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Famed War Correspondent Joe Galloway Calls for U.S. Pullout After Iraq Elections
Editor & Publisher ^ | Jan 14 05 | Editor & Publisher

Posted on 01/15/2005 7:10:37 PM PST by churchillbuff

YORK In his latest column for Knight Ridder newspapers, famed war correspondent Joseph L. Galloway, a Bronze Star winner, calls for the United States, following Iraqi elections on Jan. 30, to "declare victory and begin leaving."

He joins the rather small band of commentators or editorialists advocating withdrawal.

Last month, in a USA Today column, founder Al Neuharth called for the United States to leave Iraq "sooner rather than later."

Galloway, co-author of "We Were Soldiers Once... and Young," won a Bronze Star in Vietnam after saving the lives of several soldiers and has covered nearly every major conflict since, including the current one.

In his current column he writes that if we stay the course in Iraq "we're likely doomed to an even bloodier and more costly defeat in a country divided along ethnic and religious fault lines and headed toward civil war. ...

"The problem is that there is no way we can win -- defeat the insurgents and install a stable, democratic, friendly government -- and bad things are going to happen anyway. There is no way Americans are willing to pay the price even of stalemate, never mind an unattainable victory. ...

"Why can't we win? Because we charged in with false premises and bogus assumptions. Because for every insurgent we kill, two or three more join the cause. Because even our advertised victories -- like Fallujah, where we apparently had to destroy the city in order to save it, or Samarra or Ramadi -- only turned the entire Sunni population against the United States and its Iraqi allies. ...

"If we learned nothing else from the bitter history of Vietnam it should be that there are places and people who won't accept change and won't quit fighting until even the most powerful nation and army in the world wearies of the killing and dying. ...

"As we approach the second anniversary of our invasion of Iraq we need to be discussing and debating what we are gaining, if anything, from this war and what we are losing."


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KEYWORDS: chamberlainbuff; galloway; iraq; neville
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1 posted on 01/15/2005 7:10:38 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

Joe Galloway.

Was he on the ballot in November?


2 posted on 01/15/2005 7:12:16 PM PST by Chummy (Liberals -- the other Red meat.)
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To: churchillbuff

Another arm-chair quarterback weighs in.


3 posted on 01/15/2005 7:13:28 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: churchillbuff

Yes, just pull out and remove the likely major force keeping the country from exploding in violence... He must be a smart one.


4 posted on 01/15/2005 7:13:37 PM PST by Brian328i
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To: churchillbuff
Unknown FReeper rdb3 calls for Joe Galloway to STFU.


5 posted on 01/15/2005 7:13:47 PM PST by rdb3 (Real men don't whine. It's 2005 and everyone's gonna feel it this year.)
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To: Chummy

"famed war correspondent"

Who asked him??


6 posted on 01/15/2005 7:14:28 PM PST by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: churchillbuff
THE LIBERAL CONVICTION: Dam it. If the elections go through then maybe the war is not lost like we are claiming. Well then, let us declare defeat any way and cut and run.

The RATS think this is 1975 not 2005. They are in for the surprise of their political lives.

7 posted on 01/15/2005 7:14:41 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: churchillbuff

This guy's just jumping on the bandwagon--I haven't heard much from him since the movie came out--but it's funny, I have a sense that we WILL begin pulling out many forces (certainly not all) earlier than some think, and this guy and others will be claiming THEY had something to do with it.


8 posted on 01/15/2005 7:16:27 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Americans never quit. --Gen. Douglas MacArthur)
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To: Petronski

Ping to the usual.


9 posted on 01/15/2005 7:17:27 PM PST by dighton
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To: Darkwolf377
we WILL begin pulling out many forces (certainly not all) earlier than some think, and this guy and others will be claiming THEY had something to do with it.

Downright annoying, isn't it?

10 posted on 01/15/2005 7:20:08 PM PST by squidly (I have always felt that a politician is to be judged by the animosity he excites among his opponents)
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To: Samurai_Jack
"He joins the rather small band of commentators or editorialists advocating withdrawal."

Well, that settles it then.
11 posted on 01/15/2005 7:20:44 PM PST by Chummy (Liberals -- the other Red meat.)
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To: churchillbuff

The best way out of Iraq may be through Syria...Hate to say it. Hate to see it...


12 posted on 01/15/2005 7:21:37 PM PST by donozark
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To: squidly

I imagine he will predict the Allied forces prevail in WW2 any day now.


13 posted on 01/15/2005 7:22:15 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Americans never quit. --Gen. Douglas MacArthur)
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To: churchillbuff

That what happens when a wide receiver from the fantasy football league, tries to throw off the double-reverse option. (He's intercepted by FReeper defense and it's run back for a touchdown.)


14 posted on 01/15/2005 7:23:27 PM PST by PGalt
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To: Darkwolf377

Is he one of those whining for a "pause" in the war in Afghanistan to give the enemy time to restock and reload?

The right answer to this mug is "We will give your suggestion all the consideration it deserves." And try not to laugh out loud til you get back to the oval office.


15 posted on 01/15/2005 7:25:11 PM PST by KateatRFM
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To: churchillbuff
I wonder how Mr. Galloway would like it if President Bush and the Generals told him how to do his damn job.
16 posted on 01/15/2005 7:25:20 PM PST by Prime Choice (I only appear to be resting. On a molecular level, I'm busy as hell.)
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To: churchillbuff

Bet Hal Moore would like to b!tch slap this little liberal putz! Past heroic do not pardon future stupidity!


17 posted on 01/15/2005 7:27:11 PM PST by Bommer
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To: churchillbuff
He joins the rather small band of commentators or editorialists advocating withdrawal.

Sometimes called the Stone-age Prolificators!

Pray for W and Our Troops

18 posted on 01/15/2005 7:29:07 PM PST by bray (The Rather-hate Scandal was to Back Michael Maroon!)
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To: sinkspur
Another arm-chair quarterback weighs in.

How many people have you talked to who work close to the Iraq mission (with NO political agenda)? Unfortuantely, many who work close to that mission share the views written and for very valid reaons. President Bush is doing what he thinks is the right thing to do -- however, it appears he was misled as far as the weapons of mass destruction. There are good reasons pro and con to be involved in Iraq. Whether the pros outweight the cons should be open for debate. Name-calling sheds no light on this important subject one way or the other.

19 posted on 01/15/2005 7:31:21 PM PST by EverOnward
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To: churchillbuff

Maybe we should just pull out and tell the Iraqi's we're doing it because of morons like Neuharth and Galloway. If the place goes to hell, we send the Iraqi hit squads Galloway's and Neuharth's addresses.

Galloway asks "what are we losing?" For one thing, we have lost all semblence of journalistic integrity. The media who once could be counted upon to take the side of the defenders of freedom and democracy now would much rather see it destroyed, than see Bush gain a political victory.

Imagine people had Galloway's commitment after WWII. It took ages democratize and stabalize countris like Germany and Japan. But was it worth it? Of course. Look at Kosovo - the left's favourite war. People are still dying from bomb attacks over there.

All we ask, Mr Joe Galloway, is for you to stop being such a hypocrite.


20 posted on 01/15/2005 7:32:31 PM PST by Trippin
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To: churchillbuff

Here we go again...


21 posted on 01/15/2005 7:33:33 PM PST by Veritas et equitas ad Votum (If the Constitution "lives and breathes", it dies.)
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To: bray

OUR Worl in this Region is Only Just BEGINNING. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, etc. The Powder Keg is primed and ready to explode. When these ponificators have such short sightedness it shows their true colors. Anyone with half a brain will realize that Saudi Arabia will be the Next great effort. it will get worse before it gets better, we all should have much patience and steadfastness. The Battle has Yet to begin, in earnest...


22 posted on 01/15/2005 7:34:28 PM PST by GoldenOrchid
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To: Chummy

No, we should leave when the job is done. We had a similar crowd of know-it-alls demanding that we withdraw from Vietnam in the 60's and 70's. We know how well Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia turned out after we left.


23 posted on 01/15/2005 7:36:56 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: churchillbuff

Another nonentity checks in.


24 posted on 01/15/2005 7:37:04 PM PST by aculeus
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To: popdonnelly

Those same know-nothings disregarded our roles in post-war Germany and Japan, p. Their backers became more obvious with the passing of time; who now shores those who would seek the felling of our nation and our way of life?

I couldn't agree with you more.


25 posted on 01/15/2005 7:39:30 PM PST by Chummy (Liberals -- the other Red meat.)
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To: churchillbuff
In his current column he writes that if we stay the course in Iraq "we're likely doomed to an even bloodier and more costly defeat in a country divided along ethnic and religious fault lines and headed toward civil war. ...

"The problem is that there is no way we can win -- defeat the insurgents and install a stable, democratic, friendly government -- and bad things are going to happen anyway. There is no way Americans are willing to pay the price even of stalemate, never mind an unattainable victory. ...

Where is Sergeant Major "Any-of-you-a**holes-call-me-grandpa . . . I'll-kill-you" Basil L. Pumley when we need him to whisper a few encouraging words into the ear of his old Ia Drang Valley bud?

26 posted on 01/15/2005 7:40:42 PM PST by Racehorse
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To: churchillbuff

Not until the job is done


27 posted on 01/15/2005 7:41:12 PM PST by chemical_boy
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To: sinkspur

I have to agree. Everyone wants to be the president. Once troops are committed, the discussion is over. Joe's opinion only helps the enemy. It's a bit above his pay grade too!


28 posted on 01/15/2005 7:41:14 PM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: Brian328i

LOL! You're really good with statements of the obvious. Too bad Joe's not as bright!


29 posted on 01/15/2005 7:41:56 PM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: EverOnward

I would hardly call "arm-chair quarterback" name-calling.

How many people have you talked to who work close to the Iraq mission, and how do you know how many share this point of view?

" however, it appears he was misled as far as the weapons of mass destruction." As was the previous administration, if in fact it is true that Saddam never had them, or was never exploring the capabilities of making them.


30 posted on 01/15/2005 7:43:09 PM PST by Theresawithanh (2005! My resolution: FReep even MORE this year!!!)
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To: donozark

I think you are right. We haven't engaged Iraq and Afghanistan only to leave Syria, Iran and N. Korea as transnational terrorist training grounds.


31 posted on 01/15/2005 7:43:44 PM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: churchillbuff

who?

Is he on fox?

must be french? that or

GASP! HE KNOWS KERRY'S SUPER DUPER SECRET AMAZING FULL COLOR PLAN FOR VICTORY IN IRAQ!!!!!!


32 posted on 01/15/2005 7:44:20 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Bommer

Yep. Benedict Arnold and John Kerry should be enough to prove that to anyone.


33 posted on 01/15/2005 7:44:41 PM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: churchillbuff
There is no way Americans are willing to pay the price even of stalemate, never mind an unattainable victory. ...

The lesson our enemies learned in Viet Nam was "Have patience".

Be patient and wait for the American media to tell the American people that the war is lost.

Be patient and wait for the American street demonstrators to fill the TV screens with anti-American rhetoric.

All Islam has to do is be patient.

34 posted on 01/15/2005 7:46:56 PM PST by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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To: EverOnward

I have a simple question for you. When some dictatorial nut is routinely firing missiles at your fellow countrymen, do you think that constitutes an imminent threat that needs to be responded to by eliminating the nut?


35 posted on 01/15/2005 7:48:15 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: churchillbuff
The defeatists are coming in drove in the last few days.

We will withdraw from Iraq when we achieve our goals of establishing a sovereign non terrorist government, destroy all the terrorists in Iraq, and make Iraq as the model for the new Middle East where other counties in the ME should follow. Any withdrawal before this is a defeat. We will not be defeated, we are winning this war, we will win this war.

36 posted on 01/15/2005 7:48:22 PM PST by jveritas
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37 posted on 01/15/2005 7:48:50 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Wonder how many of your fellow countrymen know which missiles and which dictatorial nut you're talking about?

I'd like to be wrong, but I tend to think few even have an idea how many retalitory sorties were flown against that nut long before the "official" war broke out.


38 posted on 01/15/2005 7:51:48 PM PST by Racehorse
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To: churchillbuff

Joe is a hero, and he is right. If you disagree, maybe you should take your blinders off and study the history of Iraq, and then talk to anybody who has spent time fighting over there. I was for the war in the beginning, but this man is right. The part where he is wrong though, is when we leave, nothing should be left alive in the entire country.


39 posted on 01/15/2005 7:54:35 PM PST by thesoothsayers
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To: Racehorse

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As we all use to call him in Vietnam,

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40 posted on 01/15/2005 7:55:17 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: EverOnward

Yes, you are correct, many many I have spoken too know that we are in a mess. Regular marines, who are trained just to kill, and enjoy doing it. They even know that we can not win. The place is a crap hole, and we should leave it now. We can't though, because of the oil, and that is the reason we stay.
I have a simple solution, arm the Kurds, tell Turkey to stick it, and let them take over the damn muslums and wipe them all out.


41 posted on 01/15/2005 7:57:15 PM PST by thesoothsayers
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To: vbmoneyspender
When some dictatorial nut is routinely firing missiles at your fellow countrymen, do you think that constitutes an imminent threat that needs to be responded to by eliminating the nut?

We haven't eliminated the nut - we're screwing around with the nut. We need to shoot the nut in the head and begin leaving, with a threat to return if they screw with us.

Or would you rather we stay there forever, like South Korea, Japan, Germany, Bosnia, Haiti, Phillipines etc. etc.? What are we - the World Occupying Force?

42 posted on 01/15/2005 7:57:26 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Brian328i

Let them "explode in violence" if that's what they want.


43 posted on 01/15/2005 7:58:42 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: Racehorse

It's like our country has collective amnesia on that issue. Not even people like Dennis Prager or Hugh Hewitt seem to remember that Hussein fired 100s of missiles at our pilots before we went to war. I always like to ask opponents of the war if firing 100s of missiles at our pilots doesn't constitute grounds for going to war, then what does? When they respond that we had to wait for Hussein to actually kill some of our pilots, I then ask if they hold that same position with respect to our response to Hitler's declaration of war on us?


44 posted on 01/15/2005 7:59:04 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: Bommer
Great point.

This jounrnalist, Joe Galloway, was also played as a character in "we were soldiers" the Mel Gibson movie about the first battle of Vietnam.

45 posted on 01/15/2005 7:59:11 PM PST by jveritas
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To: churchillbuff

Southack On Iraq: The Great Poker Surprise

For Iraq, we have a beautiful thing going; the press thinks that we're losing, the armchair ankle-biters think that we're losing, and the terrorists think that we're losing.  All that you have to do is to ask them about the impending Iraqi elections and they all exclaim that there will be too much violence to hold them.  They're wrong.

What we're losing in Iraq are 1 to 2 Americans per day.

What we've gotten in exchange are the deaths of more than 100,000 jihadis, the vast waste of pro-jihadis funds, the cut-off of Saudi jihadist funds, Hussein in jail, Hussein's money cut off from the Palestinians, control of Pakistani nukes, the end of Egypt's, Lybia's, and Iraq's WMD programs, a strategic base from which to next strike any of Lebanon, Syria, or more likely: Iran...as well as a perfect roach motel in which jihadis come from all over to check in, but they don't check out alive.

Attacks in Iraq are down from 98 per day to 46 per day. Elections are coming up, and more than 120,000 Iraqi soldiers have now graduated from U.S. training.

We're flowing more oil out of Iraq right now than what Hussein managed to do pre-war. We've got more electricity over there, more teachers, more doctors, and better staffed local hospitals for the natives.

It's a thing of beauty.

In poker, the object is to convince your opponents to bet big when they have lousy hands. That's Iraq. The news media, the French, and the Jihadis all have lousy hands in Iraq, yet they believe their own hype and naively think that they are winning.

You couldn't script a war, an occupation, a Reconstruction, and the implementation of democracy into a previously authoritarian land any better than what has been done. Certainly not more craftily. Bush and Rumsfeld have been *brilliant* in sitting there taking the abuse from the critics; that's essential to the poker side of this fight.

The #1 Shi'ite cleric, Sistani, is the *biggest* backer of Iraqi elections. The #2 backer would be the entire Kurdish population, and the #3 backer is the Sunni President Alawhi.

That leaves the Jihadis with recruiting Iraqi Ba'athists and foreign fighters...hardly the stuff of a successful (or even threatening) rebellion.

We'll have the elections, and I predict the "Violence" during the elections to be less than the 110 adults shot dead on the average day in Rio, Brazil. Iraq will come out more like Afghanistan than Lebanon, and this will serve as a major morale-buster for the local "support" of the foreign fighter jihadis.

Likewise, the liberal news media will have to eat crow if the violence turns out to be anti-climatic.

One would have to ask the liberal reporters (and Stratfor) just *why* they were surprised by the subdued violence against the elections. They are all betting that the violence exceeds the hype...that's a bad hand to be playing.

It won't.


46 posted on 01/15/2005 7:59:32 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Hank Rearden

Our basic war strategy is to never fight a war on American soil. Fighting the war in Iraq is simply carrying out that strategy, which, more than anything else, has enabled our country to become what it is today.


47 posted on 01/15/2005 8:01:14 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: thesoothsayers

"We can't though, because of the oil, and that is the reason we stay."

Riiiight. I've read some of your other posts, you're goofy.


49 posted on 01/15/2005 8:04:04 PM PST by Theresawithanh (2005! My resolution: FReep even MORE this year!!!)
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To: Southack

That is pretty funny, oil shipping fact is totally false. You can pull up tanker bookings and rates and they have imploded out of Iraq, if they are pumping oil, it is being hidden somewhere, it ain't coming here.


50 posted on 01/15/2005 8:04:29 PM PST by thesoothsayers
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