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U.S. news & World Report ^ | 1/24/05

Posted on 01/16/2005 3:10:20 AM PST by nickcarraway

You don't have to take it from us about Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton 's desire to run for president. Her brothers, Hugh and Tony Rodham, say it's true. Friends tell us that the two are cheering Sis on and say she's making all the moves to get ready for the race--presuming she is re-elected by New Yorkers in 2006.


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1 posted on 01/16/2005 3:10:20 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Her unroyal lowness,
her hideous heinous--
Bwtich Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de Sade!

2 posted on 01/16/2005 3:12:29 AM PST by Las Vegas Dave
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To: nickcarraway

Of course, she's in. If she wasn't interested in the job, she and Bill would have been divorced years ago. Support for Hil's presidential run is the last installment payment due.


3 posted on 01/16/2005 3:13:04 AM PST by independentmind
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I can't wait for the '08 Dem primaries...Kerry vs. Gore vs. Hillary!


4 posted on 01/16/2005 3:13:58 AM PST by West Coast Conservative
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To: nickcarraway
Site Meter
And she loves Bill's favorite too...
5 posted on 01/16/2005 3:14:39 AM PST by KMC1
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To: independentmind

You are 100% correct.


6 posted on 01/16/2005 3:15:40 AM PST by Roscoe Karns
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To: West Coast Conservative

LOL!


7 posted on 01/16/2005 3:17:05 AM PST by Jet Jaguar (Civilization is an enormous improvement on the lack thereof. (O'Rourke))
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To: West Coast Conservative
I can't wait for the '08 Dem primaries...Kerry vs. Gore vs. Hillary!

You can bet that Hillary has files on Kerry, Gore and anyone else she considers a threat to her coronation!

8 posted on 01/16/2005 3:17:09 AM PST by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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To: nickcarraway; All
We are getting ready for her:

     



-Hillary Clinton- archives, comments, and opposition research --

-The Clinton Files--

-Murder, Inc. [repost] --

-ATTENTION BLOODHOUNDS--

-Women in the Clinton Era: Abuse,Intimidation and Smears--

Hillary's delegates spit on and taunt Police Honor Guard at her Convention

Catastrophic intelligence Failure - Clinton's Bin Laden GATE

CIA Officials Reveal What Went Wrong – Clinton to Blame

DOWNSIDE LEGACY AT TWO DEGREES OF PRESIDENT CLINTON
 

And yes, that picture is the one of Hill kissing Suha Arafat ( "wife" of The Littlest Terrorist ) after Suha had accused the Israelis of poisoning Palestinian children...

9 posted on 01/16/2005 3:19:24 AM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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To: nickcarraway

Take the link for some dirt on the Kerry goose chase. "Some staff members eventually suggested that he hunt for spring turkey in a bid to win the gun crowd. But...they ended up choosing Canada geese as his prey. 'He had to kill something,' said one of Kerry's campaign outfitters, 'or the whole idea would have been a failure.'"


10 posted on 01/16/2005 3:23:18 AM PST by Graymatter (Happy New Year FR!)
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To: nickcarraway

CONDOLEEZZA 2008!!!


11 posted on 01/16/2005 3:26:57 AM PST by an italian (We are proud B countries: Bush, Berlusconi and Blair!!!!)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Indeed. Sadly.

de Sade-ly.

Was feeling just now . . . prayer could really sabotage her, it seems to me.

I feel that events between now and then will be extremely dramatic. And, we can pray that she will be utterly and totally scuttled by them.

Also, that we can pray that she will not remotely succeed in 2006 but will be so humiliated then or otherwise taken totally out of the picture.

I have some hope about this more than before. Trouble is, what takes her out of the picture--not another person--but events--may be, in a variety of ways, worse than her. In any case, the events are virtually destined. I don't think much will hold them back--whatever they are.


12 posted on 01/16/2005 3:39:15 AM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I just had a thought, if Hillary won, that would mean ol'Bill would be back in the white house. And if that isn't bad enough, he would be....The first "gentleman?" He would do what the first ladies do?


13 posted on 01/16/2005 3:42:46 AM PST by repinwi
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To: nickcarraway

My dear mother has a saying, "if wishes were horses, beggars would ride", and that sums up Senator Hildabeast's chances of winning the presidency.

First of all, she has to get past a re-election campaign in 2006, and that means that she will (at some point) have to pledge that she will serve out a FULL term of office IF she is re-elected (because any challenger, if they've got the sense God gave a goose, will hammer her with that). Assuming she is re-elected in 2006 (which is by no means a given), then she has to get a presidential campaign up and running PRONTO, because her rivals for the nomination are already watching her like a hawk and she doesn't have the luxury of just sitting on her fat azz and waiting for the convention to come calling for her to 'save' the party.

Second, she will have to successfully navigate a national primary campaign, and her credentials are shaky: 1 term Senator (presumably in her 2nd term by 2008), former 'First Female' (because she ain't no lady), and she brings with her all the baggage and corruption of the eight years of Clinton/Gore/Reno, and her primary opponents will go nuclear on her with that vast reserve of material. And she won't have the advantage of limiting media access only to those who surrender their spine and agree to her 'ground rules' on questioning as she demands right now. There is also the bigger question of how she can manage the pressures of a national campaign that will keep her in the spotlight 24/7. My bet is that when SHE is the center of attention, she won't be able to handle it.

Third, her entire political philosophy will come under fire: her mysterious thesis paper from Wellesley that was reportedly so pro-Marxist that she had it sealed from public view, her ham-handed attempt to nationalize health care that was roundly rejected by the American people and the Congress, her involvement in the endless scandals of Billigula (not to mention the latest indictment of her former fund raising guy just this past week).

Finally, if Howard Dean should somehow become the next DNC chairman, the Clintons won't have ANY friend in that position (as they did with their appointed hand puppet Terry 'The Punk' McAwful), and Dean will make it difficult if not impossible for Senator Fat Ankles to get a leg up (ewww) on the competition. Even if Dean does NOT become DNC chairman, there are still the massive numbers of far left Deaniacs that will not automatically rubber stamp Her Thighness unless she goes so far left that she falls into the same trap that Kerry did this past year.

Bottom line?

Hillary ain't got a prayer. Take that to the bank.


14 posted on 01/16/2005 3:47:50 AM PST by Mad Mammoth
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To: independentmind
Ah, but do not miss the underlying dynamics.

We are not fighting Hillary, we are up against the Clintons.

Bill wants to be back in the White House very, very badly, he is a proven winner, and he, not Hillary, has the machine to do it with.

He will get a very prominent position, and a bully pulpit to preach from to the entire world.

The MSM will be in his favorite position, on their knees, hailing the soon be be triumphant return of the prodigal son, and every sore loser democrat will be lining up for the early vote.

This time there will be endless pictures of them with foreign dignitaries, and Bill will not allow the kooks from the fringe to be near Hillary.
Just watch how little media coverage the bomb throwers get this time around.

Make no mistake, the Clinton's will be very, very difficult to beat, and we had best prepare to really do something to soften up some states such as Pennsylvania, or we will once again be hearing "president Clinton" for 8 years.

15 posted on 01/16/2005 3:49:44 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Quix
"Also, that we can pray that she will not remotely succeed in 2006 but will be so humiliated then or otherwise taken totally out of the picture."

I hope the New York GOP if it runs another sacrifice, like Mills was against Schumer, at least they will pick one that won`t treat her with kid gloves.
I don`t mean just throw mud at her but at least raise the "uncomfortable" issues like cattle futures,Rose law firm documents,pardons,campaign finance fraud, the list goes on and on.

Lazio got bullied into being a Katie Couric candidate to keep the press off him.
Whoever we run against her, has to not worry about losing and trying to be liked by the media outlets, but to show her as the criminal she is.
Who knows they might just win that way.They will certainly lose being 'nice" to her.

16 posted on 01/16/2005 3:52:50 AM PST by carlr
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To: Las Vegas Dave

God loves a cheerful giver and hates a thief.


17 posted on 01/16/2005 3:54:26 AM PST by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: Mad Mammoth
From your lips to God's ears, although I can't say that I am as sure as you. For a while I thought the DNC chair was a key element, but I'm not so sure of that anymore. The DNC has been ineffectual for years now and the Clintons have a pile of cash and a machine that we have underestimated for too long. She's perfected the art of sheltering herself from her mouth mistakes and the dems are so desperate for a hero that they'll follow her deaf and blind to 2008. We're going to need a new Swift-anyone for Truth group next election.
18 posted on 01/16/2005 3:56:59 AM PST by Centaur (Never practice moderation to excess.)
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To: Mad Mammoth
Have to disagree.

Everything that she has ever done will be forgiven, and swept under the rug of the past.
Just as Bill would have won a 3rd term in a landslide, so will Hillary win nomination..

Hillary will skate to the nomination, we had best prepare for that,and you can take that to the bank.
19 posted on 01/16/2005 3:57:02 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Mad Mammoth
I disagree. She is all the D's have....and the Clintons are in complete control of the party. She'll approve/choose the DNC chair, and regardless of what is published, Bill will manage her campaign.

Remember, this is the same electorate that chose her husband....twice. They are fickle, and easily swayed by something as mindless as name recognition.

20 posted on 01/16/2005 4:01:02 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: independentmind
Step two:

Bubba now gets on the phone and starts to convince McCain, Giuliani, Whitman or Powell to run as a third party candidate to split up the conservative-moderate voters.

Our only hope is that her chief fundraiser, David Rosen, chooses to spill the beans over doing time! Hillary can't run for president if she's in jail!

(Current Tradesports odds Hillary #1 at 31.2-33.8 for the nomination, the Dems already 50.8-51.9 for winning the 2008 election!)

21 posted on 01/16/2005 4:01:31 AM PST by Sooth2222
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To: Centaur
the dems are so desperate for a hero that they'll follow her deaf and blind to 2008.

Absolutely correct.

We're going to need a new Swift-anyone for Truth group next election.

I have serious concerns about the next election.

I strongly believe that we need to win more states, since I don't see us winning everything then that we won now.

I still believe that Pa. should be targeted for a win.
22 posted on 01/16/2005 4:04:38 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Las Vegas Dave
I think this comment by Hillary will turn out to be her "I voted for the $87 Billion before I voted it against it" gaffe.


23 posted on 01/16/2005 4:07:18 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: nickcarraway
--presuming she is re-elected by New Yorkers in 2006.

She ain't gonna run again for senator.

24 posted on 01/16/2005 4:08:13 AM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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To: nickcarraway
Hillary Sin
25 posted on 01/16/2005 4:08:37 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: Mad Mammoth
First of all, she has to get past a re-election campaign in 2006...

Of course, she will.

"The last time anybody made a list of the top hundred character attributes of New Yorkers, common sense snuck in at number 79." -Douglas Noel Adams (1952-2001)

26 posted on 01/16/2005 4:12:59 AM PST by Sooth2222
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To: Mad Mammoth

"First of all, she has to get past a re-election campaign in 2006, and that means that she will (at some point) have to pledge that she will serve out a FULL term of office IF she is re-elected (because any challenger, if they've got the sense God gave a goose, will hammer her with that)."

Not really that much of a problem.

First, she'll make the pledge while winking at the crowd. They'll know she doesn't mean it and won't care.

After, re-election, she'll do a listening tour to select audiences who'll confirm that they want her to run.

Second, most of the democrats will think the defeat of the republicans completely justify this.

Third, too many women will swallow the 'it's time for a woman president' koolaid.

Fourth, Bill made the same pledge in Arkansaw.


27 posted on 01/16/2005 4:13:02 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: Mad Mammoth
You make some great points, but the MSM will portray Kerry, Gore, Dean, any and all comers, as unwinnable. They will steer Bayh as Hillary's VP as a sop to the DLC and the moderates, and to shake up the Midwest. That's why DNC candidate Tim Roemer (ex-Indiana congressman) was on George Steponallofus last Sunday -- as a stalking horse for Bayh.

Of all the scenarios you cite, Dean could screw up Hillary's chances the most. He could build the core Leftist base by a couple of million, and they will be intransigent about including Bayh or anything even remotely moderate in Hillary's world socialism platform.

28 posted on 01/16/2005 4:37:06 AM PST by StAnDeliver
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To: Mad Mammoth

If Hillary even gets the Democrat nomination, it would belie ALL the conventional wisdom that the past election was all about moral values and in review, Democrats realized they had to get some or at least put up a pretense that they had done so. A redux of the Clintons would serve as a slap in the face to those who turned out in droves supporting Bush.

In fact, if voter's concerns are really as all the surveys said -- the War in Iraq and values, then there's no way Democrats would stick Hillary up there. She would be one of the least likely Dem candidates to have a history and answers to allay voter concerns about those issues.


29 posted on 01/16/2005 4:39:25 AM PST by randita
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To: West Coast Conservative

Don't leave out screamin' "Deanie weanie"


30 posted on 01/16/2005 5:16:37 AM PST by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First let's get rid of the UN and then the ACLU, or vice versa..)
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To: carlr

AMEN.

And, I hope they become an artist at getting her goat and goading her into saying outlandish things publically.


31 posted on 01/16/2005 5:25:40 AM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: repinwi

Bill won't be in the White House again. She'll bump him off with another heart attack special.


32 posted on 01/16/2005 5:29:37 AM PST by SaltyJoe ("Social Justice" begins with the unborn child.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

33 posted on 01/16/2005 5:59:25 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: nickcarraway

34 posted on 01/16/2005 6:00:36 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: nickcarraway

35 posted on 01/16/2005 6:00:59 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: nickcarraway

36 posted on 01/16/2005 6:02:45 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

If hiterly gets in WOE UNTO US and AMERICA. This is something we better not let happen.


37 posted on 01/16/2005 6:03:48 AM PST by JOE43270 (JOE43270 America voted and said we are One Nation Under God with Liberty and Justice for All.)
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To: Mad Mammoth
First of all, she has to get past a re-election campaign in 2006

I disagree she has to run for re-election. She can declare she plans to run for the presidency and not run for the senate. She is only too aware of the fact if she loses her senate seat, or wins by an extremely narrow margin she will be somewhat damaged goods. Furthermore, the question everyone will ask while she is running is if she intends to complete her term, and she will either have to lie, or admit she is going to be a part time senator. Hillary has absolutely no interest in being a senator. All she wants is the White House and if she sees that gone she will leave the senate in a heartbeat.

38 posted on 01/16/2005 6:05:23 AM PST by Casloy
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To: Mad Mammoth

Excellent logic and you covered all bases. Dittos. NSNR


39 posted on 01/16/2005 6:13:07 AM PST by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: bill1952

All you say about bill is true but first he has to survive his heart surgery. The surgery was in Sept. and have you seen him lately? He is not looking like a well man. From all the people I know who have had open heart surgery, at this point, he looks like the one we knew who did not survive.


40 posted on 01/16/2005 6:16:09 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Mad Mammoth
she has to get a presidential campaign up and running PRONTO

She already has the full service of the Clinton machine. She already has funds from supporters. She already has IOU's from dozens of state Dems. She already has her people in place at the DNC (remember how they infiltrated the campaign to 'help' John Kerry? yeh, right, 'help' Kerry).

She has been 'running' for the Presidency since Bill was elected in 1992.

The biggest thing in her favor is that too many Pubbies think she is harmless and can't win, so they won't take her seriously. Unless the Pubbies can find a new-face, super-star to combat her, she has a clear shot right back into the White House. Pubbies will underestimate her and her power base and her electability at their peril.
41 posted on 01/16/2005 6:36:34 AM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: mewzilla

keep talking...tell me more


42 posted on 01/16/2005 7:12:41 AM PST by NYpeanut (gulping for air, I started crying and yelling at him, "Why did you lie to me?")
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To: Ditter
Yes, I agree.
I should have stated that as well.

I believe that if Bill dies, the democratic party would turn it's back on Hillary in a NY moment, at least as far as the Executive is concerned.
43 posted on 01/16/2005 9:11:05 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: bill1952
But I don't count on it. I do know a gym owner here in Port Saint Lucie that had really major heart surgury, just like clinton had. He did look like hell for a year or so, but then he went on to set a world record in powerlifting with the APF just a year or so ago.


44 posted on 01/16/2005 9:20:04 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: anniegetyourgun
Remember, this is the same electorate that chose her husband....twice.

By less than 50% each time.

The 1st time was won because Ross Perot took the Conservative vote away from Bush 41.

The 2nd time was won because Bob Dole was way beyond his prime.

All that is needed to defeat Hillary Clinton is a good Republican candidate that will turn out the base and the swing voters.

And this candidate should never allow Hillary to play the victim when she is confronted about her shortcomings.

Hillary gets sympathy when she is on the defensive unless....the confrontation is a play on her arrogance.

For example, "Hillary Clinton talks down to people, treats them as schoolchildren, acts as she is above the average American"....

45 posted on 01/16/2005 9:33:09 AM PST by Hostage
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To: Sooth2222
actually, getting any one of them to run for VP would probably make her a shoo-in....especially Powell
46 posted on 01/16/2005 10:56:03 AM PST by stylin19a (Marines - end of discussion)
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To: nickcarraway

Good, another RAT loss in 2008.


47 posted on 01/16/2005 10:57:53 AM PST by John Lenin
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To: Hostage
"acts as she is above the average American"....

Like the time she stiffed that poor waitress out of a tip?

48 posted on 01/16/2005 2:00:31 PM PST by Las Vegas Dave
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To: SheLion

I'm sure you are excited that my Brother's are supporting me. I'm so tired of all those who don't.'

/Sarcasm OFF

49 posted on 01/17/2005 6:09:40 AM PST by sr4402
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To: sr4402
I'm sure you are excited that my Brother's are supporting me. I'm so tired of all those who don't.'

Hitlery has brothers??!! You know, I know very little about her personal life.

50 posted on 01/17/2005 6:23:45 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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