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Rewarding Outlaws
Neal Boortz ^ | Jan. 13, 2005 | Neal Boortz

Posted on 01/13/2005 4:39:06 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage

Rewarding Outlaws

One of the emerging battles in President Bush's second term is going to be what to do about illegal immigration.

For those of you a bit desensitized by the practice, allow me to bring you back up to speed. Illegal immigration happens when illegal aliens illegally break the laws of the United States and illegally sneak into this country. Make sense? I thought so.

Anyway, George Bush wants to institute a sort of blanket amnesty for illegals. Rather than enforce the law, which would mean rounding up the illegal aliens and shipping them back to Mexico, the president wants to give them a pass. A working pass, that is. Under the president's plan, illegal aliens would be allowed to apply for and receive a work permit to work in this country legally. This would put them on a path to citizenship. In other words, they would be rewarded for breaking our laws? So what's wrong with that?

Plenty. First of all, in a post-9/11 world, we should be tightening our borders, not loosening them. If the president gets his way, Al-Qaeda agents would be able to apply for and receive a work permit. This would allow them to freely cross the border every day, in plain sight. Not a good plan.

Second, what are we really doing by encouraging people to illegally enter our country? What do our laws mean if we don't enforce them? Instead of offering amnesty, how about rounding up the illegal aliens and shipping them back to Mexico? That would be a start. By the way, they are illegal aliens...not the more politically correct "undocumented workers" nonsense.

The president has a real battle on his hands. By one member's count, there are 180 GOP members in the House that oppose his plan. We'll see what happens.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; boortz; congress; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration; nationalsecurity; nealboortz; whitehouse
I just heard on Dobbs that Duncan Hunter took a "group" of other congressmen on a tour of the border. They're getting serious about this. There's a new poll up as well.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

Do you believe legalizing illegal workers will take pressure off U.S. borders, as President Bush suggests?

Yes 4%

No 96%

1 posted on 01/13/2005 4:39:06 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage
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ping


2 posted on 01/13/2005 4:41:15 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: swampfox98; gubamyster; FBD; DoughtyOne; Marine Inspector; stopem; All

Gompers, Samuel - (founder and pres. of AFL, an immigrant)

"America must not be overwhelmed. Every effort to enact immigration legislation must expect to meet a number of hostile forces and, in particular, two hostile forces of considerable strength. One of these is composed of corporation employers who desire to employ physical strength (broad backs) at the lowest possible wage and who prefer a rapidly revolving labor supply at low wages to a regular supply of American wage earners at fair wages. The other is composed of racial groups in the United States who oppose all restrictive legislation because they want the doors left open for an influx of their countrymen regardless of the menace to the people of their adopted country."
(Letter to Congress, March 19, 1924)


3 posted on 01/13/2005 4:41:49 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

Bush is out to lunch on the Immigration problem.

I think El Zorro (the Fox) needs to get real and stop them on his side.


4 posted on 01/13/2005 4:42:43 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: mindspy; mysto; holyscroller; ozarkgirl; Outland; Rick Deckard; ZeitgeistSurfer; Klickitat; ...

The following Teddy Roosevelt quotes can be found in Edmund Morris, The Rise Of Theodore Roosevelt  Modern Library 2001)
"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism...The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin...would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities."
(Speech, New York, 1915


5 posted on 01/13/2005 4:43:53 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

After spending several years starting oil exploration crews for Pemex and re-reading Atlas Shrugged, I think I have The reason Mexico has become so bad.

I like the Mexican people in the fly over parts of Mexico. The mid level and workers of Pemex are good. It is the government and the high up in Pemex that are the vultures and looters. The peso was about 8 cents (12.5 to a dollar). When Pemex found the sito grande, a very large oil pool that covers parts of the states of Chiapas and Tabasco also a long ways into the Gulf of Mexico.

Pemex borrowed billions to produce this great oil find. The looters (government) stole most of the money and what they did buy was junk oil rigs and drill pipe, etc. 1,000 pesos which was worth about $80 now will not buy a coke. This was due to the looters stealing billions from the Mexican people.

Instead of overthrowing the looters the Mexican people had an out, they had no weapons and they could cross into America and have a much safer life. This hurts both Mexico and America as Mexico lost some of it's hardest workers. The gangbangers also came over from Mexico as they could rape and pillage at will.

The government of Mexico is propped up by the billions sent back by the illegals and by our government having borders that are too open.

The only chance I see to help America and Mexico is to seal the border, deport the people who are not here legaly. We also need to arm the Mexican people so they can have a chance against the looters with their armies.


6 posted on 01/13/2005 4:44:33 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (expert, break it down, ex = has been, spurt = drip under pressure.)
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To: sgtbono2002

Wouldn't that be nice! Instead El Vincente is publishing a how to book to get into the US illegally. Did you see it?

Don't forget the wealth of Mexico, more millionaires and billionaires than Saudi Arabia. $38billion dollars per year being sent south of the border by "temporary workers".


7 posted on 01/13/2005 4:46:37 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

"We also need to arm the Mexican people so they can have a chance against the looters with their armies. "

I've said before, give them each an AK47 and drop them off in Mexico City.


8 posted on 01/13/2005 4:47:47 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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To: sgtbono2002
I think El Zorro (the Fox) needs to get real and stop them on his side

That will never happen.

9 posted on 01/13/2005 4:49:04 PM PST by Regulator
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To: JustAnotherSavage

Other than supreme court nominees, this is one of the biggest domestic issues Bush has to face and horror of horrors, of the two of them, Hillary is (dare I say it?) right! on this issue.
We MUST stop illegal immigration.... Yesterday! Never OH never think that I would ever think of supporting Hitlery!! However, she's astute enough to know that the vast >90% of Americans (voters) support closing our borders to Illegal immigration. If we don't get out in frot of this issue she might actually ride it all the way to the White House. Keep in mind that The Dems have embarked on a scorched earth policy of attacking anything, anyone, & everything the Pubbies support. This will lead the sheeple to anyone who is A. not being vilified and B. has a message (any message) they can support.


10 posted on 01/13/2005 5:00:47 PM PST by mistfree
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You have expressed interest in this subject, please let me know if you want off this ping list.


11 posted on 01/13/2005 5:01:38 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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To: mistfree

It concerns me too about what some dems may do with this issue, not that they'd fix it, but they aren't above using it. As in this current poll at CNN, many older and democrats watch CNN. Someone is paying attention to what they think. And when these poll are put here on a republican/conservative website, they don't really change much.

Do you believe legalizing illegal workers will take pressure off U.S. borders, as President Bush suggests?

Yes 5% 164 votes

No 95% 3211 votes

Total: 3375 votes

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/


12 posted on 01/13/2005 5:07:47 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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Do you believe legalizing illegal workers will take pressure off U.S. borders, as President Bush suggests?

Yes 5% 164 votes

No 95% 3211 votes

Total: 3375 votes

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/


13 posted on 01/13/2005 5:26:16 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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To: gubamyster; ALIPAC; All

Last night on Mark Edwards radio show, "Wake Up America", he and Terry Anderson read a news story about a young man recently back from Iraq who is recovering from serious wounds, seems like a limb missing, etc. His name is Phil Snider (sp??). He will be joining other concerned citizens for a "rally" on the border in April with the American Patrol Group. Do you know more about him, perhaps something in print?


14 posted on 01/13/2005 5:40:52 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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To: JustAnotherSavage
I simply do not understand the silence from the fully segregated, step-n-fetchit, colored only Congressional Black Caucus on this issue. If we lost five million illegal Mexican river swimming criminals, thousand to millions of blacks would become employable. Sure, wages might rise and things like transportation added to employer costs, but it would mean jobs for blacks.

Maybe, the CBC wants to keep the field hands dependent on them and doesn't want them to have jobs and economic independence. Even union silence is baffling. Endless numbers of Mexican criminals keeps the wage floor low. Ceasation and reversal of Mexican labor would inexorably raise US wage levels. Back in the late '90s, Taco Bell was advertising at $10/hour for "no experience."

Just a mention of the word "amnesty" by BUsh starts another million criminals heading north. Amensty does NOTHING to solve ANY of our problems.

15 posted on 01/13/2005 5:41:19 PM PST by Tacis (Democrats! - When You Need America Blamed Or A Pool Peed In!!)
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To: Tacis

The black community has indeed been dealt a bad deal by this illegal immigration. Terry Anderson speaks of it constantly and if you can catch his show out of LA on radio Sunday nights, you won't be disappointed. He and many in his community have tried for years to get Maxine Waters, et al to listen to their pleas...ZIP. He has recently been interviewed for a spot on network tv.

www.theterryAndersonshow.com


African-Americans drowning in wave
   of illegal immigration

                           By TERRY ANDERSON

THE black community has made great strides in the last few
decades. Racism has certainly not been eradicated, but it is no
longer accepted with a wink and a nod as it once was. We are
proud to see Secretary of State Colin Powell, even when we do
not agree with everything he does. The same with Condoleezza
Rice, the president's national security adviser, and many others. 

That's the good news. 

The bad news is that in some regions we black folks are so
overwhelmed by the huge numbers of immigrants that we are
being displaced in our schools, jobs and neighborhoods. 

That may seem a harsh thing for a black person to say against
brown people, but I don't see it that way. I am an American,
proud of both my nation and my race. What I see in my
community of South Central Los Angeles -- where I have lived
nearly all my life -- is thousands of Mexicans who care nothing
about our traditions and culture, and only want to impose their
way on us. That's not immigration, that is invasion. 

It is sad what has happened in my neighborhood. This was a
respectable, blue-collar area of hard-working black folks living in
their bungalows and going to their jobs. In just a couple decades it
has become almost entirely Mexican. They live several families to
a three-bedroom house and keep chickens in the yard, but the
city doesn't care about the zoning violations or the noise of having
so many crowded into a small space. 

According to the Census Bureau, nearby Watts is now 60 percent
Hispanic, and it was previously the black community on the West
Coast. No longer. 

The immigration situation is really hard on our young people. A
17-year-old kid on my street couldn't get a job at McDonald's
because he didn't speak Spanish. Another young neighbor boy
was thrown into a bilingual classroom at age 8 and was forced to
listen to Spanish all day long. His six-hour school day was turned
into three hours. When his mother asked for an English-only class,
she was told "there are none." 

Would you believe that I, a black man, have been called a racist
many times for speaking up against this invasion? I have a radio
program on the subject and therefore hear from a lot of people,
even some in Mexico.

When they call me a racist, I put this question to them: What if a
hundred thousand Vietnamese were suddenly dropped into
Guadalajara? And what if those newcomers didn't speak Spanish,
and further insisted that their children be taught in Vietnamese?
What would you think if they were happy to work for half the
normal wages for any job they could get, thereby putting
thousands of your local Guadalajarans out of work? Would it be
racist to say there was a problem? 

When people of good will and good sense hear the situation put
that way, nearly all understand and respect my viewpoint. 

Now if only they would listen in Washington. America's political
leaders are the problem. They have been selling out this great
nation for real and imaginary political benefits while ignoring the
dangers. Even after Sept. 11, nothing has been done to plug up
our borders. Another terrorist attack could be 10 times worse,
and it would likely happen because Congress and the president
learned nothing about the need to keep the nation's borders
secure. 

If I sound angry, you hear right. Like other Americans, I want
immigration to be legal, controlled and reduced. But as a black
American, I see that the burden my people must carry is heavier
than for many others. I am sure that if Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.,
were alive, he would understand the fundamental unfairness to the
black community of allowing more immigration than the nation can
handle. 

If you ain’t mad, you ain’t payin’ attention!


16 posted on 01/13/2005 5:47:56 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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To: JustAnotherSavage
I just heard on Dobbs that Duncan Hunter took a "group" of other congressmen on a tour of the border. They're getting serious about this.

That's great news --- many people are completely ignorant on how bad things are --- they've never taken a tour of the slums of Mexico or Ciudad Juarez --- they have no clue at all ---- they want to Mexicanize the USA without knowing what that really means.

17 posted on 01/13/2005 6:14:00 PM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ

I'm afraid you're right, they seem to want to romanticize Mexico and the entire illegal migration. I've been down there 3 times. Not a bad place to visit, but I don't want to live in Mexico.


18 posted on 01/13/2005 6:22:04 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

It depends on where you go. You can go to the tourist areas and think it's all luxury hotels and nice beaches. You can go to the Zona Rosa and see the opulence and wealth. But you can travel around ---- get out to the outskirts of Mexico City and you're eyes will be opened. Or stay closer to the border --- take a tour of the outskirts of Ciudad Juarez --- or take a high way trip down to Chihuahua and literally see people living out of cardboard boxes. Not homeless bums like you could find in the USA --- but families of many young children.


19 posted on 01/13/2005 6:35:35 PM PST by FITZ
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To: sgtbono2002
I think El Zorro (the Fox) needs to get real and stop them on his side.

Thanks for my laugh for the day.

20 posted on 01/13/2005 6:37:02 PM PST by firebrand
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To: JustAnotherSavage
If we reward law breakers by granting them amnesty, they will keep breaking laws because they will have NO respect or fear for the rest of our laws. It's a bad message to send to our kids. How can we tell them that they have to obey the law, when we reward illegals for breaking them? Law breakers need to be punished.

That said, If our so called "law makers" don't enforce the laws of the land they need to be impeached for dereliction of duty, and treason. We need to get the paper work ready to impeach ALL of those who don't enforce our immigration laws!! It would be so rewarding to pop them as soon as the vote is taken. LOL Can we do that?

21 posted on 01/13/2005 7:17:30 PM PST by NRA2BFree (Before and after pictures of the tsunami: http://homepage.mac.com/demark/tsunami/9.html)
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To: NRA2BFree
We need to get the paper work ready to impeach ALL of those who don't enforce our immigration laws!!

That is the ONLY thing that would wake some of those idiots up. They certainly don't listen to their constituents.

22 posted on 01/13/2005 7:25:39 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: Tacis
From a speech by Booker T. Washington, 1895, Atlanta:

"...To those of the white race who look to the incoming of those of foreign birth and strange tongue and habits for the prosperity of the South, were I permitted I would repeat what I say to my own race, "Cast down your bucket where you are." Cast it down among the eight millions of Negroes whose habits you know, whose fidelity and love you have tested in days when to have proved treacherous meant the ruin of your firesides. Cast down your bucket among these people who have, without strikes and labour wars, tilled your fields, cleared your forests, builded your railroads and cities, and brought forth treasures from the bowels of the earth, and helped make possible this magnificent representation of the progress of the South. Casting down your bucket among my people, helping and encouraging them as you are doing on these grounds, and to the education of head, hand and heart, you will find that they will buy your surplus land, make blossom the waste places in your fields, and run your factories..."
23 posted on 01/13/2005 7:34:29 PM PST by fallujah-nuker (I like Ike.)
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To: janetgreen
That is the ONLY thing that would wake some of those idiots up. They certainly don't listen to their constituents.

That's for sure!! IF they don't listen to us on this, they won't listen to us on anything. Before we know it, they will put us under the UN control. We HAVE to stop them NOW!! What ever it takes!

24 posted on 01/13/2005 7:43:31 PM PST by NRA2BFree (Before and after pictures of the tsunami: http://homepage.mac.com/demark/tsunami/9.html)
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To: NRA2BFree

Can "we" impeach them. Yes and no. (short version) Judges and president can be impeached by the congress. Congressmen pretty much have to be voted out, because they police their own. Make it known they will be voted out, and most of them will listen. It's gone from 72 to 180 republican congressmen showing for better illegal reform. Some of that may be "show", but they are listening. Don't stop telling them what you think.

Congress: Toll free 1-877-762-8762
www.house.gov

www.senate.gov ALERT! There is one republican senator, Jim Inhofe, who had the guts to speak up on illegal immigration, so the place really needs some work. This is where any good bill will die a cold lonely death.

There are also petitions on line with hundreds of thousands of signers, I don't have a link at the moment, but someone here will. Do anything legal and ethical you can think of. Copy the best articles, hand them out.

No one deserves to be asleep over this one. Because the other side, a small minority, has the money in this fight from MALDEF, Western Growers Assn, AARP, WALMART, George Soros, La Raza, and even this administration has been known to sanction payment for pushing an agenda. We will see if we the people have the power over our government we're supposed to.


25 posted on 01/13/2005 8:01:38 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

bttt


26 posted on 01/13/2005 8:02:20 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one too many.)
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To: fallujah-nuker; All

Incredible. I have a book about his life and don't ever remember reading that. We spend too much time on these machines! Thanks!


Bears repeating:::


From a speech by Booker T. Washington, 1895, Atlanta:

"...To those of the white race who look to the incoming of those of foreign birth and strange tongue and habits for the prosperity of the South, were I permitted I would repeat what I say to my own race, "Cast down your bucket where you are." Cast it down among the eight millions of Negroes whose habits you know, whose fidelity and love you have tested in days when to have proved treacherous meant the ruin of your firesides. Cast down your bucket among these people who have, without strikes and labour wars, tilled your fields, cleared your forests, builded your railroads and cities, and brought forth treasures from the bowels of the earth, and helped make possible this magnificent representation of the progress of the South. Casting down your bucket among my people, helping and encouraging them as you are doing on these grounds, and to the education of head, hand and heart, you will find that they will buy your surplus land, make blossom the waste places in your fields, and run your factories..."


27 posted on 01/13/2005 8:06:04 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (Government spends what government receives plus as much as it can get away with-Milton Friedman)
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To: NRA2BFree
We need to get the paper work ready to impeach ALL of those who don't enforce our immigration laws!! It would be so rewarding to pop them as soon as the vote is taken. LOL Can we do that?
To get rid of them, there is no impeachment necessary. The process is called representative reinforcement, a.k.a. "Vote the bums out!" If you don't like your congressman's stand on immigration, vote for a new one. The only paperwork involved is in getting a viable opponent to file for election in time and making sure you and all your fellow angry constituents are registered to vote.
28 posted on 01/13/2005 9:11:58 PM PST by mysto ("I am ZOT proof" --- famous last words of a troll.)
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To: mysto
To get rid of them, there is no impeachment necessary. The process is called representative reinforcement, a.k.a. "Vote the bums out!" If you don't like your congressman's stand on immigration, vote for a new one. The only paperwork involved is in getting a viable opponent to file for election in time and making sure you and all your fellow angry constituents are registered to vote.

Yes, I know we can vote them out, but that takes too long. We need to start impeachment proceedings on them out as soon as we know they support amnesty. That way they will know we are fed up!

29 posted on 01/13/2005 9:33:04 PM PST by NRA2BFree (Before and after pictures of the tsunami: http://homepage.mac.com/demark/tsunami/9.html)
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To: NRA2BFree
Yes, I know we can vote them out, but that takes too long.
I know, it sucks. Unfortunately, that's the only way ordinary citizens can do anything. Congressmen cannot be "impeached." Only the House and Senate can kick its own members out, and that's usually only done in cases of gross misconduct or conviction of a felony... looks like you'll have to wait 2 more years.
30 posted on 01/13/2005 9:42:36 PM PST by mysto ("I am ZOT proof" --- famous last words of a troll.)
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To: FITZ
they have no clue at all ---- they want to Mexicanize the USA without knowing what that really means.

Man have you got that pegged.
This morning I went to 3 notary's... all closed. The 4th was opened, and while I was waiting for the notary to finish up I noticed a CHICANO publication laying on a corner table. On my way out, I took a copy. "Viva La Causa!" Chicano? Means not just mexicano, mexican american or latino... it means someone whose heart (corazona) is 100% for La Raza, who is willing and able to take action any day on behalf of injustices... an idea whose time is never gone... we, of ancient culture and distinct Raza history will never forget where we came from and who we are... our lands were stolen from us... even now the total secrets are kept hidden by many.
quoted from the publication/issue

31 posted on 01/13/2005 11:06:43 PM PST by exhaustedmomma (Tancredo said Bush's guest-worker proposal is "a pig with lipstick")
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