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The Real Atrocities of Abu Ghraib
The Rant ^ | January 14, 2005 | Frank Salvato

Posted on 01/14/2005 9:49:29 AM PST by MikeEdwards

“He laughed. He was whistling. He was singing.” This was the testimony of Amin al-Sheikh in the Court’s Martial hearings against Army Spc. Charles Graner. Graner is charged with being the ringleader of a band of rogue American soldiers who forced Middle Eastern terrorists to commit humiliating acts in an effort to extract information regarding terrorist activity. Al-Sheikh is a Syrian terrorist who was captured while committing acts of terror against the Iraqi people and acts of aggression against the allies in Iraq. He is currently being detained at the Abu Ghraib prison, a facility that, until the liberation of Iraq, incarcerated political prisoners. Today it houses terrorists.

My words today are not in complete defense of Spc. Graner. If laws were broken and orders usurped then a fair and just punishment should be administered. Unlike the civilian court system that is routinely manipulated by the semantics of high-priced lawyers and the legislation of activist judges – a mockery of what our legal system was intended to be – the military justice system tends to be more equitable in its proceedings and more rigid in its punishment. What makes Spc. Garner’s case different from the military norm is that the mainstream media has mandated that the bastardized version of our civilian system be injected into our military system of justice. . . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at therant.us ...


TOPICS: War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abu; ghraib; iraq

1 posted on 01/14/2005 9:49:29 AM PST by MikeEdwards
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To: MikeEdwards

perhaps they preferred Saddam Husseins brand of torutre better? You know, the acid baths, being fed into a plastic shredder feet first...

but at least he didn't put underwear on their heads!!


2 posted on 01/14/2005 9:53:26 AM PST by Mr. K (all your tagline are belong to us)
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To: MikeEdwards

a very overlooked viewpoint. thanks


3 posted on 01/14/2005 9:53:57 AM PST by Docbarleypop (Navy Doc)
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To: MikeEdwards
n the case of Spc. Graner the question begs to be asked, is there anyone in the world who believes that al-Sheikh would have testified any differently? After all, he is an insurgent terrorist who was caught by the allies committing acts of murder, acts of terror and acts of aggression against the Iraqi people and their allies. If there is anyone in the world besides the blinded-by-hate, “blame America first” crowd, the French government and the terrorists themselves who believe that al-Sheikh would have ever said, “No, Spc. Garner didn’t do anything out of the ordinary, in fact, he was quite professional in his duties,” then we have truly found the land of the imbecile.

I think this makes the point quite well, and the land of the imbecile has found its expression in the MSM.

4 posted on 01/14/2005 9:59:40 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: MikeEdwards

Bad judgement, worthy of a reprimand, not a court martial and all this phony lib-dem outrage.


5 posted on 01/14/2005 10:01:12 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm ( veni vidi vino visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: MikeEdwards

Personally, I don't understand what the big fuss is about, these are TERRORISTS and if let free they would behead each and every single American soldier they could get their hands on, I don't think we should be a$$ kissing, if Saddam were still in power do you think he would treat our prisoners with respect and dignity? Hell a pair of panties on a prisoners head is hardly a war crime or anything else for that matter.


6 posted on 01/14/2005 10:04:24 AM PST by rockabyebaby (What goes around, comes around!)
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To: Senzei

Are you a comedian or just another blathering Swede?


8 posted on 01/14/2005 10:45:04 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero)
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To: Senzei
He was caught in the act. Caught in the act of committing terrorist acts. Caught committing acts of terrorism. He's a terrorist.

You'r a twit, and your Islamism is hanging out. You might want to zip it up before you catch a "blood disease" like the one Saddam's lap puppy Yasser suffered from.

9 posted on 01/14/2005 10:45:36 AM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: Senzei
Have you driven your Volvo through Malmo lately?

Just curious...

10 posted on 01/14/2005 10:47:13 AM PST by MarineDad (Whenever mosques and JDAM's meet, civilization benefits.)
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To: Senzei
Interesting comment you made about life, loser.

My only advice to you - get one.

(but stay away from those islammo types, or it'll be a damned short one...)

13 posted on 01/14/2005 11:06:48 AM PST by MarineDad (Whenever mosques and JDAM's meet, civilization benefits.)
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To: Senzei

You're from Sweden? Just remember, Liberalism is a DISEASE!!!


14 posted on 01/14/2005 11:08:03 AM PST by Born Conservative (Those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself." Richard Nixon)
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To: MikeEdwards

15 posted on 01/14/2005 11:08:11 AM PST by petercooper (Liberalism = Idealism; Conservativism = Realism)
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To: Senzei

We're old enough to have read the entire article. He was caught in the act and therefore known to be guilty. If you were as enlightened as you believe you are, you would have been able to glom that too.

I will make one correction to the article though : Abu Graib contains both terrorists and more mundane violent criminals, like multiple rapist/murderers and the like.

As for your little lure to get us lowbrowed yankees to claim all of Sweden is a terrorist state. THIS American refuses. If you're so stupid you believe that one innocent man makes the entire population guilty, you obviously expect us to assume that one admission of guilt by one Swede means all Swedes are terrorist sympathizers. Lucky for you, the average American is more intelligent than you.

Pay attention to your own state and stop obssessing on the internal affairs of the United States. It's a sign of an unbalanced mind grasping at straws to avoid confronting personal problems


16 posted on 01/14/2005 11:15:30 AM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: Senzei
Imagine yourself being a farmer from Afghanistan, that while you were there in prison for two years your home got looted and your family is poor and have nothing left.

As it happens, our soldiers actually know Afghan farmers personally. It is their job to protect them, and in cases where the attackers hide among them, it is their job to distinguish between the farmer and his Taliban cousin.

Actually, our guys do a pretty good job of it.

As for the farmer whose farm was looted, that is exactly what happened under Taliban rule. Actually, there are cases of mass murder committed by Taliban troops, and under their rule there was no hope of a normal life, you earned your living by the gun, as a militiaman for one war lord or another.

Those days are over now, thanks to the US and its allies. No thanks to the countries that sat on the side lines and did nothing.

When you are at war, you find out very quickly which countries are your friends, and which ones are not. Your friends are the ones still standing next to you while the bullets fly. They are the ones in the field, sharing the risks. Their opinions matter. The others are not your friends, and their opinions don't matter.

18 posted on 01/14/2005 11:35:52 AM PST by marron
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To: Senzei
What happened was this. The government of the US destroyed the life of the three Africans economically.

Oh please. Destroyed economically? These guys were living with Osama's people in Afghanistan who were making their "economic way" by stealing and harassing and killing Afghanis.

Excuse me while I reach for my kleenex, I'm crying so hard with you for these poor "economically destroyed victims."

Why is it that when Saddam was torturing people, Swedes didn't do anything? If we follwed Swedish advice, the world today would be run by the heirs of Hitler and Stalin.

Yes, I'm of Swedish origin,

20 posted on 01/14/2005 11:45:30 AM PST by cookcounty (-It's THE WHITE HOUSE, not THE WAFFLE HOUSE.)
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To: MikeEdwards

There's a Dan Rather poll at the site too.


21 posted on 01/14/2005 11:49:25 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: MikeEdwards; All

Incase anyone forgets, Garner was not convicted of torture.


22 posted on 01/14/2005 9:33:32 PM PST by chemical_boy
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