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Republican to Lead Immigration Revolt Against Bush
Reuters ^ | Jan 12, 2005 | Alan Elsner

Posted on 01/12/2005 12:50:36 PM PST by GOPXtreme20

Republican to Lead Immigration Revolt Against Bush

By Alan Elsner

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Republican member of the House of Representatives vowed on Wednesday to lead a revolt against President Bush (news - web sites)'s immigration reform proposals and predicted that up to 180 party members would support him.

Bush in an interview with the Washington Times published on Wednesday said he plans to force a debate in Congress this year on his proposal that would allow some illegal immigrants to obtain legal work permits in the United States.

Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo, who heads the House Immigration Reform Caucus, said he was determined to block the legislation. The caucus, which had 71 members in the last Congress, argues for stronger action to stop illegal immigration and a reduction of legal migration.

"Why is this so important to the president?" Tancredo said. "Is it just the corporate interests who benefit from cheap labor? Do they have such a strong grip on our president so that he is actually willing to put our nation at risk, because open borders do put our nation at risk?

"Is it petulance, because we were able to stop it in the last Congress? Why is it so important to give amnesty to people who have broken the law?" Tancredo said.

"I'm willing to lead a fight against this and I would say there are at least 180 members of our Republican caucus who are willing at least to stop amnesty for illegal immigrants," he told Reuters in a telephone interview.

Bush has repeatedly said he views immigration reform as an important issue for his second term. In the Washington Times interview, he said it was near the top of his agenda.

"Look, whether or not you agree with the solution or not, we have a problem in America when you've got 8 million undocumented workers here," he said.

BUSH CONFIDENCE

Bush expressed confidence he could win over opponents, as he did in passing tax reform during his first term. "Initially out of the box, some people said, over my dead body would they pass tax relief ... If I listened to all that, I'd just quit, you know. But that's not the way I think."

But analysts agree that immigration reform could be much more divisive for Republicans since growing numbers of rank-and-file voters are becoming concerned at the continued influx of illegal immigrants across the Mexican border.

"No issue, not one, threatens to do more damage to the Republican coalition than immigration," said David Frum, a former White House speech writer in Bush's first term.

"There's no issue where the beliefs and interests of the party rank-and-file diverge more radically from the beliefs and interests of the party's leaders," he wrote in the National Review last month.

Bush insists he is not offering amnesty to illegal immigrants but Tancredo said that was a "manipulation of language, the kind of thing (former President) Bill Clinton would have done. There is an issue of integrity here and an issue of honesty," he said.


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1 posted on 01/12/2005 12:50:36 PM PST by GOPXtreme20
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To: GOPXtreme20
Rep. Tom Tancredo, I am a staunch broken glass republican and you have my belssing. I love our president but he is plain wrong on this one. This illegal alien stuff and our pourous borders will be our undoing as a nation.

Hang tough, full speed ahead, we are on YOUR SIDE of this issue Rep. Tancredo

2 posted on 01/12/2005 12:55:27 PM PST by Jmouse007 ("Negotiate and die!" Brought to you by "Islam the Religion of Peace tm")
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To: GOPXtreme20
Tancredo should expect another phone call from Rove of the "never darken the doorstep of the White House again" variety before long.

And hopefully Tom will tell him where he can stick his empty threat. ....just like he did the first time.

4 posted on 01/12/2005 12:57:12 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: GOPXtreme20

bump


5 posted on 01/12/2005 12:57:36 PM PST by blackeagle
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To: GOPXtreme20

Yep, Bush is wrong on this. It may be right when he was running Texas but it not right for all of US!


6 posted on 01/12/2005 12:58:00 PM PST by funkywbr
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To: Mr. Mojo

Go Tom


7 posted on 01/12/2005 12:58:08 PM PST by The Teen Conservative (Taglines really get me worked up to write something in them for nothin', y'know?)
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To: rocksblues

bump


8 posted on 01/12/2005 12:59:35 PM PST by rocksblues (Sgt. Rafael Peralta, American Hero, Everyone should know his name.)
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To: GOPXtreme20
"Why is this so important to the president?" Tancredo said. "Is it just the corporate interests who benefit from cheap labor? Do they have such a strong grip on our president so that he is actually willing to put our nation at risk, because open borders do put our nation at risk?

leftist democrats and one issue immigration Republicans, same coin different sides.

leftist democrats hate business becuase it creates wealth and prosperity, one issue Republicans hate that same business becuase it doesn't employ the right kind of people.

9 posted on 01/12/2005 12:59:58 PM PST by Dane (trial lawyers are the parasites to wealth creating society)
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To: GOPXtreme20

:::::APPLAUDING:::::::!!
Tancredo is no girlie man. God Bless and God speed!! Finally a true REPUBLICAN and one after my own heart!


11 posted on 01/12/2005 1:01:14 PM PST by stopem
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To: GOPXtreme20

I voted for Bush and generally support him, but on this issue he is dead wrong. He will make Tom Tancredo a National Hero and popular figure with his obstinence on this subject.

My personal feelings on this is that Bush is trying to lay the ground work for Jeb Bush in the future by catering to the Hispanic vote.

But even THAT doesn;t make sense as rank and file Hispanic voters have indicated time and again that special treatment for illegal invaders is not a priority issue for them, and in many cases they oppose it entirely.

WAKE UP GEORGE BUSH!!!


12 posted on 01/12/2005 1:01:29 PM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: All; ALIPAC
Mega Dittos to Tom Tancredo!!

I also support President Bush 100% in many areas, but not here, at all.

13 posted on 01/12/2005 1:02:16 PM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: Dane
one issue immigration Republicans

You think that the 180+ House Republicans that will be supporting Tancredo in this matter are all single-issue politicians?

14 posted on 01/12/2005 1:03:54 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: GOPXtreme20

This could be the issue that puts Hillary in the White House.


15 posted on 01/12/2005 1:03:57 PM PST by Chuckster ("Silence is not golden. It is yellow" Senator Zell Miller)
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To: ZULU
But even THAT doesn;t make sense as rank and file Hispanic voters have indicated time and again that special treatment for illegal invaders is not a priority issue for them, and in many cases they oppose it entirely

What special treatment? They aren't going to get citizenship, just the privilage to pick vegetables or clean toilets, that native born Americans on welfare refuse to do.

16 posted on 01/12/2005 1:03:57 PM PST by Dane (trial lawyers are the parasites to wealth creating society)
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To: GOPXtreme20
Bush expressed confidence he could win over opponents, as he did in passing tax reform during his first term. "Initially out of the box, some people said, over my dead body would they pass tax relief ... If I listened to all that, I'd just quit, you know. But that's not the way I think." <<<

This aint tax relief Bush.

We the LEGAL People, the Citizens of the USA, are sick and tired of supporting illegals, having illegals commit crimes against us, illegals taking jobs (who says we don't want them?).

Bush will NOT win this one, not if I can help it. I'd even go one step further and ask for legislation that would "head 'em up, and move 'em out!
17 posted on 01/12/2005 1:04:18 PM PST by hushpad (Come on baby. . .Don't fear the FReeper. . .)
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To: Jmouse007

Good, how can we help?


18 posted on 01/12/2005 1:04:28 PM PST by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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To: Mr. Mojo
You think that the 180+ House Republicans that will be supporting Tancredo in this matter are all single-issue politicians?

JMO, Tancredo isn't immune to using hyperbole on his pet issue.

19 posted on 01/12/2005 1:05:00 PM PST by Dane (trial lawyers are the parasites to wealth creating society)
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To: GOPXtreme20
up to 180 party members would support him.

If they've got any guts.

20 posted on 01/12/2005 1:05:12 PM PST by StoneColdGOP (Better to have government by the masses than government by the asses.)
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To: GOPXtreme20; Southack; mhking; All
I've thought long and hard about this illegal immigrant issue with the way Hillary! is trying to triangulate on the issue.

Our President wants to lead us down a path that we don't want to follow. I'm sure he's confident that he could get his proposal through if the GOP members in the House (forget the Senate) don't fight him on it. There's one issue that Bush wants dearly, and that's to fix the Social Security disaster.

Okay. Fine. House Republicans should attach a provision in any Social Security bill that includes strong measures against illegal immigration. They should also attach this same provision along with any spending or tax reform proposals.

Thoughts?


21 posted on 01/12/2005 1:05:41 PM PST by rdb3 (Real men don't whine. It's 2005 and everyone's gonna feel it this year.)
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To: GOPXtreme20
We put the wrong man in the Oval Office. We should have voted Tancredo for president, rather then Mr. 'Compassionate Conservative" weenie.
22 posted on 01/12/2005 1:05:41 PM PST by Stringfellow Hawke (#6: Be seeing you!)
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To: Chuckster
This could be the issue that puts Hillary in the White House.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

23 posted on 01/12/2005 1:06:10 PM PST by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: hushpad
illegals taking jobs (who says we don't want them?)

I surmise you will be the first in line tomorrow morning to take a janitorial or housekeeping position.

24 posted on 01/12/2005 1:06:44 PM PST by Dane (trial lawyers are the parasites to wealth creating society)
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To: Jmouse007

Looks like President Bush has give a potential 2008 Presidential candidate an issue with which to build a candidacy upon.


25 posted on 01/12/2005 1:06:53 PM PST by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: GOPXtreme20

I voted for Bush but I agree with Tancredo on this issue.


26 posted on 01/12/2005 1:07:14 PM PST by cassie22
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To: Dane

"What special treatment? They aren't going to get citizenship, just the privilage to pick vegetables or clean toilets, that native born Americans on welfare refuse to do."

Its OUR fualt if we permit people who can work on welfare not to do so.

As for the special treatment, WHO do you think will pay for their education, their medication, their hosiptal bills, etc????? Their employers??? Think again. YOU will, and so will I.

Further, creating a special underclass of exploited slave labor is hardly in the American tradition - at least recently anyway.

If we need more workers, raise the immigration quotas, but don't reward people who sneak across our borders with American jobs and free social services paid for by American tax-payers.

Bush is out of his head on this subject.


27 posted on 01/12/2005 1:07:59 PM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Dane

They're doing more than just picking veggies and cleaning toilets.


28 posted on 01/12/2005 1:08:22 PM PST by cassie22
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To: rdb3; Chuckster
I've thought long and hard about this illegal immigrant issue with the way Hillary! is trying to triangulate on the issue.

Could anybody post hillary's solution.

Anybody? Bueller?

29 posted on 01/12/2005 1:08:41 PM PST by Dane (trial lawyers are the parasites to wealth creating society)
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To: Dane

We can fix the part about Americans not being willing to work. End welfare. Thats about all it takes.


30 posted on 01/12/2005 1:08:48 PM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: ZULU
re: My personal feelings on this is that Bush is trying to lay the ground work for Jeb Bush in the future by catering to the Hispanic vote. )))

That's as plausible a theory as any. Frankly, I'm so perplexed by his disloyalty that I'd at least find a little comfort in your theory.

My own theory is that it's a Rich Guy's Servant Guilt. GW has probably had Mexican servants wiping his nose when he grew up. I see it among the golf set--they love to have cheap servants, but feel guilty about making someone else clean their toilets and generally act the slave, so their answer is to try to force everyone to Say It's OK.

These golf wives all say, "They're so sweet. It breaks my heart, how much they want work and how willing and humble and grateful they are...Oooo! I just love being queen of the manor, Scarlett O'Hara with all her grovelling servants! But I know other people disapprove, so I'll pass laws to make them approve."

Anyway, that's my own theory, based on the enraging condescension of the rich folks I happen to know...

31 posted on 01/12/2005 1:10:31 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: airborne
Looks like President Bush has give a potential 2008 Presidential candidate an issue with which to build a candidacy upon.

Outside of this forum and others like it, you will find most people are not obsessed to the point where they're about to keel over from an aneurysm when it comes to immigration.

Its funny, dozens of self professed "conservatives" on this site have already announced that they will vote for Hillary Clinton for President as long as she promises them she'll follow their agenda on immigration. Maybe these so called "conservatives" should switch to the Democrat party and get it over with or go join Pat Buchanan in the Reform Party.

32 posted on 01/12/2005 1:10:52 PM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: ZULU
If we need more workers, raise the immigration quotas, but don't reward people who sneak across our borders with American jobs and free social services paid for by American tax-payers

I agree, I would have voted for Proposition 200 in AZ., but face it these people are doing jobs most Americans snub their nose at, and I think it is better to try to bring sanity to the system and bring these people above ground instaed of the insanity we have now.

33 posted on 01/12/2005 1:12:33 PM PST by Dane (trial lawyers are the parasites to wealth creating society)
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To: Dane

I surmise you will be the first in line tomorrow morning to take a janitorial or housekeeping position.


If I were a high-school drop out, or had lost my job and could not find anything, had kids to feed, etc..I sure as heck WOULD take one of those jobs!

It's honest work for honest people that want to work..get Americans OFF WELFARE and into some of those jobs "no one wants"!!!


34 posted on 01/12/2005 1:13:11 PM PST by hushpad (Come on baby. . .Don't fear the FReeper. . .)
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To: Jmouse007
Agreed I supported Bush.... but on illegal aliens Bush is wrong!
35 posted on 01/12/2005 1:13:39 PM PST by tophat9000 (We didnít rise they sunk look at the blue, water filled, sink holes map (Mike Moore Fatass divots ?)
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To: Mamzelle
My own theory is that it's a Rich Guy's Servant Guilt. GW has probably had Mexican servants wiping his nose when he grew up. I see it among the golf set--they love to have cheap servants, but feel guilty about making someone else clean their toilets and generally act the slave, so their answer is to try to force everyone to Say It's OK

Whew, cue twilight zone music.

BTW, when are you going to apply for a dishwashing job at a restaurant or housekeeper at a hotel.

36 posted on 01/12/2005 1:14:59 PM PST by Dane (trial lawyers are the parasites to wealth creating society)
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To: Dane
They aren't going to get citizenship, just the privilage to pick vegetables or clean toilets

And a disproportionate number of them will commit violent crimes. 25% of American prison inmates are illegal aliens, in fact.

And of course we haven't addressed the issue of border security in a time of war -- tens of thousands of "special interest aliens" - aliens from Islamic nations with terrorist ties - have been apprehended at the borders since 9/11/01. Even if the apprehension rate is 30% (a very high estimate), the number of those that actually make it across is staggering.

37 posted on 01/12/2005 1:16:26 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Dane
Could anybody post hillary's solution.

Like any other Democrat, she doesn't have any solution. And, like any other Democrat, she wants the issue. One would be totally stupid to believe that Dems would do anything with illegals that would prevent them from coming. I also believe that this is one issue where one-issue "conservatives" would foolishly vote for her because she said she hates illegal immigrants.

Hillary! should not be allowed to take this issue. We, since we are in power, should take this on and fix it.


38 posted on 01/12/2005 1:16:53 PM PST by rdb3 (Real men don't whine. It's 2005 and everyone's gonna feel it this year.)
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To: hushpad
It's honest work for honest people that want to work..get Americans OFF WELFARE and into some of those jobs "no one wants"!!

And the new political messiah to some on FR, hillary is going to get these people off welfare?

39 posted on 01/12/2005 1:17:12 PM PST by Dane (trial lawyers are the parasites to wealth creating society)
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To: Stringfellow Hawke

Now, hold on a minute. History will look back on George W. Bush and see him as one of the most important presidents we have ever had. His vision for democracy in the world and having the guts to pull it off will change our future for the better, as well as millions of people in the Middle East. As for his immigration stance, he is dead wrong. I don't care if illegals have to live in the shadows forever. That is what they chose. No sympathy at all for those who disregard our laws and then want us to educate their children at the expense of our own.


40 posted on 01/12/2005 1:17:35 PM PST by teenyelliott (Why do we give Middle Eastern countries billions of dollars?)
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To: RKV

We can fix the part about Americans not being willing to work. End welfare. Thats about all it takes.

End Welfare and those Mexicans would not want to come over here. I know of what I speak, in W. Texas we have plenty of non-english speaking welfare, food stamp people.

They are not cleaning toilets, they are taking hand-outs.


41 posted on 01/12/2005 1:18:00 PM PST by hushpad (Come on baby. . .Don't fear the FReeper. . .)
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To: COEXERJ145
I am also worried about illegal immigration. It's bad business, IMHO.

And there ain't no way in h3!! I'm voting for the H-Beast!

42 posted on 01/12/2005 1:18:03 PM PST by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: rdb3
she(hillary) said she hates illegal immigrants

Quote please. She never said that.

43 posted on 01/12/2005 1:19:00 PM PST by Dane (trial lawyers are the parasites to wealth creating society)
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To: Dane

I hear the twilight zone music whenever I see you post.


44 posted on 01/12/2005 1:20:27 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Dane

"They aren't going to get citizenship, just the privilage to pick vegetables or clean toilets, that native born Americans on welfare refuse to do."

Don't forget masonry, carpentry, plumbing, electrician, truck-driver, fast food worker, land-scaping. Some of them are even Freepers.


45 posted on 01/12/2005 1:20:30 PM PST by dljordan
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To: GOPXtreme20
"Look, whether or not you agree with the solution or not, we have a problem in America when you've got 8 million undocumented workers here" --GW Bush

I despise the sanitized description, "undocumented workers". But it just occurred to me why it is such a bad term. It not only softens the term "illegal alien", but it allows for a lot of pfutzing around with numbers.

According to President Bush, there are 8 million "undocumented workers". But that very term obscures the fact there are probably twice as many more who are not "workers" but loafers, criminals, nonworking mothers and children who are not in the workforce. It allows these vast numbers to be ignored and not even be mentioned when spouting already appalling numbers!

Doesn't "8 million undocumented workers" sound so much more benign and unthreatening to America than "20 million illegal aliens"?

46 posted on 01/12/2005 1:22:03 PM PST by Gritty ("We do have immigration laws, apparently made for the sole purpose of flouting them-WF Buckley Jr.)
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To: Dane

And the new political messiah to some on FR, hillary is going to get these people off welfare?


Hillary is a liar and speaks from both sides of her mouth, I never said Hillary could do much of anything. That does not make Bush right on Amnesty for illegals.

If Mexicans want to come clean our toilets, that's fine with me, so long as they come over here legally. No Amnesty, Go back to Mexico, try again!


47 posted on 01/12/2005 1:22:15 PM PST by hushpad (Come on baby. . .Don't fear the FReeper. . .)
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To: Dane
Tingle to your own jingle. In my neck of the woods (which has an unemployment rate of 9%) the illegals do the landscaping and carpentry as well as House Slave for the Lady. Wages for construction jobs have taken a dive, and the employers prefer the illegals because the illegals are scared of exposure and are properly grovelling to da Kind Massa Padron. Once they have amnesy, the present illegals will lose these jobs to the illegals who come after, because the chief attraction of these workers is the very fact that they're illegal.

I'd like to see these employers in jail.

I'd like to see a legal theory developed to sue these employers for civil rights discrimination (discrimination against those of certain nat'l origins--like US citizens).

I'd like to see these employers in bright orange suits (and their damned lazy wives, too) picking up trash along the Blue Ridge Parkway.

As for my own work history, if it's any of your stupid business, I've done my share of LEGAL menial labor just exactly as you described.

Mow your own lawn. And tell your shiftless wife to scrub her own toilet.

48 posted on 01/12/2005 1:23:38 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mr. Mojo
And of course we haven't addressed the issue of border security in a time of war -- tens of thousands of "special interest aliens" - aliens from Islamic nations with terrorist ties - have been apprehended at the borders since 9/11/01. Even if the apprehension rate is 30% (a very high estimate), the number of those that actually make it across is staggering.

And when they don't have their guest worker card, they will deported and what is wrong with trying to document these people, I think it is a great idea.

Look this problem has been festering for 40 years and 8 million people are not going to be deported, JMO it is better to use a carrot to document the hardworking ones doing honest jobs(such as dishwashers etc.etc) and leave the rest of the resources to find the bad guys.

49 posted on 01/12/2005 1:24:07 PM PST by Dane (trial lawyers are the parasites to wealth creating society)
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To: Dane
Quote please. She never said that.

Okay. It was imbelishment on my part. Sorry. But if you'd click here, you'll see she did in fact say, "I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants."

"You know." Man, I hate when folx say that!


50 posted on 01/12/2005 1:24:16 PM PST by rdb3 (Real men don't whine. It's 2005 and everyone's gonna feel it this year.)
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