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N.Y. asks online cigarette buyers to cough up tax
News.com ^ | 1/14/2004 | Reuters

Posted on 01/14/2005 9:09:13 PM PST by Zon

N.Y. asks online cigarette buyers to cough up tax

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Friday that smokers who bought cigarettes over the Internet had better be prepared to cough up taxes they tried to avoid by going online.

"The law says you got to pay your taxes. The handful of people who don't are just stealing from the rest of us," Bloomberg said in a weekly radio address.

The city's finance department this week sent letters to 3,700 smokers asking them to fork over $1.3 million in city taxes from Internet tobacco purchases. 

The annual loss to the city from online tobacco sales totals $40 million, according to Joanna Perlman, a finance department spokeswoman. Some individuals owed as much as $10,000.

"If you have a bill for $10,000 for cigarette taxes, you're a dealer, you're not just smoking," Bloomberg said.

"The finance commissioner is required by the city charter to enforce the law. It's against the law to buy something out of state and bring it in and avoid sales tax," he said. 


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1 posted on 01/14/2005 9:09:13 PM PST by Zon
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To: Zon


And yet, he looks the other way on illegal immigration....


2 posted on 01/14/2005 9:12:13 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ("Hi, I'm Richard Gere and I'm speaking for the entire world. -Richard Gere)
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To: Zon

Internet sales are exempt pal...especially from Indian Reservations.

http://www.bigindian.com/


3 posted on 01/14/2005 9:15:15 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: Zon
It's against the law to buy something out of state and bring it in and avoid sales tax," he said.

There has to be more to this law than this.
4 posted on 01/14/2005 9:15:18 PM PST by stylin19a (Marines - end of discussion)
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To: Zon

I think a polite 'no' is in order.


5 posted on 01/14/2005 9:15:22 PM PST by seacapn
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To: Zon
"The law says you got to pay your taxes. The handful of people who don't are just stealing from the rest of us,"

How about "The politicians who waste and abscond with taxpayers money are stealing from every one of US"

This guy impresses me less and less every day.

6 posted on 01/14/2005 9:15:57 PM PST by drt1
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To: Zon; SheLion

ping


7 posted on 01/14/2005 9:16:20 PM PST by Mears
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To: Zon

We can't even smoke in an open air stadium and yet they want smokers to foot the bill to dig out this sorry @ss state. Gotta love living in NY.


8 posted on 01/14/2005 9:19:00 PM PST by AirForceMom (They are scarmabling out of the woodwork.....call the paver.)
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To: Zon
Were I the recipient of such a notice, I'd wad it up and throw it in the trash without a second thought. And dare the city of New York to try and legally enforce such a ludicrous "assessment."
9 posted on 01/14/2005 9:19:01 PM PST by A Jovial Cad
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To: seacapn

Actually, no wasn't what I was thinking. It was more along the lines of STFU Bloomberg.


10 posted on 01/14/2005 9:19:04 PM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: cyborg

That, too. Bloomberg needs to learn that in this modern world of internet orders, you can't just tax things to death and expect people to pay up and smile for the privilege.


11 posted on 01/14/2005 9:20:44 PM PST by seacapn
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To: Zon
"If you have a bill for $10,000 for cigarette taxes, you're a dealer, you're not just smoking," Bloomberg said.

How does New York know what somebodies cigarette bill is?

12 posted on 01/14/2005 9:21:47 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58

Thats what I was wondering. How would they get information like that?


13 posted on 01/14/2005 9:22:41 PM PST by AirForceMom (They are scarmabling out of the woodwork.....call the paver.)
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To: Zon

Ah the lovely world of the Democrap who turned Republican and remained a Democrap! Is there a tax this @sshole doesn't like?


14 posted on 01/14/2005 9:23:04 PM PST by Bommer
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To: Mears

Beat me to the ping.


15 posted on 01/14/2005 9:23:36 PM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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To: Zon

How did the auditors get the names, addresses, and purchase records of these smokers? Isn't a person's mail private anymore?


16 posted on 01/14/2005 9:23:58 PM PST by reformed_democrat
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To: Graybeard58

Probaly some provision in the Patriot Act. Second hand smoke is a form of terrorism, ya know.


17 posted on 01/14/2005 9:25:25 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Zon

Screw Bloomberg, millionaire squirt. What audacity. Go get your taxes from someone else. Leave the smokers alone, they have already paid the state of New York billions.


18 posted on 01/14/2005 9:25:59 PM PST by groanup (http://www.fairtax.org)
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To: Graybeard58
How does New York know what somebodies cigarette bill is?

They ask the big online sellers of cigarettes to give them printouts of purchasers in a particular zip code.
19 posted on 01/14/2005 9:26:11 PM PST by kingu (Which would you bet on? Iraq and Afghanistan? Or Haiti and Kosovo?)
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To: Zon
"If you have a bill for $10,000 for cigarette taxes, you're a dealer, you're not just smoking," Bloomberg said.

What if you have a bill for more than $3,500? That's the average amount being asked of the 3700 letter recipients. I don't smoke, but I can't imagine how long it must take to amass such a sum in cigarette taxes. I didn't even know they sold cigarettes over the internet (it makes sense when you consider the tax savings for internet purchases).

It seems to me that Bloomberg and his henchmen are at fault for the "lost funds". They dropped the ball by not having a better system by which to extort the money from the smokers. What were the smokers to do, drop a few bucks in the mail twice a day?
20 posted on 01/14/2005 9:26:28 PM PST by Jaysun (DEMOCRATS: "We need to be more effective at fooling people.")
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To: Jaysun

Actually, we smokers are simply expected to grab the ankles.


21 posted on 01/14/2005 9:27:58 PM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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To: A Jovial Cad
The day when smokers finally figure out that they can grow their own tobacco...just the same way they "might" grown marijuana in the loft of their house...this entire tax game will end. I've only met two individuals over the past 20 years that figured this out and grew their own smokes. If everyone would realize this...they could save themselves thousands of dollars over a lifetime...and even cut out the rich cigarette companies as well.
22 posted on 01/14/2005 9:27:58 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice

I roll my own and may consider growing it soon. I have the land.


23 posted on 01/14/2005 9:28:43 PM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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To: reformed_democrat

Here is what they do in Glendale, CA. The Armenians open up a smoke shop. They buy some cigarettes from legal CA channels, and the majority from indian reservations. They sell the cigarettes to the public, and also sell them for California food stamps at 50 cents on the dollar. The food stamps are bartered for other goods, or given to the owner's family to buy groceries, since the whole clan is working under the table and applying for state aid at the same time. Mom buys the groceries every few days and drives them home in her new Lexus.


24 posted on 01/14/2005 9:28:57 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: reformed_democrat
Isn't a person's mail private anymore?

Sure, your mail is private. A business' sales records, on the other hand, aren't private. Number one reason why I've not purchased cigarettes online. (Especially with the handy cigarette tube stuffers like the Supermatic. Two cartons of tubes and a can of tobacco for under $25 (including California's taxes) makes it $12.50 a carton. I invest a little bit of time, and I save a lot of money.)
25 posted on 01/14/2005 9:29:07 PM PST by kingu (Which would you bet on? Iraq and Afghanistan? Or Haiti and Kosovo?)
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To: Jaysun
What were the smokers to do, drop a few bucks in the mail twice a day?

The current legal theory is, well, pretty much that. Pay the tax when you get your shipment of cigarettes, since that is when the tax is owed.
26 posted on 01/14/2005 9:31:15 PM PST by kingu (Which would you bet on? Iraq and Afghanistan? Or Haiti and Kosovo?)
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To: RandallFlagg

To Bloomberg, et al......... one word comes to mind; INSIDIOUS


27 posted on 01/14/2005 9:31:24 PM PST by umgud
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To: Zon
Yall registering smoke offenders now? :')
28 posted on 01/14/2005 9:32:14 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: stylin19a
Not in the mind of a state socialist such as Bloombug (no misspelling, btw), there doesn't. You EXIST in order to be taxed, in his little world. Your function in your life IS to pay whatever taxes are decreed.

Disagree? I've no quarrel. May I respectfully ask you to cite a counterexample, given Bloombug's behaviour after being elected?

FReegards!

29 posted on 01/14/2005 9:33:21 PM PST by SAJ
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To: pepsionice
The day when smokers finally figure out that they can grow their own tobacco...

I'm sure someone can dig it up, but I believe that in order to grow tobacco, you have to have a permit for it, and the permits are intended for farms, not individuals, so they're priced accordingly.

If I recall correctly, I think I'd rather grow the marijuana; the fines were cheaper.
30 posted on 01/14/2005 9:33:25 PM PST by kingu (Which would you bet on? Iraq and Afghanistan? Or Haiti and Kosovo?)
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To: drt1

How about "The politicians who waste and abscond with taxpayers money are stealing from every one of US"

Politicians and bureaucrats for the most part are a pharisaical-elite class. The illusion of them as benefactors is wearing very thin. They have amassed millions of "enemies" that are awaking to realize them for what they are--frauds.

31 posted on 01/14/2005 9:33:27 PM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: Zon

WHAT would I say to this idiot bloomberg if I saw im face to face about this???

just "F.O. F.face!"

I apologize for anyone who might be offended by my abbreviations - but anything less direct to these "people" and they would think you were giving them a compliment.


32 posted on 01/14/2005 9:33:45 PM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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To: Zon

The laws of just about every state say you are supposed to 'fess up to the state tax authorities about buying out of state gear, and pay the equivalent in sales taxes to the state. That was always the case for me in New York, in Connecticut, and now in Vermont.

Fat chance. I don't imagine they get a whole lot of responses to these invitations.


33 posted on 01/14/2005 9:34:50 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Zon
"The law says you got to pay your taxes. The handful of people who don't are just stealing from the rest of us," Bloomberg said in a weekly radio address.

If the goal of sin taxation is to eradicate the vice, how is avoiding paying the tax a theft by smokers from non smokers.

The other thing Bloomberg and his pink republicans and red democrats ought to understand, the more you tax, the bigger grows the black market. Then comes less revenue. Then comes riots and revolution. Then follows the takeover by a warlord and patricians. Then follows the mass purges. Where have I seen this before. Why of course in South America. All we need are a few more millions of illegal Spanish Amerians to make it work here.

34 posted on 01/14/2005 9:35:41 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Some say what's good for others, the others make the goods; it's the meddlers against the peddlers)
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To: kingu

From what I understand, no permit is required. You only need one if you plan to sell what you grow.


35 posted on 01/14/2005 9:36:54 PM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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To: AirForceMom

That's why we left two years ago to NC. I have more shooter toys and smokes at 1/3 the price. Going to the trap range in the AM. - oh wait, it is the AM. Time for beddie-by. Ciao!


36 posted on 01/14/2005 9:40:09 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: BurbankKarl
California food stamps at 50 cents on the dollar

Food stamps were replaced with EBT in 2002.

37 posted on 01/14/2005 9:40:49 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Zon
It's against the law to buy something out of state and bring it in and avoid sales tax,

Capital BULL, Capital S$#t. I buy cigarettes, clothes and everything else either in PA or NJ. Cigarettes especially in Pa. Now the idiot wants to make commerce between states illegal? I don't live in NYC but upstate and if it "flies" in NYC, the rest of the state will try to follow.

38 posted on 01/14/2005 9:41:48 PM PST by DJ MacWoW ("Don't give me any of your 6th grade Michael Moore logic" Sec'y Defense Heller on 24)
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To: Zon

States think you are their property. Many want you to pay sales tax on things you bought elsewhere and bring into the state. In Washington, they were actually putting people in parking lots in Oregon for a while(no sales tax) to try and bust people making large purchases(appliances, TVs,etc) in Oregon and bringing them into Washington. These people are beneath pond scum.


39 posted on 01/14/2005 9:42:07 PM PST by microgood (Washington State: Ukraine without the poison)
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To: RandallFlagg
Actually, we smokers are simply expected to grab the ankles.

Well I'm on your side. You've been forced to discover the exact length and width of the shaft many times over and I think it's outrageous.
40 posted on 01/14/2005 9:42:54 PM PST by Jaysun (DEMOCRATS: "We need to be more effective at fooling people.")
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To: Jaysun

We are the last, safe bastion of legalized extortion.


41 posted on 01/14/2005 9:45:40 PM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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To: RandallFlagg
We haven't been extorted in 18 months. We have a reservation 40 minutes away. Beautiful drive out in the country every two weeks and Bloomberg can b*te me on the taxes.
42 posted on 01/14/2005 9:49:26 PM PST by AirForceMom (They are scarmabling out of the woodwork.....call the paver.)
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To: cyborg

That idiot won't allow people to smoke publicly but he wants the money from cigarette taxes! What a hypocrite!


43 posted on 01/14/2005 9:49:49 PM PST by beckysueb (God bless America and President Bush.)
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To: Zon

Bloomberg and New York can kiss our butts!!!!!!!!

I quit smoking thirty four years ago, I am immune from their threats.

Can you NY smokers envision just how much more pleasure than smoking, you could derive from quitting enmasse, and watching Bloomberg begging New Yorkers to go back to smoking for the sake of the government that needs the taxes they put on smokers, a hell of a lot more than smokers need the big government that can't live without tobacco taxes?

Absolute power corrupts absolutely, but what the heck smokers-excersizing your absolute powers could clean your lungs while washing the corruption from government. It's a win, win situation for you smokers and catch as catch can, crow eating situation for your foes.


44 posted on 01/14/2005 9:51:35 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (The Progrossive Democrats are never so small a minority that they can't screw every thing up.)
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To: Zon
Pomposity knows no bounds

What next? NY State Customs offices at all state boundaries?

And from cigarettes, they'll move on to ANY and ALL purchases on the net...That's the game plan. They figure cigarettes is the most plausible to start with.

Has anyone asked just HOW they got the names and purchases off the Internet? Doesn't sound legal to me

45 posted on 01/14/2005 9:52:38 PM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: Zon
"If you have a bill for $10,000 for cigarette taxes, you're a dealer, you're not just smoking," Bloomberg said.

If Bloomie has his way, that'll be the monthly tax bill for someone smoking a pack a day.

46 posted on 01/14/2005 9:55:23 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Zon

These people truly do not get it.


47 posted on 01/14/2005 9:56:07 PM PST by ServesURight
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To: BurbankKarl

Good deal on cigs there - $2.75 a pack. But, you have to buy 5 cartons at a time.


48 posted on 01/14/2005 10:00:27 PM PST by BJungNan (Did you call your congressmen to tell them to stop funding the ACLU? 202 224 3121)
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To: RandallFlagg
I roll my own and may consider growing it soon. I have the land.

That's the ticket. It's not against the law to grow tobacco. And home grown comes without all the chemicals -

Hmmm keep it up Bloombugger, When you go too far, folks will find another way.

I stopped smoking decades ago, when packs were only 35 cents - think of the money I've saved@

But this reminds me of when - back during the Carter Regime, when they purposely drove up the price of gas and fuel oil by shutting down wells - the folks up here in Maine said, Helllo NO, we ain't gonna pay it and fixed up their chimneys, put in a wood stove and went back to wood heat. And a great majority still burn wood today.

49 posted on 01/14/2005 10:02:17 PM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: kingu

[01/13/05]

The Finance Department has ordered smokers who bought tax-free cigarettes on the Internet to pay city taxes on their purchases.

The demands were made in letters mailed this week, The Daily News and The New York Post reported in Thursday editions.

"This is the first time we've done this," Finance Commissioner Martha Stark told the News. "It's part of a new, long-term effort to ensure we're enforcing the cigarette tax laws."

The city mailed letters to about 2,300 people whose names were obtained from the Web site Cigs4Cheap.com, which is no longer operating, the News said. The letters warned that recipients who failed to pay the back taxes would be penalized up to $200 for every carton purchased online.

In 2002, New York City smokers began paying $1.50 in city tax on a pack of cigarettes _ up from the previous 8 cents a pack. Combined with a state tax increase, the cost of a typical pack of cigarettes in the city jumped to a nation-high $7.50.

Hoping to avoid paying the taxes, some smokers turned to Internet sites, mail-order catalogs and tax-exempt Indian merchants.






200.00 PER carton fine.


50 posted on 01/14/2005 10:02:52 PM PST by AirForceMom (They are scarmabling out of the woodwork.....call the paver.)
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