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CIA gives grim warning on European prospects
Scotsman ^ | January 16 2005 | NICHOLAS CHRISTIAN

Posted on 01/16/2005 6:06:06 AM PST by knighthawk

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1 posted on 01/16/2005 6:06:07 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: MizSterious; rebdov; Nix 2; green lantern; BeOSUser; Brad's Gramma; dreadme; Turk2; keri; ...
Europe-list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

2 posted on 01/16/2005 6:06:32 AM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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Very interesting. Thanks for the ping, Knighthawk!


3 posted on 01/16/2005 6:09:23 AM PST by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: knighthawk

bttt


4 posted on 01/16/2005 6:10:11 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: knighthawk

It's a slam-dunk!


5 posted on 01/16/2005 6:12:10 AM PST by zzen01
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To: knighthawk

Have friends who live in Sweden and the stories boggle the mind. A Swedish woman came to work for the American Embassy, then got pregnant a month later and got two years off with full pay. It's the law. Companies are leaving Sweden in droves because of the incredibly high cost of benefits they are required to give workers, who often abuse the system. It's a country on the brink of financial ruin and all too typical of the rest of Europe.


6 posted on 01/16/2005 6:13:53 AM PST by Casloy
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To: knighthawk

It will be interesting to see how Europe blames it's imminent decline on President Bush....


7 posted on 01/16/2005 6:14:13 AM PST by yer gonna put yer eye out (Gettin' a PhD (Prettyhard on Democrats) at FR)
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To: knighthawk
And just when have the CIA predictions ever been accurate?

Although this one is a no-brainer. Methinks the CIA is simply trying to up their batting average by finally getting something right . . . even though anyone with the IQ of a lava-rock could've made this call.

8 posted on 01/16/2005 6:19:44 AM PST by geedee (American by birth. Texan by choice and attitude. Conservative by God. Disabled by hubris.)
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To: Casloy

I have been predicting this for a year now. Of course the "sophisticated Europeans" see only utopia in the EU.
Oh well.....................

Old Europe is pouring in a lot of money into the new countries. They will want it back in the future to pay for their self made social system which is already bankrupt.
That's when the real problems begin.

"Old Europe needs new Europe more than the other way around.


9 posted on 01/16/2005 6:19:54 AM PST by americanbychoice2
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To: Casloy
And think how bad-off Sweden and other European countries would be if they had to support a military in the same way that American taxpayers do...
10 posted on 01/16/2005 6:22:43 AM PST by johnandrhonda (have you hugged your banjo today?)
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To: knighthawk

" ... Europe could be dragged into economic decline by its ageing population."

Throw its growing Muslim population into the equation, as well. Islamism = "backwardism".


11 posted on 01/16/2005 6:22:59 AM PST by AngrySpud (Behold, I am The Anti-Crust ... Anti-Hillary)
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To: yer gonna put yer eye out

Everything is Bush's fault.
The Opel problem is now the fault of those greedy Americans, never the lazy, unproductive employees or the German people who don't want to buy the cars.


12 posted on 01/16/2005 6:23:05 AM PST by americanbychoice2
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To: jb6; TexasGreg

Ping


13 posted on 01/16/2005 6:24:12 AM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: geedee
This "study" has been out in the media and has been greatly misused. It is merely a collection of "scenarios," this "decline of Europe" being one of them. They have other "scenarios" we there are different futures. In fact, the scenarios them selves are but possible outout from a simulated model that has various political and exonmic inputs.

One of the "possible furtures" had a whimsical comment where they predicted that "Bollywood dominates Hollywood." Comically, this show up in a media report (i think in India) where the byline was something to the effect that "CIA predicts India will dominate in key sectors." Too funny (it also goes to show how desparate the so called "emerging powers" of the EU, China and India are to find dome scrap of eveidence that will support the notion that their fututures will come anywhere close to the hype surrounding their "emergence.")

The study does have a nice online simulator to play with. I cannot remember the URL but just google for "Study 2020 CIA" and you will find it.

These sorts of studies go on all the time, as well they should. The authors, however, are merely playing with ideas. They do not intent to "predict" anything - these studies are merely touchstones for thought, discussion and policy making. This article mischaracterizes and exaggerates the intents, claims and the meanings of these studies.

14 posted on 01/16/2005 6:43:53 AM PST by CasearianDaoist
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Of course the "sophisticated Europeans" see only utopia in the EU.

I thank God I'm not a "sophisticated European" then, because I will leave these shores long before the collapse happens. All I want is a job I can work at and I don't need no socialist utopia "supporting" me (or rather: squeezing every last dime out of me)..

15 posted on 01/16/2005 6:44:18 AM PST by William of Orange (This tagline brought to you by John Kerry and the Kool-Aid Kollective...)
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To: knighthawk

History repeats itself. Putin will rise as the next Hitler.


16 posted on 01/16/2005 6:50:10 AM PST by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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Why should I care when and how the European Union breaks up? Why needs the CIA the FBI or the SPCA issue "warnings"?

The only thing I care about is that whatever happens, the president better issue a state of emergency and disband the state department and avoid a whole lot of bloodshed.
Goes without saying that he best not go there. Where many of you also want to go. Something about bailing their butts one more time inside of 100 years.

And for pete's stake, let's stop this stupid "they attacked us, we defeat them then we got to bankrupt ourselves to "rebuild" them."

17 posted on 01/16/2005 6:51:42 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: knighthawk
We on FR, sure don't need a CIA report to tell us the obvious that the European Union is flawed and will probably break up.

I doubt the Euros will take heed from the CIA.
18 posted on 01/16/2005 6:53:25 AM PST by demlosers
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To: CasearianDaoist

Good post.


19 posted on 01/16/2005 6:57:36 AM PST by demlosers
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To: Casloy

Same here in Germany, worked with a "Local National" who left to have a baby, she was gone for almost a year, then, when she came back...she only has to work for 3 out of 5 days.


20 posted on 01/16/2005 6:59:26 AM PST by SAMS
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