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Germany adopts law to allow downing of hijacked planes
Khaleej Times ^ | January 12 2005

Posted on 01/12/2005 11:55:19 AM PST by knighthawk

BERLIN - A controversial new bill signed into law Wednesday will allow the German air force to shoot down hijacked planes on federal government orders.

German president Horst Koehler signed the legislation but said he had serious reservations. He called for Germany’s Federal Constitutional Court to examine the new law.

Koehler pointed out that the German constitution already permitted the armed forces to defend air space over the country. However, until now the orders for this had to come from one the 16 federal states - not the federal government, he added.

Opposition leaders from the Christian Democratic alliance (CDU/CSU) have also expressed concern over the new law and said they would back a legal complaint in the Constitutional Court.

The law was passed by Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder’s centre-left government in reaction to the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the US and after an apparently deranged man buzzed skyscrapers in Frankfurt with an ultralight aircraft in January 2003.

German air force jets were send out to intercept the plane which landed without causing damage. After this incident political leaders had criticised that air force pilots lacked legal protection should they be ordered to bring down an aircraft.


TOPICS: Germany; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: down; germany; hijacked; planes; shootdown

1 posted on 01/12/2005 11:55:21 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: MizSterious; rebdov; Nix 2; green lantern; BeOSUser; Brad's Gramma; dreadme; Turk2; keri; ...

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2 posted on 01/12/2005 11:55:48 AM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: knighthawk
So this is how they deal with Terrorism?
3 posted on 01/12/2005 11:56:17 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell ("Hi, I'm Richard Gere and I'm speaking for the entire world. -Richard Gere)
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To: Gabrielle Reilly; 7.62 x 51mm

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4 posted on 01/12/2005 11:56:24 AM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

What's your beef with how the Germans handle hijacked aircraft?


5 posted on 01/12/2005 12:01:33 PM PST by gradient_salient
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To: knighthawk
Opposition leaders from the Christian Democratic alliance (CDU/CSU) have also expressed concern over the new law and said they would back a legal complaint in the Constitutional Court.

Sigh. Even Germany has nutty Democrats who want to facilitate the jihadists' mission to destroy civilization.

6 posted on 01/12/2005 12:02:19 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Umm, the CDU/CSU is the German equivalent of the Republican Party. The SPD is the equivalent of the Democrats.


7 posted on 01/12/2005 12:04:55 PM PST by gradient_salient
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To: knighthawk

Seems like they are reacting to 911 in slow motion.


8 posted on 01/12/2005 12:07:02 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: knighthawk
"The law was passed by Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder’s centre-left government in reaction to the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the US and after an apparently deranged man buzzed skyscrapers in Frankfurt with an ultralight aircraft in January 2003.

German air force jets were send out to intercept the plane which landed without causing damage"

That must've been one hell of a slow chase for those jets. Those suckers aren't very fast.


9 posted on 01/12/2005 12:07:17 PM PST by Textide
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To: Textide

I'm glad you can tell a jet from a prop-job. :)


10 posted on 01/12/2005 12:08:34 PM PST by gradient_salient
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To: knighthawk
Erich Hartmann - Top Ace of of All Time - 352 aerial victories

Major Erich Hartmann

http://www.acepilots.com/misc_hartmann.html

11 posted on 01/12/2005 12:19:13 PM PST by ross_poldark
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To: LauraleeBraswell

You are thinking pre-911 when you could safely assume that the terrorists would safely land the plane. Now you have to assume that the terrorists will use the plane as a weapon and the best thing to do is destroy the weapon before it kills more people.


12 posted on 01/12/2005 12:46:27 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: ross_poldark

Germany had the top aces in both World War One and Two.


13 posted on 01/12/2005 3:08:35 PM PST by free_european
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Im pretty certain the USAF is authorised to shoot down hijacked planes in the US if neccessary also. Not a nice thing, but perhaps now needed.


14 posted on 01/12/2005 3:10:31 PM PST by free_european
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To: free_european
Yes, Manfred Freiherr von Richthofen was the top ace in WWI, of course.

Hartmann flew with the Luftwaffe after the war and flew the F-86. He conducted training missions in New Mexico or Arizona in the late 1950s. By all accounts, he was ein guter Kamerad.

15 posted on 01/12/2005 3:14:39 PM PST by ross_poldark
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To: free_european

The top American ace of WWI was Eddie Rickenbacker. His niece sketched a very nice pencil portrait of my mother when she was around 10 years old.


16 posted on 01/12/2005 3:17:25 PM PST by ross_poldark
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To: ross_poldark

My great grandfather flew in the First World War for Britain, he was of the opinion that the air war in WWI was the last one fought by gentlemen as gentlemen.


17 posted on 01/12/2005 3:23:24 PM PST by free_european
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To: ross_poldark

Red Baron bump.


18 posted on 01/12/2005 3:26:13 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: free_european

Yes, I would agree with him. Warfare has been increasingly barbaric ever since. Winston Churchill commented in the same vein regarding WWI, something along the line of "War used to be terrible but glorious, but science has made it miserable and bloody."


19 posted on 01/12/2005 3:28:12 PM PST by ross_poldark
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To: free_european

The WWI air war being a gentlemen's affair reminds me of Hartmann's surrender at the end of WWII. He landed his Bf109 on an American fighter strip, got out and was mobbed for autographs.


20 posted on 01/12/2005 3:32:17 PM PST by ross_poldark
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To: ross_poldark

That's a great story! Thanks for that.


21 posted on 01/12/2005 3:35:29 PM PST by free_european
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To: gradient_salient

Whatever. They're the party that wants to let hijacked planes be used as bombs to kill thousands of people, instead of shooting them down and losing a couple hundred people. That makes them nutty in my book. We already saw what these hijackers can do with the WTC. Would any sane person suggest, knowing what we know now, that it wouldn't have been better to shoot down those planes? Which, by the way, flew through the airspace of 4 different states on their way to the WTC. So no, leaving the shoot-down decisions up to state governments, which don't exactly have their own fighter jet squadrons, is hardly a sane alternative.


22 posted on 01/12/2005 3:49:55 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: gradient_salient; GovernmentShrinker

Maybe a bit late, but may I clarify this? The CDU/CSU wants to complain at the Constitutional Court because the law lacks a legal basis in the constitution, they say that the parliament has no power to make such a law allowing the killing of innocent airplane passengers. The CDU/CSU rather wants a change of the constitution (majorities for that won´t be a problem, since all big parties support such a law).


23 posted on 01/17/2005 8:31:31 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: GovernmentShrinker

"state governments, which don't exactly have their own fighter jet squadrons."

What was George W. flying in the Texas Air National Guard. A kite?


24 posted on 01/17/2005 12:24:49 PM PST by ALinArleta (One shot! One kill!)
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