REPORT: ISRAELI ATTACK ON IRAN WOULD BE HARMFUL

menewsline.com ^ | Jan 12th, 05

[F14 Pilot]

TEL AVIV [MENL] -- An Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear facilities would pose greater risks than benefits, a report said.

The Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies said an Israeli attack on Iran would fail to either destroy all of its nuclear facilities or halt the program. The report said Teheran could retaliate by launching massive rocket and missile strikes on the Jewish state -- from either Iran or Lebanon.

"An overall assessment suggests that risks involved in an Israeli attack on the Iranian nuclear facilities outweigh the opportunities," the report, authored by Ephraim Kam, said. "An attack would have to take into consideration operational and other problems that are liable to impede success, while at the same time may spark an Iranian and international response, if only a limited one."

"Consequently, the conclusion is that Israel must permit the international community to make every possible effort to halt Iran's nuclear program by diplomatic means and to consign military steps to a last resort," the report added.

[inkling]

Yes, harmful to Iranians.

[F14 Pilot]

ping

[F14 Pilot]

to both sides

[evolved_rage]

A Hanukkah present for the world.

[anotherview]

If Israel or the U.S. don't stop the Iranian nuclear program there won't be an Israel. We (Israel) will have to try.

[handy old one]

He who has the largest weapon arsonal wins or keeps the enemy at bay. Now where is my 20,000,000 pound rocket launcer.

[embedded_rebel]

"The report said Teheran could retaliate by launching massive rocket and missile strikes on the Jewish state "

I guess they should wait until these missiles are nuclear tipped. /sarcasm off

[samadams2000]

Yes dropping 100 MOABs for us would hurt the Iranians. Those things are big and leave craters.

New world order where people can threaten and hurt you but that your attack would be "harmful".

[Smartass]

"REPORT: ISRAELI ATTACK ON IRAN WOULD BE HARMFUL"

YEP, IT SURE WOULD!!!

[bananarepublican23]

It's always something.
Ararat dies, but now Iran and Syria.
Never ends.

[bananarepublican23]

My family's neurotic enough I can't imagine being a jew in politics over there.

[Former Proud Canadian]

This "report" is DISINFORMATION.

[F14 Pilot]

what?

[Samurai_Jack]

REPORT: ISRAELI ATTACK ON IRAN WOULD BE HARMFUL

I would like to be the first to say...

NO SHIITE!!!

:-D

[kingsurfer]

I think it would be most harmful if they did not get the go ahead from Washington.

[claptrap]

One would hope that it would be "Precise, deadly and complete" and that there would be heaps of Iranian corpses to remove in the aftermath!

[Yasotay]

I think the United States would stop Israel, with force if necessary.

[kingsurfer]

It will only happen if the states says yes.
With the US (and Brits!) in Iraq it makes them a big target.

[Radix]

Standing still still and not acting is not seriously an option.

Take em out!

[Phsstpok]

I know officially believe that an Israeli attack on the Iranian nuclear facilities is 99% certain and 99% likely to eliminate or effectively neuter the Iranian genocidal plans for Israel.

I base my assessment 100% on this report saying that this would be a bad thing.

[mowkeka]

Nuclear Iranian Attack on Israel would also be harmful.

[Alouette]

Psyops.

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[Yasotay]

I did not even think about the Brits .... I guess the real question is who's trailing the Israeli sub(s) .... England and/or the US?

[kingsurfer]

The US. Our Navy is being starved of funding.

At the moment our Armed Forces have to use the same pot to piss in.

[Mat_Helm]

Oh yes, the old peace in our time speech with the paper in hand while the Germans built more Me 109's and Pannzers continued to roll off the assembly line. Half a century later we should let the Iranians build more centrifuges to refine more bomb grade material and buy more missles from Korea and Russia while they claim the right to nuke Israel and destroy the zionist nation just like Hitler claimed the right to the zudatinland? Wake up and smell what you are shuveling. Take out their nuclear program and take it out now and yes it will be messy but far better than the mess and loss of life if you wait and see later. The wait and seeiers will bust your ass every time. We waited and had Pearl Harbor 1941. Thanks to two Clinton administrations we waited after repeated attacks home and abroud and than had 911. No more waiting around sh*t it is time to act and act now and not wait for peace from those that want neither. The beatings began with Afganistan and Iraq and now comes Iran and Syria along with North Korea if they don't come to their senses quick.

[Former Proud Canadian]

The report says that an attack by Israel against Iranian nuclear facilities would, on balance, be counter-productive for Israel. The Iranians are supposed to read this and assume that it represents Israeli government thinking. They are meant to believe that the Israeli's, being rational, thoughtful people, will not attack because they think it is counter-productive.

The Israel's want them to believe this until the Star of David tail insignias appear over Iran.

[Yasotay]

I'm sorry to hear that, in Berlin I always respected the British soldiers that I met and trained with .... I imagine there's a few British submariners out there that would take a crack at it. I thought the Israeli bought German diesels .... our SSN guys must be either throwing fits or having fun.

[PhilDragoo]

Let us be perfectly clear.

Khatami and Khamenei are stalling while desperately constructing nuclear weapons to use against 1) Israel aka Little Satan; 2) America aka Great Satan; 3) all other "infidels"--"take a number".

The ONLY one "harmed" by ANYBODY's attack on Iran's nuclear weapons facilities would be the revolutionary guard beasts laboring there to build the weapons to kill us.

Let us consider the words of that great statesman McClintock:

Now you made a lot of people mad out there today, Pilgrim; could have got some people killed, and somebody oughta belt you in the mouth; but I won't, no, I won't--the hell I won't.

[MeekOneGOP]

[Salem]

Both the American and Israeli intelligence communities have their sources and contacts in the region; the Americans still rebuilding their intelligence framework after the decay of the Clinton years, 9/11, and the Iraqi WMD's "disappearence."

Should the Iranian nuclear scenario, in whatever form it is in now or in the future, present an immediate and intolerable threat to the interests and security of both countries, the American and Israeli military communities will respond accordingly. Moammar Khadafi and Libya come to mind, and Operation El Dorado Canyon. The Iranian scenario, although a little bit different, will generate its own conclusion.





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[tet68]

The report said Teheran could retaliate by launching massive rocket and missile strikes on the Jewish state -- from either Iran or Lebanon.

From Lebanon?

Say, John F Kennedy faced a situation like this once, he
had the guts to call the soviets on it.

I hope the Israelis will too.

[SevenofNine]

ALouette any good day for Israel lay smackdown on Iran is good in my book LOL!

[SevenofNine]

ALright Phil rack that reset by John Wayne LOL!

[RightWingConspirator]

Probably would get a raft of German, French and Pakistani nuclear scientist at the same time. Would that be all bad?

[Luis Gonzalez]

BUMP!

[potlatch]

Good post, as always, Phil. Too bad John Wayne isn't still around and others like him!

[Smartass]

"REPORT: ISRAELI ATTACK ON IRAN WOULD BE HARMFUL"

YEP, IT SURE WOULD!!!

Like N. Korea, the Iranian intent sucks. It scares me
that any Arab country would have anything nuclear!
The faster it's blown up, the better.

[windchime]

Bump!

[GaryMontana]

I agree with you. Why wait till Iran gets nukes! Strike now before they can destroy anyone!

Better to have the liberal world hate you, than be dead and have a few mourn you.

How come so many people have forgotten about World War Two?

Yes Iran only wants peaceful nuclear power, Germany only wants to move some of it's troops into the Czech. occurpied Germany during the late 1930's Prime Minister Chamberlain can we have peace says Adolf!

[IAF ThunderPilot]

Suppose Iran sends missiles on US from Lebanon or Iran... Can they do anything else? No they cant. For the matter, Israel can retaliate with its self made "Jericho" missiles or with its brand new self made "Popeye Turbo" cruise missiles. Also Israel can and will retaliate with the Israeli Air Force, while the Iranian Air Force has no capabilities to take over the IAF. ___________________________________________________________________________________ Some of the Records and Highlights of the Israeli Air Force: ___________________________________________________________________________________ ---November 30, 1947 until July 20, 1949- The War Of Independence: Although the Israeli Air Force was only born during the war, 18 enemy planes were shot down in dogfights. A single Israeli plane may have been shot down in a dogfight over the Galilee, but the exact circumstances of its demise were never established in certainty. ___________________________________________________________________________________ ---1956- The Sinai Campaign: Seven enemy planes were shot down in the course of the Sinai Campaign, without a single Israeli plane being shot down. ___________________________________________________________________________________ ---June 5, 1967- The Six Day War: Operation "Moked"- The destruction of the entire Egyptian air-force within 3 hours. By the end of the day the Syrian and Jordanian air forces were wiped out as well and the Iraqi air force was badly damaged. The IAF achieved a total air-superiority for the rest of the war, that ended with an amazing victory for Israel. The IAF shoot-down total at the end of the war was a claimed record of 469 enemy aircraft downed versus of its own 24 downed. ___________________________________________________________________________________ ---March, 1969 until August, 1970- The War of Attrition: 111 enemy warplanes were shot-down in dogfights by IAF pilots while only 4 IAF warplanes were shot down in dogfigths by enemy pilots. Also during the Cold-War, the Soviet Union held close relationships with the Arab nations; On July 30, 1970 the tension peaked: A large scale air brawl between IAF planes and MiGs flown by Soviet pilots occurred- 5 MiGs flown by Soviet pilots were shot down, while the IAF suffered no losses. ___________________________________________________________________________________ ---October, 1973- The Yom Kippur war: Despite the surprise attack launched by Israel's enemies- Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon in the most holy day for the Judaism- Yom Kippur, and despite the unprepareness for the new SAM air-defences, IAF shot-down 277 enemy warplanes, loosing only 5 warplanes of its own in dogfights and played a major role in Israel's victory. ___________________________________________________________________________________ ---June 7, 1981: The first and only attack in history of a nuclear reactor: The destruction of the Iraqi Osiraq nuclear reactor; Eight IAF F-16 fighters flew to Iraq and bombed the nuclear facilties of Osiraq. Among the pilots that took part in the attack was the late Ilan Ramon, Israel's first astronaut. ___________________________________________________________________________________ ---Obtaining the first shoot-downs for the American fighter jets, the F-15 and the F-16. ___________________________________________________________________________________ ---June 8, 1982- The Peace For Galilee operation (The Lebanon War): The destruction of the entire Soviet-Syrian air-defence system in Lebanon within few hours without a single warplane lost; Syria with the U.S.S.R built up an overlapping network of SAMs, and the density of SAM site locations was unmatched anywhere in the world including the U.S.S.R. itself. Also the IAF achieved in dogfights a total of 80 Syrian planes shoot-downs, without a single Israeli plane being shot down. ___________________________________________________________________________________ ---126 enemy planes were shot down in dogfights in the years between the wars - most of them in the 70`s. The IAF lost only 2 planes in dogfights between the wars, in 1959 and in 1964. ___________________________________________________________________________________ ---October 1985: On October of 1985, the IAF carried out the longest-ranged attack in its history. F-15s attacked and destroyed PLO headquarters at Hamam a-Shat on the shores of Tunis, in retaliation for the murder of three Israeli seafarers at Larnaka, Cyprus, earlier that year. 90% of the base's area was destroyed; dozens of terrorists were killed, and many others injured. ___________________________________________________________________________________ ---The only documented emergency landing of an F-15 with only one wing. A few months later, the damaged F-15 had been given a new wing, and returned to operational duty in the squadron. The engineers at McDonnell Douglas had a hard time believing the story of the one-winged landing: as far as their planning models were concerned, this was an impossibility. ___________________________________________________________________________________ ---In the United States Air Force and the air forces of several European countries, an ace is a pilot who has shot down 5 or more enemy planes. The Israeli Air force boasts 39 pilots who shot down 5 or more planes, and 10 of these have shot down more than 8 planes. ___________________________________________________________________________________ ---One of these pilots, Col. (Res.) Giora Even (Epstein), stands out as the unquestioned Ace of Aces, having shot down a record 17 (seventeen!) planes in the course of his amazing career. Epstein has held his record for 25 years, and needless to say - is a true IAF icon, and an object of veneration for generations of IAF pilots. And the record is not confined to the IAF: according to the Guinness Book of World Records, the world record holder for jet air victories is an American pilot who shot down 16 planes. Apparently, someone had better tell the Guinness guys about Giora Epstein. ___________________________________________________________________________________ ---687 enemy airplanes have been shot down in dogfights since Israel`s birth. Only 23 Israeli planes have been shot down by enemy planes since 1948 - a statistic which puts the dogfight victory ratio between Israel and its Arab neighbors at a whopping 30:1. ___________________________________________________________________________________ Sep. 22, 2003 | THE ASSOCIATED PRESS | Israeli air force pilots handily beat their German counterparts in "dogfights" in the first ever air force exercise between the two countries, an Israeli military official said Monday. The Israeli F-15 pilots, aided by special technology that Israel does not share or sell to other countries, beat the Germans by more than 100 "hits," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. In the past, Israel has beaten American air force pilots by similar margins, the officials added. Israel purchases U.S. warplanes without battle technology, installing its own locally made systems into the aircraft. The exercise was conducted over the past two weeks in the skies of Sardinia in Italy. ____________________________________________________________________________________ So, for a conclusion: Iran can cause some damage to Israel by launching its Shihab missiles, however the Israeli capabilities so strike back, as you have just seen yourself, are far greater than of Iran. I think that such an attack on their nuclear sites worth the risk. I would prefer to see 20 Shihab missiles in Tel Aviv than 1 nuke in Tel Aviv. ____________________________________________________________________________________

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[M. Espinola]

An air attack on Iran's nuclear plants should be down in conjunction with a total blockade of ALL Iranian Opec crude oil products attempting to exit the Persian Gulf, coupled with a campaign of 'western' assisted nation-wide 'disruptions' of the mullahs economy.

If a coup is possible in the midst of 'assisted' economic chaos,to the petroleum based economy, all the better.

Under no circumstances can the state of Israel allow Iran's fanatical Muslim tyrants to attain the viable potential of raining down a nuclear holocaust from the sky.

The geostrategic situation in the greater Middle-East mandates taking out Iran's jihadic minded leadership....100%!

[Colonel Kangaroo]

The Iranians are not Arabs. In fact given the long historic antipathy between Arabs and Persians, I doubt the Iranians would appreciate being called Arabs. Remember the Iran-Iraq war between Khomeini and Saddam? That was just the latest round in the conflict between these two peoples.

[Convert from ECUSA]

All I can say is that I hope somebody is going to do something about this mess very soon! Like yesterday!

[night reader]

REPORT: ISRAELI ATTACK ON IRAN WOULD BE HARMFUL

An attack on Syria, on the other hand...

[M 91 u2 K]

Why isnt Bush increasing funding?

And dont say it is the Dems because he has control and if he were to use the bully pulpit to state Dems are filibustering funding of the military then they would have hell to pay.

[M 91 u2 K]

Iran is the real threat!

They sent us on that wild goose chase in Iraq with the intelligence of Chalabi, and now we have no credibility.

In the meantime Iran speeded up their nuclear programs are delaying with "peace talks" any military action against them.

As for Iranian students they support the nuclear build up because it will help their "Persian Pride". Let them go to hell because America's security comes first and should not be left in the hands of couple of students. Iranian nuclear facilities can easily be taken out with a massive air strike. Yes Iranian civilians will die but if we dont act we will have dead American civilians under a mushroom cloud.

AS for Iranian retaliation they are already on the offense in Iraq by influencing elections and possibly hijacking the government.

[SunkenCiv]

similar:

Iranian Alert - January 13, 2005
Israeli think tank: Only U.S. can neutralize Iran
Regime Change Iran ^ | 1.13.2005 | DoctorZin
Posted on 01/13/2005 12:20:47 AM PST by DoctorZIn
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1319798/posts

[kingsurfer]

My post was mainly about Brit funding but your point is more than valid.

For the US the main obstacle to proper funding is more efficiency rather than lack of funding in my opinion.
I heard somewhere on this board that many departments could cut wastage by up to 20%.

In the UK we have no choice but to cut wastage as we get no extra funding which is a major mistake given the current world terror crisis.