Skip to comments.Rossi v. Gregoire: What Matters Now
Posted on 01/12/2005 9:54:00 PM PST by Publius
In all the hubbub if this election and all its accouterments, its easy to lose sight of what matters. Broadly speaking, the only thing that matters is the Washington State Supreme Court decision that will be made after the Chelan court decision is appealed. Within that, though, there are a lot of things that matter, based on Washington law, and a lot of things that dontand it can be easy to confuse the two. First off, lets look at what the law actually says:
Commencement by registered voter Causes for.
Any registered voter may contest the right of any person declared elected to an office to be issued a certificate of election for any of the following causes:
Misconduct of board Irregularity material to result.
No irregularity or improper conduct in the proceedings of any election board or any member of the board amounts to such malconduct as to annul or set aside any election unless the irregularity or improper conduct was such as to procure the person whose right to the office may be contested, to be declared duly elected although the person did not receive the highest number of legal votes.
Misconduct of board Number of votes affected Enough to change result.
When any election for an office exercised in and for a county is contested on account of any malconduct on the part of any election board, or any member thereof, the election shall not be annulled and set aside upon any proof thereof, unless the rejection of the vote of such precinct or precincts will change the result as to such office in the remaining vote of the county.
Illegal votes Allegation of.
When the reception of illegal votes is alleged as a cause of contest, it is sufficient to state generally that illegal votes were cast, that, if given to the person whose election is contested in the specified precinct or precincts, will, if taken from that person, reduce the number of the persons legal votes below the number of legal votes given to some other person for the same office.
Illegal votes List required for testimony.
No testimony may be received as to any illegal votes unless the party contesting the election delivers to the opposite party, at least three days before trial, a written list of the number of illegal votes and by whom given, that the contesting party intends to prove at the trial. No testimony may be received as to any illegal votes, except as to such as are specified in the list.
Illegal votes Number of votes affected Enough to change result.
No election may be set aside on account of illegal votes, unless it appears that an amount of illegal votes has been given to the person whose right is being contested, that, if taken from that person, would reduce the number of the persons legal votes below the number of votes given to some other person for the same office, after deducting therefrom the illegal votes that may be shown to have been given to the other person.
Lets go through the irregularities one at a time, and see how they stack up.
50,000 ballots enhanced illegally: This matters immensely. These King County ballots were not read correctly by the vote tabulating machines, and so were taken out and enhanced so that the machine could read them. This is perfectly legal -- however, the election workers enhanced them to the point that it was impossible to review those ballots, which was supposed to be done. This is in violation of state law. Even if only 1% of those ballots had been determined to be invalid, that may have be enough to throw the election back to Rossi. This is an irregularity (or misconduct) that is certainly material to the result.
1,800 voterless ballots: It sure seems like this should matter, based on the RCW noted in this Sound Politics post. If the votes really are from voters who voted without signing in, as claimed by Dean Logan, it certainly should matter. If they didnt sign in, we have no way of knowing whether they were registered voters, or voted twice, or even citizens. If its something more sinister, then it matters even more. It could, conceivably, be beaureaucratic incompetence, losing thousands of voter names. But I somehow doubt that -- and theres no way to tell at this point. So obviously, this matters, even if Logan says it doesnt. This always happens may be an excuse when this is smaller than the margin of victory, but it isnt one nowagain, its either an irregularity or misconduct material to the result.
348 unverified provisional ballots mixed with the real ballots: Once again, while this wouldnt matter in a normal election, it matters here, because these disputed ballots are a great deal larger than the margin of victory. Theres no way of knowing if these ballots were signed by registered voters, unregistered voters, illegal aliens, space aliens or Mickey Mouse. This may be the strongest piece of the contest, as it has been well documented and was even anticipated before the election. This is clearly misconduct material to the result.
Felons voting: This obviously matters -- it says as much right there in part 5.a.ii of the first quoted RCW. So far, having looked at only Pierce and Snohomish counties, the BIAW has found 89 felonious votes. If there are just 40 more found in King County or elsewhere, that invalidates the election ipso facto. If those arent found, of course, they wont matter at all. According to the second-to-last RCW cited abote, the names of all the voting felons will have to be produced in court, which will be all sorts of fun -- but it should be enough all by itself, let alone lumped in with everything else.
WHAT DOESNT MATTER:
Dead voters: It makes for some catchy headlines and some amusing pictures, but there arent nearly enough dead voters to even come close to having an effect on this contest. Im glad they were found, though. It provides an example of election fraud that is easy to relate to, and has no doubt helped convince most of Washington that a revote is needed. It will not, however, convince a judge.
Systemic problems: Systemic problems, problems with election law as written, as important as they are to fix, will not help with the contest -- namely, because the same systemic problems will almost certainly be in play in any revote. What needs to be shown -- and clearly has been -- is unique instances of illegal voting, or voting irregularities, that can be avoided in the next vote. Again, Im still glad systemic problems are being brought to light, so that they can be solved. But again, it wont matter to a judge.
Gregoires inauguration: This doesnt matter a whit, according to the law. Dont let anyone tell you different.
Polls and petitions: While these matter immensely in gauging the mood of the people, and certainly affected Rossis decision to go forward with the contest, they wont actually come into play once the trial starts. This will be good to remember if the populace, understandably, starts getting tired of the mess (though I hope theyre in it for the long haul).
(Care to see something kind of spooky and completely irrelevant? If you take the total difference between Rossis initial margin of 261, and Gregoires current margin of 129, you get 390. If you subtract from that Rossis second margin of 42 votes, you get 348 -- which is the exact number of provisional ballots mixed in with regular ballots. Ooooh -- spooky.)
Looking at the facts right next to the law, this looks for all the world like an open-and-shut case. I cant imagine the legal backflips and distortions that would be needed to not throw out this election. If any readers would care to give it a shot, Im all ears. I certainly look forward to hearing the Democratic arguments in court. So far, they havent responded substantively to the facts, and Im curious to hear what they say if they ever do.
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Please ping the chapter.
A question for my Democrat State Senator and Democrat State Legislator:
Can you tell me that if all legitimate ballots cast were perfectly counted that you are certain Christine won?
If yes then you are an dishonest, unprincipled partisan hack and if no then how dare you certify the results of an election that you don't even claim to know who won.
I'm no lawyer but this looks like a straight-forward analysis by this guy.
He's damn good. His brief is tightly argued, and as a non-lawyer, a tightly argued brief is the only kind I can understand.
Good analysis by the blogger. It would appear that the Republican case is very sturdy. Kudos to Washington Republicans and all others who aren't taking this fraud sitting down.
I would like to know the source for this (including especially that 50,000 number).
King County has admitted the 348 illegally-counted provisionals, and Dean Logan himself has said that much of the 180-vote discrepancy can probably be explained by "voters" who didn't sign the poll books, so I'm willing to assume that we're talking about several hundred there as well.
But so far, the ballot enhancement issue seems to be merely an allegation. That's not to say it isn't true, but if King County has admitted it, or if it has been conclusively proven, I'd like to know.
One of the key Democratic arguments against a revote is that the Washington State Constitution says that the governor must be elected with the legislature. Let's say that the Democrats are correct. To make a revote constitutional, wouldn't that simply require putting the legislative races of 2004 on the same revote ballot with the gubernatorial race?
If this is a correct legal argument and if I were a Democratic legislator, I'd be scared $hitless at the anger of the electorate come revote day. Rossi would not only win, he would bring in a solidly Republican legislature.
That should, of course, be "1800-vote discrepancy."
By the way, Washington GOP Chairman Chris Vance will be holding a press conference tomorrow at 2 pm in Spokane.
My bad. It was my editing (and my bifocals with a small font).
No, I was correcting my own post.
Pithy analysis, scathing implications.
Here is the letter I got from King County elections today:
Thank you for taking the time to voice your concerns and giving us the opportunity to respond. Please give us a moment of your time to consider the facts, and not simply the political rhetoric.
We are not aware of any evidence of fraud or misconduct parting the administration of King County's election or recount processes. The rate of accuracy in any election in Washington State is approximately 99.9 percent. In a race this close, there is little room for even the smallest amount of human error; however, when errors do occur, election officials refer to our longstanding laws in place to ensure the errors are corrected in an open, fair and transparent manner. The record shows King County has done just that.
The standard by which King County Elections conducted this election is the same standard used in every county in accordance with state law.
Unlike Florida in 2000, Washington State has explicit election laws in place when human errors or discrepancies in the election process occur. This provides county canvassing boards and election officials' structured and consistent guidance to correct mistakes (RCW 29A.60.210).
When staff became aware that a group of ballots were incorrectly categorized and rejected, we researched and corrected the error, a decision which was ultimately upheld by the Supreme Court (read the decision at http://www.courts.wa.gov/opinions/?fa=opinions.opindisp&docid=763992MAJ ).
We understand in a race this close, political rhetoric is at an all time high; however, it is important to step back from these accusations and look at the facts in a nonpartisan manner.
The facts show:
* All 39 counties added votes to their original election returns during the machine and manual recounts. This is expected. Five counties added ballots during the recount process, King County being one of those. The other four counties used the same state law to correct discrepancies and add previously uncounted ballots to their election returns. The additional 566 previously uncounted ballots included in the manual recount represents a .06% fraction of change in King County's election return.
* King County did not change the way it conducts elections along the way. In fact, the county resisted efforts by the political parties to change procedures. Twice the Washington State Supreme Court validated King County's election decisions in two separate cases filed by the State Democratic Party and the State Republican Party.
* King County military and overseas ballots were mailed on time and alternative faxed and e-mailed ballots were offered to voters whose ballots did not arrive in time. All voted ballots received prior to certification of the General Election were counted as long as the ballot was signed on or before November 2. In fact, only 16 ballots from the "military/overseas/Federal Write-in" grouping were received too late to be counted. For more information, please visit: http://www.metrokc.gov/elections/news/2005_01_05.htm
* The remaining difference in the number of votes cast versus the number of registrations credited with voting in the 2004 General Election is approximately 1,800 - an accuracy rate of 99.8% based on close to 900,000 ballots cast. This number is consistent with historic reconciliation rates for King County. In 2000 this number was 1,230.
* Election officials conduct every election in an open and transparent process and work together with the parties to hire poll workers and official party observers. To ensure questions were answered on time and in an efficient manner, election supervisors met with party observer representatives throughout the day and every night during the recount to address any questions or concerns.
* With nearly 900,000 ballots cast, King County issued and counted more ballots than almost any other jurisdiction in the country, second only to Los Angeles County, California.
We welcome your feedback and appreciate the opportunity to provide additional information in response to your concerns.
King County Records, Elections & Licensing Services Division
King County Admin. Bldg., #553
500 4th Avenue
Seattle, WA 98104
(It's late. I'm getting punchy.)
BTTT. The dead voter issue is something I'd like to see some follow-up on. Perhaps that may not be a major factor, but damn, someone submitted those votes and needs to be called on the carpet. That trail leads back to who gave the marching orders. Omerta is breaking
Yes, it's full of pith. (And as any FReeper can tell, I'm thoroughly pithed off at this whole mess.)
So what do we do now?
A purge is coming -- a genuine political enema.
Vance Holds Spokane Press Conference to Discuss Status of Election Contest
On Thursday, Washington State Republican Party Chair Chris Vance will be in Spokane to discuss the current situation in the election contest. The initial hearing of the election contest is scheduled in the Chelan County Superior Court this Friday.
Date: Thursday, January 13, 2005
Time: 2:00 P.M.
Place: Davenport Hotel, Isabella Room
10 South Post Street, Spokane
Hope that the courts give an honest ruling in this case. And keep the political pressure on. Judges are elected in this state.
If you have a ping list for this topic, could you add me please?
I've heard the 50K number a few times, I believe from John Carlson and also soundpolitics.com but I'd have to check to be sure.
LOL..they couldn't find a single soul to sign that...hahahahahaha
Right after the courts let the California recall go ahead, I had lunch with Kastama and found him to be as smart politically as anyone I've ever met. He predicted that Davis would be recalled handily and that Schwarzeneggar would win. He laid out succinctly what was wrong with California, the corruption in the legislature, and said that Cailfornia needed a political enema, something he thought Arnold would administer.
Kastama was one regular Democrat I thought would break ranks with his party and vote to hold off on certification. I was disappointed when he folded.
I'm hoping that our Washingtonian friends stand for a pitched battle on this election fraud and theft.
Anything less would be a signal to the dark side that cheating works.
BTW, the normally excellent WSJ had a pretty wimpy ed on this important topic. (Definitely not worth reading.}
Systemic problems: Systemic problems, problems with election law as written, as important as they are to fix, will not help with the contest -- namely, because the same systemic problems will almost certainly be in play in any revote. What needs to be shown -- and clearly has been -- is unique instances of illegal voting, or voting irregularities, that can be avoided in the next vote.
The reason I question this is because of the military vote. We might agree that the 'disenfranchisement' here is something that 'does not matter' in court but....
there are reports of possible violations of meeting post office deadlines and there is the strange 'back dating' just recently observed.
If there is evidence that a deadline was in fact missed although published otherwise, then that should be material to the courts.
In short, if King County promised to meet a deadline for mailing out military ballots and reported that they had indeed met the deadline but instead had lied or otherwise obfuscated the actual mailing dates that were after the deadline, then this could amount to misconduct as well.
I'd be interested in your views on this.
I still think that, judges being human, may be extremely tempted to say that the disruption to the state from unseating a sitting governor outweighs the irregularities in this election. I hope I'm wrong.
What happens to Gregoire's appointments if she's ousted? Are her appointments considered null and void? Will the Democrats raise a stink if a Governor Rossi demands the resignations of Gregoire-installed politicos?
The real issue of systemic problems is that you would have to have the state AG and the Washington State Patrol watch the vote counting like hawks to get an honest count out of King County.
Are her actions since the inauguration null and void? I don't know. The legislature spends its first week figuring out where the bathrooms are, and they won't have anything for Gregoire to sign until April at best. I suspect there is little mischief she and her pals in the legislature can do in that limited time.
When staff became aware that a group of ballots were incorrectly categorized and rejected, we researched and corrected the error,
By utilizing a marker to designate voter intent?
Thanks for posting this informative blog. I'm not familiar with WA politics. Could you please tell me the political make up of the Washington State Supreme Court? Just a general left leaning or right leaning is fine.
to me, naming judges, and commissions, and regents, and the like is trying to button down more power......
I don't believe that anyone was allowed to vote who didn't sign the poll book. They may be completely incompetent in WA at running elections, but this is out and out fraud. I have been voting for 3 decades now and have never seen anyone get in a polling place without signing in. Has anyone else?
I hope you are right about the purge coming. Please, please, please, let Ron Simms be 2nd on the list after Fraudoire.
please add me to ping list on this subject if available. I'm a Washingtonian, and I'm fighting mad.
Just a question. I'm in NC, and I haven't been hearing much coverage of this on the news. What I have heard is mostly negative about Rossi. One commentator I listened to said 'Rossi told Gregorie to conceede for the good of the state while he was winning, but the second the tables flipped and he was losing, he forgot his own words and was fighting her tooth and nail for a revote.' I've also been hearing of Marine outrage over a picture that was taken of a march in Washington that displayed the GOP flag over the Marine Corp flag (according to flag code that means its more important being displayed on top, and the Marines are viewing that as Rossi thinking partisanship is more important than the military that is defending them).
Is all the media coverage this negative all over the nation? (or non-existant?) I don't know if all this information is true or not (the Marine flag and the Rossi statement). Acutally, I don't know much about what's going on AT ALL, other than she was sworn in in the last few days or something. Most of the sentiment around here is just 'get over it', at least the people that know anything about it. The media isn't reporting any facts (you know, 'how can dead people vote?') The biggest problem I see are those pesky Dems that still think that the presidental election was stolen (knowing our luck, half of the WA congress). They either shrug and ignore it, or when presented with facts, say something along the lines of 'When Kerry gets his revote, then we'll give Rossi a revote too.'
I mean, like, I want to help, but I live in a small, but very blue area here in NC. (someone come rescue me! lol) Really, I'm just now finding out details of this thing. Could anyone point me to other threads or articles or whatever that have more information? (statistics, ect.)
I wrote this op-ed/vanity and posted it overnight last night -- so late that few saw it. FYI.
Thank you for the post. Please add me to the ping list on this topic as well. I have written to all 3 of my district representatives, 2 Republicans, 1 democrat. So far I have got responses from both Republican representatives, but not the democrat one.
Great post. I love the photo. Bless those troopers out there with the signs, fighting for a just cause. Wish I could be there to join them.
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