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9.0 on ungrateful scale-Thanks for the help, but now get out,Indonesian veep tells U.S. soldiers
New York Daily News ^ | 1/13/05 | CORKY SIEMASZKO

Posted on 01/13/2005 4:09:46 AM PST by kattracks

The Indonesian government yesterday showed its appreciation to U.S. soldiers who have been risking their lives helping tsunami victims by ordering them to get out of the country by the end of March.

"Three months are enough," Vice President Jusuf Kalla told the official Antara news agency. "In fact, the sooner [they leave] the better."

Kalla's government also forced the Abraham Lincoln, from which Navy pilots have flown dozens of food supply missions to the hard-hit Aceh Province, to steam out of Indonesian waters because they refused to let U.S. pilots fly training missions in their air space.

The Indonesians also refused to let the Marines coming ashore rebuild roads, establish a base camp or carry arms.

Lynn Pascoe, the U.S. ambassador to Indonesia, reacted to Kalla's ingratitude by declaring that American troops will help as long as they were needed and "not a minute later."

But in Washington, White House spokesman Scott McClellan demanded "further clarification from Indonesia about what this means."

"We hope that the government of Indonesia and the military in Indonesia will continue the strong support they have provided to the international relief efforts so far," he said.

Although most Indonesians have expressed thanks for U.S. help, nationalist politicians in the world's most populous Muslim country have been grumbling about "American interlopers."

Indonesia's new president, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, is a former general in a country that has been under martial law for much of its recent history.

Always wary of America, Indonesia reluctantly allowed U.S. soldiers in when it became clear it could not deal with the aftermath of the Dec. 26 tsunami on its own.

Yudhoyono's government also moved to reassert control over wave-walloped Aceh by ordering aid workers and journalists to declare their travel plans - or face expulsion.

"It is important to note that the government would be placed in a very difficult position if any foreigner who came to Aceh to assist in the aid effort was harmed through the acts of irresponsible parties," the government said in a statement.

The Indonesian government was referring to the rebels who have largely stayed out of the way as the international rescue missions have been mounted.

With News Wire Services

Originally published on January 13, 2005



TOPICS: Breaking News; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: allahswill; disasterrelief; humanitarianrelief; indonesiangratitude; indonutstoya; ingrates; islandsofresentment; letthejunglehelpthem; sumatraquake; thanksnoweffyou; timeforallahtodie; ussuckers; wewantmoney
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1 posted on 01/13/2005 4:09:47 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks

What more can the world expect from Muslims?


2 posted on 01/13/2005 4:14:33 AM PST by tkathy (Ban all religious head garb.)
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To: kattracks

Mu-slime gratitude at its finest.


3 posted on 01/13/2005 4:15:36 AM PST by rickmichaels ("We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way." - Toby Keith)
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To: kattracks

"the sooner, the better"

Well, what the hell are we waiting for?


4 posted on 01/13/2005 4:16:14 AM PST by Dr. Marten
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To: kattracks

Give them a bill for the amount money we have spent and get out. Thank you very much A--h's.


5 posted on 01/13/2005 4:16:45 AM PST by G-Man 1
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To: kattracks
I donated to the India Gospel Mission, which works directly with my church. Our Church members regularly rotate through their mission field on short term mission trips, so we actually get to see the projects they build and the people they help.
6 posted on 01/13/2005 4:16:52 AM PST by keats5
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To: kattracks

To hell with him! I say we stop giving aid of any kind to all nations with this attitude.


7 posted on 01/13/2005 4:17:05 AM PST by squidward
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To: tkathy
It is called blackmail and extortion.

You want a ceasefire, then you order all the foreigners out and have the UN pay us to do the work.

Terrorism pays.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

8 posted on 01/13/2005 4:17:54 AM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: tkathy

The radical Muslims have had to curtail Christian slaughtering while the relief effort has been underway. As soon as they remove the aid and relief workers, their living hell can resume.


9 posted on 01/13/2005 4:18:34 AM PST by doosee
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To: kattracks
"It is important to note that the government would be placed in a very difficult position if any foreigner who came to Aceh to assist in the aid effort was harmed through the acts of irresponsible parties," the government said in a statement.

Like if someone was converted to Christianity. Blech!

To me it sounds like the president wants people who would see that the money is spent on the victims out so he can squirrel away the cache for his own benefit. If there's no oversight, the donations could easily end up in the hands of al Qaeda.

10 posted on 01/13/2005 4:20:10 AM PST by randita
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To: kattracks

Maybe this was behind Powell's statement.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1317543/posts


11 posted on 01/13/2005 4:21:18 AM PST by keats5
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To: kattracks

No problem...FARTS on you!.....


12 posted on 01/13/2005 4:21:47 AM PST by Route101
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To: kattracks

I hate to say it but the sooner the better for me as well. It makes me nervous having them there, especially since the marines had to agree not to carry weaponry. It's like inviting the muslims to commit some atrocities.


13 posted on 01/13/2005 4:22:03 AM PST by EmilyGeiger
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To: kattracks

Leave now!!!!!!


14 posted on 01/13/2005 4:24:10 AM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: kattracks

"Three months are enough,"

Why wait that long? Let's get out NOW.


15 posted on 01/13/2005 4:27:20 AM PST by Old Grumpy
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To: squidward

Now we know where we should not have sent our personal contributions. I am truly sorry that the Indonesian government hates itself so much that it fears being made to look lesser by accepting aid. The government would look better by having its priorities straight.

The focus should be on helping the victims of the disaster, not the victims of bad government in Indonesia. That the government would offer up human sacrifices to recover its own ego is what is saddest of all.


16 posted on 01/13/2005 4:32:12 AM PST by saveliberty (Liberal= in need of therapy, but would rather ruin lives of those less fortunate to feel good)
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To: kattracks

Goodnight sweetheart...well it's time to go....


17 posted on 01/13/2005 4:34:06 AM PST by Route101
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To: kattracks
I spent several years in Indonesia and am familiar with Aceh in particular. The populous parts are all situated in the low lying coastal plains and this fact, coupled with the very flimsy construction and severe overcrowding of what are, in effect, shanty towns, leads me to believe the toll is very large - Larger even than what is now being reported.

On the point of this thread:

The Gov't is completely corrupt and severely represses the population - Hence the concern that outside influences might take hold during the aid efforts. The longer these take, or are allowed to continue, the more outside influence will be possible and the more the people will see just how repressive and ineffectual the Gov't is in meeting the needs of the survivors. This more than anything would explain the need to strictly control aid activities and curtail them as much as possible.

IMO another example of a Gov't more concerned with self-preservation than the welfare of those it "Governs" - Sound familiar?

18 posted on 01/13/2005 4:39:32 AM PST by drt1
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To: kattracks

Typical response from most countries in the world toward the US, especially a muslim country.

Just another reason why we should NOT give aid to any country that does not support the US on international matters. For too long these countries have observed that the more anti-American that they are, the more money that we give them based on our misconception that doing so will make them like us more.

Whiny child screams for a new toy.

Mommy and Daddy give whiny child a new toy to shut him up.

Whiny child screams for another new toy.

Mommy and Daddy give whiny child another new toy.

Whiny child grows up and brutally stabs Mommy and Daddy to death because they won't give him a car.


19 posted on 01/13/2005 4:41:41 AM PST by ArmedNReady (Islam, the cancer on humanity.)
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To: kattracks

9.0 on the ungrateful scale? Looks like a perfect ten to me.


20 posted on 01/13/2005 4:43:09 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: kattracks
. . . nationalist politicians in the world's most populous Muslim country have been grumbling about "American interlopers."

Indonesia's new president, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, is a former general in a country that has been under martial law for much of its recent history.


What more do we need to know? In the future, when disasters like the tsunami happen to Muslim countries, we'll just let the Muslim nations take care of it . . . . . like Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, etc., etc., etc.

Sort of like the way that they all jumped in to help out with this disaster.

This way we can keep our "interloping" down to a minimum and let all that aid sit and rot because the countries we are helping (interloping) can't get it to the victims.
21 posted on 01/13/2005 4:44:04 AM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: drt1
The populous parts are all situated in the low lying coastal plains and this fact, coupled with the very flimsy construction and severe overcrowding of what are, in effect, shanty towns, leads me to believe the toll is very large - Larger even than what is now being reported.

"Flimsy construction" except for the mosques which seem to be the only buildings left standing in a lot of areas since the mosques where well built. Which makes sense because that's the way all gov't offices are built......

22 posted on 01/13/2005 4:45:30 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Free Scott Peterson!!! In Iraq. Wearing an "Allah is the Devil" tee shirt.)
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To: kattracks

And people expected something else? DUH


23 posted on 01/13/2005 4:45:34 AM PST by BriarBey
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To: kattracks

I have always tried hard to abide by the fact that it's easy to be kind to those who are kind back, but these people are stretching my patience very thin. Since we likely aren't taking any money back, we should defy them and stay in to make sure there is at least a teensy bit of oversight.


24 posted on 01/13/2005 4:46:07 AM PST by Nataku X (There are no converts in Islam... only hostages.)
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To: kattracks
nationalist politicians in the world's most populous Muslim country have been grumbling about "American interlopers."

Religion of Peace® alert.

25 posted on 01/13/2005 4:49:16 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: kattracks

I specifically posted that the U.S. would be vilified before this was all over. Let them take care of their own. How stupid we are.


26 posted on 01/13/2005 4:50:13 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: kattracks
There are three rules of international politics that everyone on this board should always remember, and that President Bush probably keeps uppermost in his mind:

1. It is always better to be feared than loved.

2. People are no damn good.

3. No f*#&ing Good Deed goes unpunished.

Believe me, you're hearing this because the local pols are hearing the imams give the call for jihad against the American interlopers. I say publicly drop our goods on the beach, pull our troops out, publicly tell the Indonesians that we're going off to help people who actually appreciate the fact that we are helping thousands in need (such as the Sri Lankans, the Indians, and the Thais) and tell the ungrateful bastards that if the Toba Caldera goes off, Krakatoa acts up, or they get hit by an asteroid the size of city bus, they should ring up the f*%&ing Religion of Peace and leave us the hell alone.

Jesus, all we tried to do was our Christian duty (while the Religion of Peace couldn't even dig into the change purse, by the freaking way) to help others in need. Now we get the kick in the teeth?

Screw 'em.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

27 posted on 01/13/2005 4:55:27 AM PST by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: drt1

Well reasoned, well put. Thanks


28 posted on 01/13/2005 4:57:20 AM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon (Redneck from a red city, in a red county, in a red state.)
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To: kattracks

And....who didn't see this coming?


29 posted on 01/13/2005 5:08:07 AM PST by hiramknight
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To: kattracks

And....who didn't see this coming?


30 posted on 01/13/2005 5:08:13 AM PST by hiramknight
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To: kattracks
Hey, we're over HERE! Give us water. Help our injured. Feed us. I'm waving the flag...





Oh, and Israel... thanks for the money you sent.


Now get the hell out of Indonesia.


Good thing the whole Christian world sent these people billions.

</sarcasm>
31 posted on 01/13/2005 5:09:28 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: kattracks

Do they want any others who have to come help to get out (like the Brits and Aussies), or is it just us?


32 posted on 01/13/2005 5:10:26 AM PST by BlessedBeGod (George W. Bush -- The Terror of the Terrorists)
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To: section9
Believe me, you're hearing this because the local pols are hearing the imams give the call for jihad against the American interlopers. I say publicly drop our goods on the beach, pull our troops out, publicly tell the Indonesians that we're going off to help people who actually appreciate the fact that we are helping thousands in need (such as the Sri Lankans, the Indians, and the Thais) and tell the ungrateful bastards that if the Toba Caldera goes off, Krakatoa acts up, or they get hit by an asteroid the size of city bus, they should ring up the f*%&ing Religion of Peace and leave us the hell alone.

Agreed! Screw'em. Pull out all relief workers, and definitely pull out the troops, and cut off the cash today. At least the Thais and Indians appreciate the help, but I'm still a little ticked about Sri Lanka not allowing the Israelis in to help.

33 posted on 01/13/2005 5:12:37 AM PST by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("Oh no, not Hans Brix!")
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To: kattracks

We should just steam around the island, bomb the mosques and help Thailand out a lot more.


34 posted on 01/13/2005 5:14:32 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
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To: kattracks; Steve0113

Guess I won't be sending that second check.


35 posted on 01/13/2005 5:16:40 AM PST by nina0113
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To: kattracks
"Three months are enough," Vice President Jusuf Kalla told the official Antara news agency. "In fact, the sooner [they leave] the better."

What a slap in the face! Screw them. Send our soldiers somewhere where they're appreciated.

36 posted on 01/13/2005 5:19:35 AM PST by fr11
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To: kattracks

Fine, get them out right now and put them on our borders to protect us.


37 posted on 01/13/2005 5:21:02 AM PST by stopem
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To: kattracks
Screw Allah
38 posted on 01/13/2005 5:22:24 AM PST by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: kattracks

Call me a cold-hearted SOB if you will, but I'd have told 'em to eat sand and drink seawater and dress in palm fronds.

I am way past fed up with my tax dollars going overseas for ANY reason.

Eff 'em. Let 'em clean up their own messes.


39 posted on 01/13/2005 5:27:07 AM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: kattracks

I don't know why anyone would be surprised at this reaction.


40 posted on 01/13/2005 5:28:32 AM PST by foolscap
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I hear they have demanded any foreign troops delivering aid not be armed. As Aceh is a hotbed of Al Qaeda activity, this makes a lot of sense from the Muslim view. They like sitting ducks for targets.

Maybe we ought to go in and flatten them the rest of the way?

41 posted on 01/13/2005 5:29:20 AM PST by Gritty ("Hair-raising screams will be squeezed from the lungs of the non-believers"-killer of Theo VanGogh)
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By "outside influences" you mean Christianity.

No need to mince words here FRiend.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

42 posted on 01/13/2005 5:32:04 AM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: kattracks

I have not donated a penny toward this disaster and thankfully so. I would rather donate to the Disabled American Veterans than waste my money on the ungratefuls of the world. Our veterans deserve our help more than these idiots ever will.


43 posted on 01/13/2005 5:32:14 AM PST by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: kattracks

Stop all aid, pull out now. Wish them a hearty AMF on the way out the door.


44 posted on 01/13/2005 5:32:26 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: kattracks

We should pull out of Indonesia before sundown. There are plenty of other ravaged countries that would love more U.S. relief.


45 posted on 01/13/2005 5:32:30 AM PST by stoney
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Well, I guess we just need to say, "We're out of here. Hope it all works out for you. Oh, and if you don't need us or our help, you don't need our money, either. Let the great and mighty UN help you out of this mess (free condoms and portable abortion machines? what is up with that?) However, we will continue to pray for the innocent people you are no doubt sentencing to death because you are so greedy and power hungry. Call on all of those rich muslim countries and see how much they are actually willing to help you. Action, not words or condemnation."


46 posted on 01/13/2005 5:33:41 AM PST by Millicent_Hornswaggle ("We walk by faith, not sight." 2 Cor 5:7)
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To: tkathy

Ef em!
I say we get out TODAY, take our $$ and any supplies with us that were about to be delivered. Good riddance. What a bunch of "bleeping bleeps!"


47 posted on 01/13/2005 5:34:16 AM PST by Muzzle_em
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To: kattracks

Dicey situation for a number of reasons, including Indonesian pride. Thanks to whacko mullahs and Al Jazeera, Muslims are paranoid about US motives, and then there's the Muslim well deserved sense of inferiority. It'd probably be easier for them to accept UN help, then they could pretend the US wasn't supplying ninety odd per cent of aid. We should let them stew in their own juice. They'll be able to complain that we didn't rebuild their infrastructure. That should make them happy.


48 posted on 01/13/2005 5:38:03 AM PST by hershey
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To: expatguy
Not mincing words. The Islamic powers co-exist with the Gov't in a live-let-live relationship. The Islamicists do not want ANY outside influences, Christian, individualism, liberty, etc. so it is not just a Christian thing. As long as the population is kept in line the Gov't will not interfere and the Imams do their part to keep it this way.
49 posted on 01/13/2005 5:42:18 AM PST by drt1
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To: Dr. Marten
Well, what the hell are we waiting for?

As the article says, "Although most Indonesians have expressed thanks for U.S. help, nationalist politicians in the world's most populous Muslim country have been grumbling about 'American interlopers.'"

Why should we let some self-serving a--holes get in the way of helping people in such desperate need?

50 posted on 01/13/2005 5:44:04 AM PST by newgeezer (When encryption is outlawed, rwei qtjske ud alsx zkjwejruc.)
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