constitution like the Left Wing Media do.


26 posted on 01/12/2005 12:53:09 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (US Senate AND Main Stream Right Wing Media READ US Constitution 14th Amendment Section 3)
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To: MarineBrat
Nice graphic! (The 2nd one didn't load)

I happened across the McLaughlin Group recently, and decided to torture myself by watching. It was a "best of" show that elicited responses from the group members on various notable point from 2004.

The funniest one (to me) was when they asked O'Donnell his Yew Year resolutions. He replied something to the extent that he was going to limit his use of the word "Liar", and then proceeded to rant about references to O'Neil being an exception!
27 posted on 01/12/2005 12:57:03 PM PST by rockrr (Revote or Revolt! It's up to you Washington!)
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To: A. Goodwin

So how come there is a book on Amazon called....The Death and Life of Dith Pran?


28 posted on 01/12/2005 1:03:28 PM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: cake_crumb
There is a book on Amazon.....The Death and Life of Dith Pran.

I am confused about this and have not read the book.

29 posted on 01/12/2005 1:04:49 PM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
"Too bad the Main Stream Right Wing media give Hanoi Kerry a free pass."

ALL of the mass media gave Kerry a pass, with the exception of Shawn Hannity.

30 posted on 01/12/2005 1:07:55 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: OldFriend
The screenplay for The Killing Fields was an adaptation of The Death and Life of Dith Pran
31 posted on 01/12/2005 1:14:50 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: rockrr

>>Nice graphic! (The 2nd one didn't load)

Aarg! Oh well, I guess my bandwidth is catching up on me at ImageShack. It was Kerry playing his guitar on the plane, where I had added signs above the windows saying "No Stairway to Heaven playing allowed".


32 posted on 01/12/2005 1:18:56 PM PST by MarineBrat (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools!)
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To: sinkspur; Interesting Times
As the special report on the scandal at CBS and "60 Minutes" was circulating around town, I was at a long-scheduled editorial dinner with the leader of the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth, John O'Neill. Among the guests at the table was Jerry Corsi, co-author, with Mr. O'Neill, of the book that halted Senator Kerry's surge in the polls, "Unfit for Command."

For your files.

Regards,

TS

33 posted on 01/12/2005 1:23:23 PM PST by The Shrew (www.swiftvets.com & www.wintersoldier.com - The Truth Shall Set YOU Free!)
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To: Interesting Times; ALOHA RONNIE; mhking; Vets_Husband_and_Wife; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; ...

Wish I could have been there!


34 posted on 01/12/2005 1:25:01 PM PST by JLO
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To: Interesting Times
i'm NOT FONDA HANOI-john!

swift boat vets forever; slimy litttle DIMocRATS never!

free dixie,sw

35 posted on 01/12/2005 2:09:56 PM PST by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: cake_crumb

"ALL of the mass media gave Kerry a pass, with the exception of Shawn Hannity."

Hannity is calling for Hanoi Kerry to removed from the
US Senate per US Constitution 14th Amendment Section 3?

Is there a link for this on FOX?

I don't even waste time with FOX anymore.

I hope you are right.


36 posted on 01/12/2005 3:36:43 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (US Senate AND Main Stream Right Wing Media READ US Constitution 14th Amendment Section 3)
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To: Bush_Democrat
"www.bugmenot.com"

Neat-o!  !

37 posted on 01/12/2005 5:59:06 PM PST by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks for the ping. Good to see this in print.


38 posted on 01/12/2005 7:32:57 PM PST by zot (GWB -- four more years!)
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To: MinuteGal

I agree. Now, we're going to need a comparable effort in '08 from a group that has the courage to expose the corruption and depravity of Her Royal Highness, HRC, to again save the USA. This will perhaps be a more dangerous undertaking (pardon the pun...) that will be fought vigorously by what remains of the MSM whores and shills. FreeRepublic will be tasked to a key role in this campaign. We need to drive a stake through Dracula's heart.


39 posted on 01/13/2005 4:09:28 AM PST by astounded (We don't need no stinkin' rules of engagement...)
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To: A. Goodwin

Yes all to sad this man who survived Pol Pot & Co. fell victim to LA gangbangers:

Actor Haing Ngor found gunned down outside L.A. home
February 27, 1996
Web posted at: 12:50 a.m. EST

From Correspondent Jim Hill


LOS ANGELES (CNN) -- Dr. Haing S. Ngor, the actor best known for his Oscar-winning performance in "The Killing Fields," has been killed.

Los Angeles police say Ngor's body was found next to his car -- in the open parking garage of his house. They say he apparently was shot as he arrived home in the Chinatown section of Los Angeles Sunday evening.

There are conflicting reports about Ngor's age. The Los Angeles Coroner reports he was 55. However, Ngor's longtime publicist, Marion Rosenberg, said he was 45.

Ngor won an Academy Award in 1984 for his portrayal of Cambodian journalist Dith Pran, who barely survived the mass killing of the Pol Pot regime. Ngor himself was tortured by Pol Pot forces -- and dedicated his Oscar to the family he lost.

Pran now works as a news photographer for The New York Times, where he learned of Ngor's killing.

"He is like a twin with me," Pran said. "He is like a co- messenger and right now I am alone." (128K AIFF sound or 128K WAV sound)

In a 1993 interview with CNN, Ngor gave his perspective on the success he achieved.


"I have a house, I have everything, but I have no family," he said. "How rich you are, but you can't buy a happy family." (136K AIFF sound or 136K WAV sound)

But Ngor's money did buy help for the people of Cambodia. Actor-producer Matt Salinger says that Ngor -- a doctor by training -- supported two clinics and a school in his Southeast Asian home country.

"He had a largeness of heart that was all encompassing," Salinger said.

Ngor was never trained in acting, but he won roles in a number of films and television series, including Oliver Stone's "Between Heaven and Earth." (128K AIFF sound or 128K WAV sound)

Investigators say they have no suspects or motive in Ngor's killing. They say he carried a wallet and money, but neither was taken. Ngor clearly had political enemies from his activities in Cambodia, something police were said to be checking.

Those who knew Ngor see a sad irony in his death -- that a man who had survived so much in his native Cambodia would be killed outside his home in the United States.





Gang members convicted in Haing Ngor murder

Ngor
April 16, 1998
Web posted at: 3:48 p.m. EDT (1948 GMT)
LOS ANGELES (CNN) -- Three gang members were found guilty Thursday of the 1996 robbery-murder of Haing Ngor, the Oscar- winning actor from Cambodia.

Three separate juries found Tak Sun Tan, 21, Jason Chan, 20, and Indra Lim, 20; guilty of first-degree murder and second- degree robbery.

The three gang members were charged with killing Ngor during a robbery in an alley behind his Chinatown area apartment in February 1996.

Ngor, who escaped from Cambodia in 1980, won an Academy Award for the 1984 film "The Killing Fields," in which he drew on his first-hand experience in Cambodia during the rule of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge


40 posted on 01/13/2005 11:28:00 AM PST by robowombat
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks for the ping. We are all forever in your debt.

But, keep all your notes...Kerry is said to having a makeover and will try for the Whitehouse again.


41 posted on 01/13/2005 5:32:01 PM PST by tuckrdout (I try to take one day at a time -- but sometimes several days attack me at once.)
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To: robowombat

"They say he carried a wallet and money, but neither was taken. Ngor clearly had political enemies from his activities in Cambodia, something police were said to be checking."

"The three gang members were charged with killing Ngor during a robbery in an alley behind his Chinatown area apartment in February 1996."

Ummmm....huh?


42 posted on 01/13/2005 11:55:02 PM PST by dsc
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To: dsc

On the 25 February, 1996, Dr Haing S Ngor was gunned down in front of the Chinatown apartment he used in Los Angeles. Just two days later, three 19-year-old boys, members of a local gang, were arrested and charged with the murder, which was apparently a simple robbery gone wrong. Haing was shot after refusing to hand over a locket, holding a photo of his late wife.

A wasted life? Not if you take the words of Haing himself. In an interview with the New York Times on the subject of The Killing Fields, Haing is quoted as having said:

"If I die from now on, OK! This film will go on for a hundred years."

- Dr Haing S Ngor - 1950-1996


43 posted on 01/14/2005 8:19:07 PM PST by Liberty Wins (Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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To: dsc

A courageous, tragic figure. Haing, a doctor and obstetrician, was forced to look on helplessly as his wife died during premature labour following a beating received from Khmer Rouge soldiers.

Read more at:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/hub/A842979


44 posted on 01/14/2005 8:23:39 PM PST by Liberty Wins (Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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To: Liberty Wins

Another murder to be laid at the door of leftism.

Truly, "liberals'" hands drip with the blood of the innocent.


45 posted on 01/14/2005 9:16:27 PM PST by dsc
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To: Liberty Wins

So, they panicked and didn't take his wallet and money? Could happen, I guess.


46 posted on 01/14/2005 9:17:17 PM PST by dsc
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To: MEG33

And let us not forget, O'Neill's mission had been to expose Kerry's VN lies for at least 30 years.


47 posted on 01/15/2005 7:04:21 AM PST by lonestar (Me, too!--Weinie)
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To: lonestar

Indeed..


48 posted on 01/15/2005 7:17:46 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: JesseJane
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49 posted on 01/15/2005 7:56:51 AM PST by JesseJane (KERRY: I have had conversations with leaders, yes, recently.That's not your business, it's mine.)
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To: MarineBrat

Video link to O'Neill / Lawerence O'Donnell (eh)"interview". They should've jerked O'Donnell off his chair and threw him out of the building on the spot.

http://www.dailyrecycler.com/blog/2004/10/breakdown.html


50 posted on 01/15/2005 8:07:05 AM PST by JesseJane (KERRY: I have had conversations with leaders, yes, recently.That's not your business, it's mine.)
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