Posted on 01/16/2005 5:22:26 AM PST by dead
I think Fox is doing a good job giving both motives. However, the AP is the source of many of the articles today.
**A factoid I found interesting (from the Copts.net site) "Christians often tattoo the cross on their children's wrists. Should parents meet an early death, many courts insist on an Islamic education for their children. But the sign of the cross gives Christian orphanages a basis for requesting that they be allowed to care for the child."
I believe Detroit has the biggest Mosque in America. I would lay a bet that Detroit Mosque is the main HQ for all the rest in the United States.
I don't know if I read it or Fox News reported it, but the one girl had that cross tattooed on her wrist and who ever killed them, had put a knife wound right through that cross. More reason for suspicion.
If it was one of our own, they wouldn't have been so bitter over that cross. This is just another reason to lean toward the Muslim Fanatic as the perps.
Well, I just checked the NY Post website. The Post was the paper with the most detailed article yesterday I believe, the one that had the tatoo being slashed etc.
There is nothing at the NY Post site that I can find today on this story. Nada.
No there's been no reporting on the headless body that I've heard on Fox.
Here's a link to today's NY Post article:
http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/38798.htm
It was in print. One of the local newspapers printed the article about the headless body being found in NJ. But nothing on Fox yet. Unless they put it on the scroll and I missed it.
But, but, but the written media now states that the cross tatoo was not cut! I believe that they are dancing as fast as they can to disavow anything that supports a hate crime.
Thank you very much! I evidently didn't see the drop down box under their news section and just got the top page. Will read it now.
Severed head story not terror related
http://www.app.com/app/story/0,21625,1177950,00.html
Oh brother!
The next thing we know, they'll be back to telling us it was a disgruntled tenant that did it.
WHAAAAT???? OMG! I have heard it all now. heh!
Don't miss this thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1322534/posts
"A Berkeley rally against terrorism that featured a bombed Israeli bus turned briefly violent Sunday when angry counter demonstrators carrying Palestinian flags marched into the mostly pro-Israel crowd.
Riot police quickly separated combatants, some of whom came to blows, during the afternoon event organized by the Israeli Action Committee of the East Bay. Police cited one man on a charge of misdemeanor battery."
Most were reserved, but some 40 people, mostly men of Middle Eastern descent, yelled and exchanged taunts with pro-Israeli demonstrators across the street.
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"Two, four, six, eight, we are martyrs, we can't wait,'' chanted the group, most of whom wore kaffiyehs -- the cloth headdress closely associated with Palestinian militants."
Jan 17, 1:08 PM EST
Immigrant family slain in New Jersey; some mourners suggest motive was religious tension
By WAYNE PARRY
Associated Press Writer
JERSEY CITY, N.J. (AP) -- A funeral for a couple and their two daughters slain last week devolved into a melee following the emotional services Monday, with about 35 of the 2,000 mourners shoving and punching each other.
Tensions had been running high during the funeral procession and services for 47-year-old Hossam Armanious, his 37-year-old wife, Amal Garas, and their daughters, Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8. Some mourners blamed their deaths on religious tensions in the Coptic Christian family's native Egypt.
A brief melee between several dozen mourners spilled onto the street and into a nearby parking garage as the services ended. Police pushed mourners against cars and rolled down the metal gates of the garage, attempting to separate the fighters before telling everyone to leave.
During the service, one man was taken into police custody after repeatedly shouting anti-Muslim slogans. It was not immediately clear whether charges were filed against him or any of the people in the fight.
Published reports over the weekend said investigators were examining religious messages Armanious had posted in an Internet chat room, and mourners said the killings may have been religiously motivated.
The regional head of the Coptic church cautioned against a rush to judgment, but Monir Dowoud, president of the American Coptic Association, said Sunday that "Muslim terrorists" were responsible.
Prosecutors downplayed the possibility of a religious motive, and local Muslims vehemently disputed the suggestion. About two dozen Muslim mourners attended the funeral Monday, piling their shoes in a corner before entering, as is Islamic custom.
But anti-Muslim sentiments ran high during the procession and ceremony at St. George & St. Shenouda Coptic Orthodox Church, where the Armanious family was active since immigrating to the United States in 1997.
One man in the church shouted, "Muslim is the killer. Muslim is the killer," and was taken into custody by city police.
The procession also was marked by pushing and shoving and people shouting anti-Muslim slogans. One man ran alongside the procession screaming, "Islam is not a religion. Islam is not a religion."
More than 2,000 people filled the church and an additional 300 waited outside during the services, which featured a Sunday school teacher's reading of a poem written by Sylvia.
"No more sadness to darken my day," said teacher Miriam Fam, reading the poem. "No more rain to fog my daydreams. No more pain in my life. No more fear of getting killed with life's knife."
Not everyone was searching for someone to blame for the deaths. Maged Badawi, who attended the funeral, counseled caution.
"I don't want to jump to conclusions yet. We need to let the police do their investigation. But there is lots of tension right now between Christians and Muslims over this," he said.
During the procession earlier Monday, Iman Garas, sister of the slain mother, ran up and pounded on the caskets, screaming, "Oh, my God. Oh, my God. They've left me all alone!"
Authorities had not announced any arrests in the slayings as of Monday morning. The four bodies were found bound and gagged early Friday, and police said there was no sign of forced entry into the home.
In Egypt, Copts generally live in peace with Muslims, but it is a sometimes uneasy relationship. In 2000, 23 people died in Christian-Muslim clashes, the worst in years. Copts comprise roughly 10 percent of Egypt's 70 million population.
Authorities said robbery remained a possible motive because no cash or jewelry were found in the home. Guy Gregory, first assistant Hudson County prosecutor, said the father's wallet was found empty.
The Coptic Orthodox Church is one of the oldest communities in Christendom. According to tradition it was founded in the first century A.D. by Saint Mark, one of the 12 apostles of Jesus.
Last month, thousands of angry Copts protested for days at a Cairo cathedral when rumors circulated that a Coptic Christian woman had been forced to convert to Islam. Days of protests and stone-throwing at the cathedral in Abbasiya, Cairo, left two dozen police injured and 34 Copts detained.
Copts generally live in peace with Muslims, but it is a sometimes uneasy relationship in which sectarian tensions can erupt. In 2000, the deadliest Christian-Muslim clashes in years killed 23 people, all but two of them Copts, touched off by an argument between a Coptic merchant and a Muslim shopper, also in southern Egypt.
In 2002, brawls broke out in a southern Egyptian village after an argument over whether a Coptic church's bells tolled too loudly. During an Islamic insurrection in Egypt in the early 1990s, Copts were occasionally attacked by Muslim militants.
They had quite the melee there. I just saw it on Fox News.
The Quran stands very firmly against taking human life," said noted Islamic author Zayn Kassam, chairwoman of the religious studies department of Pomona College in California. "If someone read a verse and used it to justify the killing of four people, I believe that person is unbalanced. ... There are very few Muslims who would support this sort of thing."
What!!!!!!!
The Quran stands very firmly against taking human life," said noted Islamic author Zayn Kassam, chairwoman of the religious studies department of Pomona College in California. "If someone read a verse and used it to justify the killing of four people, I believe that person is unbalanced. ... There are very few Muslims who would support this sort of thing."
What!!!!!!!
So true.
PC is so firmly entrenched in the U.S. due largely to it being preached to us constantly by the MSM that only a Muslim nuke in a American metropolis will end it.
New Jersey is presently infested by jihadists(Atta and his crew lived amongst them for a time), and something needs to be done. I doubt these murders were a random act; it was probably instigated by a fatal fatwa. Pressure should be brought to bear on their imans and so called community leaders, so that they give up the depraved murderers or take the proverbial heat.
New Jersey is presently infested by jihadists(Atta and his crew lived amongst them for a time), and something needs to be done. I doubt these murders were a random act; it was probably instigated by a fatal fatwa. Pressure should be brought to bear on their imans and so called community leaders, so that they give up the depraved murderers or take the proverbial heat.
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