Posted on 01/15/2005 6:39:11 AM PST by wgeorge2001
Bump!
Alas, I do agree with you! The overall system is a disgusting mess. Pockets of good schools, with good teachers, in good communities will naturally rise above the cluster*&*^ we call public education!
Ted Kennedy and the others like him are a poverty pimps.
Letting criminals out of jail further worsening the Ghetto neighborhoods and putting children in danger.
Yes, I agree. My children go to a public school and I'm pleased with the education they're receiving. The teachers do tend to keep their political opinions to themselves, although occasionally, there is one that just can't help it.
I would have to guess that public schools are getting more and more like most major colleges; liberal with an agenda. I am not shocked any more when I hear of public schools refusing to teach the declaration of independence while at the same time teaching "alternative" lifestyles and multiculturalism.
I believe you and glad you spoke up. Just believe us too; they're are not all good.
I went to school on Long Island. East Islip High School, recently graduated on '03.
Oh noooooooooooooooooooooooo
Relax. Every so often the Freep posts something like this to flush out all the loonies.
PS. The initials "RC" stand for "REAL CRAZY".
And still you'll hear and see written at FR,
"THAT isn't happening in MY pupblic school."
LOL!
One would think that I would have checked the link before linking right back to the same site.
My apologies to all.
"Relax. Every so often the Freep posts something like this to flush out all the loonies.
PS. The initials "RC" stand for "REAL CRAZY".
LOL!
"R. C. Hoiles was the publisher of the Santa Ana Register, now the Orange County Register, the flagship of media giant, Freedom Communications. We are commemorating the 40th anniversary of Mr. Hoiles publication of his great vituperation against "gun-run schools." It has been edited for length, a process newspaperman Hoiles would understand."
What's even more tragic are some of the parents out there. They can send them to the best schools and wonder why their kids are failures ... Duh - parents are the MOST influential, but nah, it's the schools fault - LOL! PARENTS are often the larger problem at home.
I will tell you one "basic" thing that differs from good/bad schools of the present/past: present emphasis = non-directive education = bad; past emphasis = sound and traditional methods = good.
If the method of education used is non-directive education [also called OBE (outcome based education) or affective education, and an ever-changing list of other "names"--you can guess why that's done], which is based on HUMANISTIC PSYCHOLOGY, instead of sound and proven methods [i.e., the traditional methods of teaching by "rote" (memorization), phonics, memorizing math tables, spelling tests, etc.], then, as a general rule, the education received by the student is poor because the emphasis is no longer on learning.
Because of Humanistic Psychology, the teaching methods shifted from learning the basics to an emphasis on FEELINGS and self-esteem.
By the above standard, I received an excellent education at public school. There was no psychological manipulation on how I thought and felt. Instead, the focus was on learning grammar, spelling, memorizing multiplication tables, phonics (instead of the "whole language" approach--which is a proven failure with the majority of children and why California finally dumped the method, no longer allowing its exclusive use and went back to including phonics instruction), history, geography, music, etc.
When attending college as an adult (many years after high school), I was appalled at the poor education received by my "peers" (most noticeable with those who were 10 years + younger than me). Many were placed in remedial classes (including the one in which I was a teacher's assistant (English)), where I learned that most had no understanding whatsoever of grammar; didn't have a clue what a complete sentence was; had atrocious spelling; didn't know how to sound out new words using PHONICS.
The current "system" being used continues to be based on a failed system: non-directive education. And this approach is how new teachers are trained in the teachers' colleges, who, BTW, are products of "it" being used on them.
Not going to flame you, but you have to remenber that we all make that judgement based on what level we have set the bar at as far as standards go. If it worked for you, and satisfies your level of standards, then, yes, it was a good public school for you.
This does not mean I think you have low standards or am trying to say my standards are better than yours. They're different. I would say, that I too, had a fairly good experience with the public school system (I only attended PS for high school), but that was over 20 years ago and in a very small, rural school district. We still invited local pastors to lead prayer at graduation ceremonies then. Times have changed.
To give an example, public school is sometimes justified as the best and possibly the only way to ensure civic peace in a religiously diverse country like the United States. This rationale works like a bait and switch, because school is an engine of civic disorder far worse than the alternative where people live and **learn** in plain old freedom and religion is allowed to be religion, the organic backdrop that shapes the way we see the world.
One of school's most important effects is to ensure that most people never develop a working vocabulary of morals, liberty, and knowledge, because school preempts all these things in it's day-to-day operations, and it has to conceal that fact from the vast majority of people so that it can survive as an institution.
School has this threefold effect because while purporting to be a sort of publicly-driven "knowledge engine" it actually pushes religious knowledge to the side; it inflicts a long-lasting regimen of drill and compulsion on everybody; and it tries to put knowledge in a box, treating it like a museum specimen that no longer lives or breathes but can be patronizingly "admired" and clinically dissected from a distance. These qualities of school cannot be changed, because that would be the death knell of schooling. So I ask, is there truly a crisis that threatens the civic peace, that makes it necessary to subject people to thirteen years of drill instruction in amoral, ignorant servility?
PARENTS are usually products of public schools.
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