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To: veronica

Has anyone ever stopped to think that for some people the swastika doesn't symbolize racism and Nazi death dealing, but a proud old way of life that died out in 1945? Like saying "Mein Herr," or "Meine Dame," out of respect for one's elders, and Mutti's Apfel Strudel? And what about all the brave soldiers who died for their homeland, who fought under the banner of the Swastika, but never had a stake in the anti-Semitism of the Nazis?


10 posted on 01/13/2005 6:04:20 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Still not a wise move on his part. Which is why I'm glad not to be royalty.


13 posted on 01/13/2005 6:06:35 PM PST by fo0hzy
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Has anyone ever stopped to think that for some people the swastika doesn't symbolize racism and Nazi death dealing, but a proud old way of life that died out in 1945?

Ok, I just thought about it.

It's bullshit.

14 posted on 01/13/2005 6:09:11 PM PST by AM2000 (I am not responsible for the contents of this post.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Has anyone ever stopped to think that for some people the swastika doesn't symbolize racism and Nazi death dealing, but a proud old way of life that died out in 1945?

Which people would that be?

21 posted on 01/13/2005 6:18:07 PM PST by veronica (Got a script? Go here - http://www.filmmonterey.org/screenwriting.html)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

However, the swastika does not fit your other analogies. The Swastiks was an Eastern religious symbol of eternal recurrence -- not a part of German culture.

I'm sure most Germans were glad to be rid of it.

However, they still would cling to Mein Herr, Meine Dame, and Strudel, u.s.w.


24 posted on 01/13/2005 6:19:23 PM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
To answer your question, and probably one of several to do so:

NO!

A) The swastika itself is not racist etc. It was around far to long before 1933 for that.
B) I served with an ex-SS soldier who was clearly not Nazi and was about the best soldier I knew.
C) A swastika arm band, on a faux nazi uniform, worn by a member of a British royalty imported from (oops) Germany, and considered fitting at a party dedicated to colonialism and the untermunchen, should be grounds for being punted from both the royal family and society at large.

And, finally, "Mein Herr," or "Meine Dame," omits a couple of other "Meins" and "Heils" that carry far more accurate connotation than "sir" and "Madam".

33 posted on 01/13/2005 6:29:47 PM PST by norton
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Huh?


35 posted on 01/13/2005 6:31:47 PM PST by sarasota
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And what about all the brave soldiers who died for their homeland, who fought under the banner of the Swastika, but never had a stake in the anti-Semitism of the Nazis?

They have the Iron Cross.

The Iron Cross has been the apolitical symbol of the German fighting man since Napoleonic times.

The Swastika, on the other hand, was the political symbol of National Socialism.

43 posted on 01/13/2005 6:43:56 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Say again?


95 posted on 01/13/2005 9:09:28 PM PST by fatima
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Has anyone ever stopped to think that for some people the swastika doesn't symbolize racism and Nazi death dealing, but a proud old way of life that died out in 1945? Like saying "Mein Herr," or "Meine Dame," out of respect for one's elders, and Mutti's Apfel Strudel? And what about all the brave soldiers who died for their homeland, who fought under the banner of the Swastika, but never had a stake in the anti-Semitism of the Nazis?

Are you high?

Your statement is as silly as someone asking if anyone has 'ever thought of the brave Jihadis who strap bombs on their bodies and stream forth in search of innocent civilians to kill,' or claiming it is nothing more but 'the continuation of the proud way of life that stemmed from the days of the caliphates and sultans.'

That would be just as STUPID as the post you placed!

In the same way the Jihadis are nothing more than mere monsters deserving of a shrieking JDAM up their you know what, so are the NAZIs of yesteryear. There is nothing brave in what the Nazis did. There is no courage in sending millions of defenceless Jews to their deaths. And Mein Herr is totally different from Sig heil, and the swastika is not merely a symbol for a 'proud way of life that died out in 1945.'

You must be smoking something really potent. Or are you a troll. Either that or there is something really wrong with your head for you to call the end of WW2 in 1945 as the death of a proud way of life. There was no modicum of pride to be found in Nazism and their symbols.

118 posted on 01/14/2005 2:53:09 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Of course I pay respect to the fallen soldiers of the Nazi regime. I pay respect to the comrades of my Grandfathers, who defended their homeland for a government that served its own egoistic, evil, sadistic, cruel and horrible goals. They are not to be blamed for being drafted and doing what they were ordered to do to avoid being shot themselves. But, these people did not fight under the swastika, even though they fought for it. The symbol of the Wehrmacht was the Iron Cross, and todays German Armed Forces still use it (in a slightly different style). Prince Harry used to imitate General Field Marshall Rommel, who was compelled to committ suicide by the Nazis in 1944, and of whom I have never seen a photograph wearing a swastika armband.

Unlike the SS, which fought under the swastika and deserves no respect at all. It is in no way honorable to put millions of people in shower-rooms and rob their breath.


121 posted on 01/14/2005 3:52:12 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Your sarcastic attack on the Southern Heritage issue is NOT appreciated. Confederate Soldiers were NOT Nazis......
May I suggest you fade away before the hounds are released......


131 posted on 01/14/2005 4:38:36 AM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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