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Take Back the Music. What's really going on.
Email from Essence Magizine ^ | January 13, 2005 | Linda Leakes

Posted on 01/13/2005 9:26:17 AM PST by red lucy

Entertainment insiders, thinkers and consumers candidly discuss hip-hop’s outlook on Black women’s sexuality Photographs by Butch Belair

We are mothers, sisters, daughters and lovers of hip-hop. We’ve emulated the sexy confidence of Salt-N-Pepa and the toughness of MC Lyte. We’ve wept over Tupac Shakur’s visceral poetry and marveled at the lyrical dexterity of Notorious B.I.G. When Nas said, "The World Is Yours," we believed him. And today we stand at the forefront of popular culture: independent, talented and comfortable with the skin we’re in. We are really feeling ourselves. Perhaps that’s why we’re so alarmed at the imbalance in the depiction of our sexuality and character in music. In videos we are bikini-clad sisters gyrating around fully clothed grinning brothers like Vegas strippers on meth. When we search for ourselves in music lyrics, mixtapes and DVDs and on the pages of hip-hop magazines, we only seem to find our bare breasts and butts. And when we finally get our five minutes at the mic, too many of us waste it on hypersexual braggadocio and profane one-upmanship. The damage of this imbalanced portrayal of Black women is impossible to measure. An entire generation of Black girls are being raised on these narrow images. And as the messages and images are broadcast globally, they have become the lens through which the world now sees us. This cannot continue.

An entire generation of Black girls are being raised on these narrow images. And as the messages and images are broadcast globally, they have become the lens through which the world now sees us. This cannot continue. We have debated this topic, often heatedly, at Essence. Some of us are fed up; others don’t see the big deal. But all of us agree that as representatives of the world’s foremost publication for Black women, we need to provide a platform for public discussion. Of course, there is a much broader scope of perspectives to be heard than our own, and in the interest of fostering a conversation, we present a survey of the landscape: Entertainment journalist Ayana Byrd and Essence editor Akiba Solomon interviewed a wide range of key players in the music industry: a video director, a choreographer, a rapper, a psychologist and others. Public dialogue is vital to effecting change. Throughout this year we’ll explore this topic in our pages, and we invite you to tell us how you feel. E-mail us at letters@essence.com. Your opinion is the most important part of this discussion. And so it begins. —the editors

District of Columbia Grassroots Empowerment Project (EmpowerDC) 234-9119 fax 234-6655


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KEYWORDS: blacks; hiphop; hitandrunposter; music; oversexed; spam
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Entertainment insiders, thinkers and consumers candidly discuss hip-hop’s outlook on Black women’s sexuality Photographs by Butch Belair

We are mothers, sisters, daughters and lovers of hip-hop. We’ve emulated the sexy confidence of Salt-N-Pepa and the toughness of MC Lyte. We’ve wept over Tupac Shakur’s visceral poetry and marveled at the lyrical dexterity of Notorious B.I.G. When Nas said, "The World Is Yours," we believed him. And today we stand at the forefront of popular culture: independent, talented and comfortable with the skin we’re in. We are really feeling ourselves. Perhaps that’s why we’re so alarmed at the imbalance in the depiction of our sexuality and character in music. In videos we are bikini-clad sisters gyrating around fully clothed grinning brothers like Vegas strippers on meth. When we search for ourselves in music lyrics, mixtapes and DVDs and on the pages of hip-hop magazines, we only seem to find our bare breasts and butts. And when we finally get our five minutes at the mic, too many of us waste it on hypersexual braggadocio and profane one-upmanship. The damage of this imbalanced portrayal of Black women is impossible to measure. An entire generation of Black girls are being raised on these narrow images. And as the messages and images are broadcast globally, they have become the lens through which the world now sees us. This cannot continue.

An entire generation of Black girls are being raised on these narrow images. And as the messages and images are broadcast globally, they have become the lens through which the world now sees us. This cannot continue. We have debated this topic, often heatedly, at Essence. Some of us are fed up; others don’t see the big deal. But all of us agree that as representatives of the world’s foremost publication for Black women, we need to provide a platform for public discussion. Of course, there is a much broader scope of perspectives to be heard than our own, and in the interest of fostering a conversation, we present a survey of the landscape: Entertainment journalist Ayana Byrd and Essence editor Akiba Solomon interviewed a wide range of key players in the music industry: a video director, a choreographer, a rapper, a psychologist and others. Public dialogue is vital to effecting change. Throughout this year we’ll explore this topic in our pages, and we invite you to tell us how you feel. E-mail us at letters@essence.com. Your opinion is the most important part of this discussion. And so it begins. —the editors

District of Columbia Grassroots Empowerment Project (EmpowerDC) 234-9119 fax 234-6655

1 posted on 01/13/2005 9:26:18 AM PST by red lucy
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To: red lucy

link busted


2 posted on 01/13/2005 9:28:50 AM PST by NativeNewYorker (Don't blame me. I voted for Sharpton.)
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To: red lucy
women’s sexuality Photographs by Butch Belair

... waiting ...

3 posted on 01/13/2005 9:30:09 AM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: newgeezer
yeah...starts out like a sister souljuh moment, and turns out to be another phony "debate" providing an editorial excuse to run racy pix and discuss them.

As J F'in K said, "Bring it on!"

4 posted on 01/13/2005 9:31:43 AM PST by NativeNewYorker (Don't blame me. I voted for Sharpton.)
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To: NativeNewYorker

I'm not holding my breath. ;-)


5 posted on 01/13/2005 9:33:16 AM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: red lucy

Welcome to Free Republic


6 posted on 01/13/2005 9:33:20 AM PST by Freebird Forever
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To: NativeNewYorker

I agree. Just like the news during sweeps-week. A whole lot of, "Can you believe how outrageous this is?" Or, "Wait until you see this!"


7 posted on 01/13/2005 9:35:39 AM PST by reegs
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To: red lucy
We’ve wept over Tupac Shakur’s visceral poetry

Oh brother. Or should I say, oh sista.

8 posted on 01/13/2005 9:36:02 AM PST by Jhensy
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To: red lucy

Quit buying their music and supporting these acticities and it will go away.. or should I say Boofrigginhoo...


9 posted on 01/13/2005 9:42:15 AM PST by scab4faa (There are 3 types of people in this world, those that can count and those that can't...)
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To: red lucy



African American women portrayed as sex objects? Thank the liberal elite, and their democrat sychophants.


10 posted on 01/13/2005 9:42:59 AM PST by thombo
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To: red lucy

Does the capitalization of "Black" remind anyone else of how white supremacists almost always capitalize "White" when referring to their own race?

Just wondering...


11 posted on 01/13/2005 9:44:39 AM PST by Rubber_Duckie_27
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To: red lucy

About time...glad to see the much needed attention on the "bitches" and "whores" depiction of women in general and black women in particluar.

Gotta say you hard core, extreme right Freepers that blow this off as unimportant piss me off royally.

When are you gonna figure out that damaging stuff targeting one half of the human population carries destructive ambient effect for society as a whole?

No loyalty to your daughters, wives, sisters, mothers...helllooo?? Or did you all just spring from the head of Zeus without the aid from any female?

Waithing for the boorish bombthrowers...


12 posted on 01/13/2005 9:52:54 AM PST by dascallie
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To: All

Yeah, there should be a boycott of the music to make a statement.

I often see these music lovers mature around 30 or so. They usually shift their attitude to care more about things like a good paying job, health insurance and retirement.


13 posted on 01/13/2005 9:52:56 AM PST by Idisarthur
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To: red lucy

"We’ve wept over Tupac Shakur’s visceral poetry"

BWAHAHAHA!


14 posted on 01/13/2005 9:56:13 AM PST by dljordan
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To: dascallie

I agree.


15 posted on 01/13/2005 9:58:34 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (lex orandi, lex credendi)
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To: mhking

Possible Black Conservative/cultural climate Ping?


16 posted on 01/13/2005 9:59:10 AM PST by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: NativeNewYorker
link busted

bust a move.
17 posted on 01/13/2005 10:01:10 AM PST by Mad Mammoth
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To: red lucy

Sister Aretha Franklin

Diana Ross & The Supremes

Gladys Knight & The Pips

Martha & The Vandellas

The Marvelettes

Mary Wells

Smokey Robinson & The Miracles

Marvin Gaye

Junior Walker

The Isley Brothers

Otis Redding

Sam Cooke

Cab Calloway

Miles Davis

Nina Simone

 

 

 

I think you get the point

18 posted on 01/13/2005 10:02:15 AM PST by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: red lucy
We’ve wept over Tupac Shakur’s visceral poetry

BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!

19 posted on 01/13/2005 10:03:03 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (“I know a great deal about the Middle East because I’ve been raising Arabian horses" Patrick Swazey)
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To: dascallie

check #18... take care and best regards...


20 posted on 01/13/2005 10:03:28 AM PST by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: NativeNewYorker
link busted

Link never meant to work. red lucy is a troll. When a newbie post an article and then doesn't stick around to answer replies, they're a troll.

ZOT! this thread.

21 posted on 01/13/2005 10:03:42 AM PST by elbucko (Feral Republican)
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To: t_skoz
The Isley Brothers

The Beatles ruined their song "Twist and Shout".

22 posted on 01/13/2005 10:07:46 AM PST by elbucko (Feral Republican)
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To: t_skoz
You forgot


23 posted on 01/13/2005 10:08:57 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: red lucy; MEG33; dubyaismypresident; 4mycountry; Pan_Yans Wife; Charlie OK; E Rocc; dirtboy; ...
Another hit and run poster troll.


24 posted on 01/13/2005 10:09:25 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Jan. 20, 2005 - - - - The biggest nightmare for the MSM and DU.)
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To: t_skoz

What about Michael Jacksons picture?


25 posted on 01/13/2005 10:10:11 AM PST by Reba703 (Here we GO STEELERS, Here we go !!)
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To: dascallie
Huh? I don't think you'll find any defenders of gangsta rap here.

A couple of Halloweens ago I had some black kids show up at my door - she was dressed as a whore and he as a pimp. They weren't kidding.

As Daniel Patrick Moynihan said forty years ago, the disintegration of the black family is just a precursor of a trend hitting the population in general. We also have the feminists to thank for teaching that putting women "on a pedestal" somehow harms them. Treating women like whores is some kind of improvement?

26 posted on 01/13/2005 10:10:33 AM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: dascallie
"Gotta say you hard core, extreme right Freepers that blow this off as unimportant piss me off royally."

I take it you are refering to the Libertarian types, and not individuals who are 'hard core, extreme right' morally.

27 posted on 01/13/2005 10:11:49 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: dascallie
When are you gonna figure out that damaging stuff targeting one half of the human population carries destructive ambient effect for society as a whole?

We have figured it out. The problem is that conservatives are neither the market nor the economic push behind Hip Hop. We can't boycott it effectively because we mostly don't buy it. Conservative criticism of the genre is considered racist.

The only people that can turn the destructive images of women in Hip Hop around are the women themselves. They have to stop buying it until their concerns are met. But look at the tone of the article. These women don't sound outraged to me. Still, I wish them well.

28 posted on 01/13/2005 10:12:58 AM PST by Gingersnap
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To: colorado tanker

You make good points...hope you're right that all here agree that this stuff is insidious and damaging.

And yes, this crap moving into the mainstream hurts everybody...nope, certainly no improvement in female depiction in this stuff--strange irony here, militant, arch feminists should take note.

I've just noticed some knee-jerk comments at FR ridiculing this troubling trend--hence my post.


29 posted on 01/13/2005 10:15:01 AM PST by dascallie
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To: red lucy

Hmm, maybe Essence should broaden their outlook and take Condi Rice, Judge Janice Rogers Brown and other conservative black women more seriously, and promote them as role models for their daughters.


30 posted on 01/13/2005 10:17:03 AM PST by rabidralph (Keep your laws off my money.)
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To: Gingersnap

Well, it's a start.

And the only way a protest against this hateful stuff will have any impact at all, is for it take hold from inside the community that buys it---so the article is a beginning, anyway--glad to see it.


31 posted on 01/13/2005 10:19:09 AM PST by dascallie
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To: red lucy

Ok, so my first question is, where's Jesse on this? Secondly, Tupac's visceral poetry? The man was a buffoon and a gangsta, hip hop is trash, period!


32 posted on 01/13/2005 10:22:09 AM PST by rockabyebaby (What goes around, comes around!)
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To: dascallie
Take Hugh Hewitt's advice and stick around. You're always gonna find some weird stuff on FR - it goes with having a wide open forum. But FReepers are still the coast watchers of freedom.
33 posted on 01/13/2005 10:30:29 AM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: Reba703

Michael Jackson? Maybe in the Jackson 5, but that freak of nature hasn't produced anything of any serious quality in over 20 years!


34 posted on 01/13/2005 10:31:58 AM PST by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: red lucy

Hip Hop is to culture as mold is to cheese, a surface infection working its way to the core.


35 posted on 01/13/2005 10:32:24 AM PST by Old Professer (When the fear of dying no longer obtains no act is unimaginable.)
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To: dascallie
No loyalty to your daughters, wives, sisters, mothers...helllooo?? Or did you all just spring from the head of Zeus without the aid from any female?

Quite frankly, I don't believe that the objectification of women came about without the help of any female, either. I think it's largely driven by women.

I used to believe that society's habit of judging women primarily on their appearance had its roots strictly in male dominance and male sexual desires. I thought this way until I started to raise my daughters.

We as parents never taught our daughters to focus on their appearance, and we always kept an awfully tight lid--almost too tight, some say--on their exposure to popular culture. And yet, they are focussed on their appearance, very strongly. They have this natural impulse towards wanting to be judged on their looks, and to be judged "pretty", of course. They cry if given pants to wear, rather than a dress. They ask to wear makeup, even though Mrs. P. almost never does. Their dolls don't work in laboratories or kitchens, but compete in fashion shows.

We try to tell them that appearance isn't the goal of life, but it is against instinct that we argue. God help us when they hit puberty.

36 posted on 01/13/2005 10:40:52 AM PST by Physicist
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To: GraniteStateConservative
John Coltrane, Fats Navarro, Charles Mingus, Wayne Shorter, Dizzy Gillespie, Herbie Hancock, Charlie Parker, Ron Carter, Oscar Peterson, Roland Kirk, Thelonius Monk, Elvin Jones, Eric Dolphy, Duke Ellington, Cannonball Adderly, Art Tatum, Tony Williams, Billy Strayhorn, Sonny Rollins, Ray Brown, Tadd Dameron, J.J. Johnson, Art Blakey, Jimmy Smith, Charlie Christian, Max Roach, Clark Terry, Lionel Hampton, Roy Eldridge, Sam Rivers, Bud Powell, Paul Chambers, Milt Jackson, McCoy Tyner.

Sly Stone, Stevie Wonder, Jimi Hendrix, Donny Hathaway, Luther Vandross, James Brown.

37 posted on 01/13/2005 10:41:21 AM PST by Chunga
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To: dascallie
Obviously you ain't been here long. If anything, the hard core extreme right you chastise have been at the fore in condemning the cultural elements that have created this mess.

Which social force contributing to the denigration of blacks in general, or women in particular, are you mad about?

1. The role of 'race pimp' black leadership.
2. Leftist politicians that foster, protect and reward their race pimp field hands.
3. The Democratic Party that has created the national plantation of black dependency.
4. The Democratic Party that created the KKK, Jim Crow laws and the ruthless suppression of blacks for nearly a century before it recruited them as dupes.
5. The Democratic Party that resisted in a greater percentage of membership the creation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and amongst whom at least one KKK member still holds power.
6. The cultural sewer that is Hollywood and the liberal-left elements that control the movies, television, music and nearly all other outlets of popular culture.
7. The Left-biased media that refuses to acknowledge black leadership out of step with the prevailing Leftist template. Prime examples would be the sneering condemnation of leaders like Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice and Thomas Howell as tokens in Republican politics while criminal slime like Jesse Jackson are routinely give a chair in discussions and policy formation.
8. The Leftist 'stars' that reinforce and support the policy and practice of the above.

Which is it, friend? Which contributing elements that hold black Americans in thralldom are we so silent about? Huh? Can you give a little more information, or do you just want to spout off like the rest of the ignorant Left?
38 posted on 01/13/2005 10:43:24 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR/PBS/CPB and all the other bottomless RAT HOLES!)
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To: t_skoz

These artists helped raise me during the first couple or three years of life, so to speak ... :=)


39 posted on 01/13/2005 10:45:01 AM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: rdb3; Khepera; elwoodp; MAKnight; condolinda; mafree; Trueblackman; FRlurker; Teacher317; ...
Black conservative ping

If you want on (or off) of my black conservative ping list, please let me know via FREEPmail. (And no, you don't have to be black to be on the list!)

Extra warning: this is a high-volume ping list.

40 posted on 01/13/2005 10:45:43 AM PST by mhking (Do not mess with dragons, for thou art crunchy & good with ketchup...)
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To: mhking; rdb3; mafree; Trueblackman

Ping


41 posted on 01/13/2005 10:48:04 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Chunga

Thank you for finishing what I started... Those were people to be respected no matter where you came from! Professionals, genius artists, people of character! Pioneers of some of the most amazing art we have ever seen.

Too bad that their heritage has turned into goofballs with drum machines yelling about their cars, their money, drugs, etc etc.

At least when guys like Cab Calloway and other folks talked about drugs and money, they did it with class!!! hahahaha


42 posted on 01/13/2005 10:48:30 AM PST by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: rdb3; Khepera; elwoodp; MAKnight; condolinda; mafree; Trueblackman; FRlurker; Teacher317; ...
Black conservative ping

If you want on (or off) of my black conservative ping list, please let me know via FREEPmail. (And no, you don't have to be black to be on the list!)

Extra warning: this is a high-volume ping list.

43 posted on 01/13/2005 10:53:48 AM PST by mhking (Do not mess with dragons, for thou art crunchy & good with ketchup...)
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To: Chunga

How could you leave out the best of them all, Satchmo? Louie Armstrong is my favorite American musician of all time. (for the trumpet playing, not the singing which I can take or leave.) You do redeem yourself by including Duke Ellington who I believe is the greatest American composer by a long shot. Now I've got an itch to listen to Duke at Newport, 1956 - I can never get enough of that sax solo on Dimenudo and Cresendo in Blue.


44 posted on 01/13/2005 10:55:49 AM PST by joebuck
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To: dascallie

You presume I don't have loyalty to my wife, daughters, mother, etc.

What pompous deity did you spring from?


45 posted on 01/13/2005 10:56:28 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: red lucy

Teach your kids what music is, and they will laugh hip-hop as rabbit pellets.. Rap is nowhere close to music.. not even in the same ballpark.. Music flys like an eagle, rap hops like a rabbit..


46 posted on 01/13/2005 10:58:43 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: red lucy

just another reason I have not bought any music on a domestic label for nearly 5 years now.


47 posted on 01/13/2005 11:00:34 AM PST by inn8
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To: red lucy; Admin Moderator

Think you might have posted this just to be offensive towards blacks ? Why do I smell a troll post ?


48 posted on 01/13/2005 11:01:08 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
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To: red lucy

Link? Source?


49 posted on 01/13/2005 11:02:51 AM PST by mhking (Do not mess with dragons, for thou art crunchy & good with ketchup...)
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To: red lucy
Salt-N-Pepa? Why would one salt ones Pepa?
50 posted on 01/13/2005 11:06:17 AM PST by BigCinBigD
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