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Britain's online imam declares war as he calls young to jihad
Times Online ^ | January 17, 2004 | Sean O'Neil and Yaakov Lappin

Posted on 01/16/2005 5:15:33 PM PST by HAL9000

Omar Bakri Mohammed, banned from many British mosques, is issuing a call to arms to a committed audience

AN EXTREMIST London cleric is using live broadcasts on the internet to urge young British Muslims to join al- Qaeda and has condoned suicide terrorist attacks Omar Bakri Mohammed, who has lived in the UK for 18 years on social security benefits, pledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden and told his followers that they were in a state of war with Britain.

The Times monitored Mr Bakri Mohammed’s nightly webcasts in which he declared that the “covenant of security” under which Muslims live peacefully in the UK had been “violated” by the Government’s tough anti-terrorist legislation, The Syrian-born radical said: “I believe the whole of Britain has become Dar ul-Harb (land of war). In such a state, he added, “the kuffar (non-believer) has no sanctity for their own life or property.”

In his broadcasts, conducted through an internet chatroom, Mr Bakri Mohammed stopped short of calling for terrorist attacks in Britain. But he said that Muslims should join the jihad “wherever you are” and told one woman that she was permitted to become a suicide bomber.

Mr Bakri Mohammed, 46, has indefinite leave to remain in the UK but could be detained without trial under the Anti-Terrorism Crime and Security Act if the Home Secretary were to decide he is a terrorist associate.

Last Monday he told his listeners: “Al-Qaeda and all its branches and organisations of the world, that is the victorious group and they have the emir and you are obliged to join. There is no need . . . to mess about.” Two nights later he said that the voices of dead Mujahidin were calling young Britons to fight. “These people are calling you and shouting to you from far distant places: al jihad, al jihad. They say to you my dear Muslim brothers, ‘Where is your weapon, where is your weapon?’ Come on to the jihad,” he said.

The cleric is regarded as a fringe extremist by mainstream Muslims and is banned from preaching at many mosques. But every night he is using internet forums to reach an audience of between 60 and 70 committed listeners, most of whom are under 30.

He lectures for 90 minutes and his audience responds enthusiastically, typing questions about jihad and suicide bombing which are answered verbally. An announcement last October that Mr Bakri Mohammed had disbanded his al-Muhajiroun movement was welcomed. But it appears that he has regrouped and is delivering a more hardline message through the internet and at secretive meetings.

Speaking directly to The Times, Mr Bakri Mohammed denied that he was calling for violent action in the UK. He said his definition of Britain as Dar ul-Harb was “theoretical”.

He added: “It means that Muslims can no longer be considered to have sanctity and security here, therefore they should consider leaving this country and going back to their homelands. Otherwise they are under siege and obviously we do not want to see that we are living under siege.”

The alternative to leaving was to put pressure on the Government to review its anti-terrorist laws, he said, and that the definition of jihad took many forms and not simply military activity. He also denied that he was inciting others to commit acts of violence.

Andrew Dismore, a Labour MP who has long campaigned against Mr Bakri Mohammad’s extremism, said: “With these words he may well be committing offences under the Terrorism Act and other legislation. I will be raising this immediately with the Home Secretary and the Metropolitan Police.”


WAR OF WORDS


“If I am living under a system, Islam allows me to take the benefit that system offers.”

August 1998 on accepting social security benefits


“What happened was a direct consequence of the evil foreign policy of the USA. This is compensation and payback for its own atrocities against Muslims.”

September 2001 on 9/11 attacks


“I am very happy today. As much as I regret the innocent people who passed away, with the USA you must pay.”

September 2001 on 9/11 attacks


“We don’t want to see a September 11 in the UK and I think the British public should take these threats very seriously.”

February 2003 on danger of terror attacks in Britain


“I can sense there is frustration in the hearts of the youth and they want action. I can see from debates and talking to people on the internet that there are many people abroad wanting to attack Britain.”

February 2003 on anger among Muslim youth


“You must fight for the way of Allah, for the sake of Allah, to kill first and to be killed.”

March 2004 address to followers in Derby


“What happened in Madrid is all revenge. Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, life for life.”

March 2004 referring to the Madrid train bombings


“Martyrdom is what you want. Do the effort. Clear your intention. Go forward, never look backwards. Make sure you have nothing left behind you to think about or cry for and fight in the name of Allah.”

April 2004 addressing followers in East London



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaida; britain; england; getarope; jihad; jihadineurope; omarbakrimohammed; ukjihad

1 posted on 01/16/2005 5:15:40 PM PST by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

How long can incitement to commit mass murder go unchecked?


2 posted on 01/16/2005 5:20:51 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun

The Brits will surrender.


3 posted on 01/16/2005 5:23:44 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: anniegetyourgun

Yes, I'm wondering at what point guys like this just start disappearing. Why do we fund the CIA, again?


4 posted on 01/16/2005 5:25:16 PM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: anniegetyourgun

Agreed.


5 posted on 01/16/2005 5:25:26 PM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: HAL9000

Hey Britain! .308


6 posted on 01/16/2005 5:31:54 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Democrat Obstructionists will be Daschled!)
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To: HAL9000

What a nice fellow. Hope he gets rubber poisoning from a passing bus very soon.


7 posted on 01/16/2005 5:33:25 PM PST by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: HAL9000



8 posted on 01/16/2005 5:36:23 PM PST by StoneGiant
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To: HAL9000

Isn't that special! They ought to let the monarchy run the place the way things are going. At least it would be England again.


9 posted on 01/16/2005 5:36:51 PM PST by MarineBrat (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools!)
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To: HAL9000
Sometimes the times call for civil disobedience. Sometimes elements within society demand something more.

If the Islamicist has its terrorist, maybe the decent, law abiding members of peaceful society needs its vigilante.

Many a peaceful citizen of Western society has felt the fear of terrorism. Maybe it's time for the terrorist to fear the Western society's citizen response.

We are not sheep. We are simply outraged. If the terrorist is willing to die for its beliefs, we are willing to kill that terrorist. No one else needs to die.

10 posted on 01/16/2005 5:41:39 PM PST by GBA
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To: MarineBrat
They ought to let the monarchy run the place the way things are going.

I like it! I think the Queen should step up and take over the Government. Then I think she ought to put Prince Phillip the Royal Consort over the Army. He's been waiting his whole life to kick... some... ass.

11 posted on 01/16/2005 5:47:02 PM PST by johnb838 (Death to socializm. Welcome to your nightmare.)
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To: GBA

I am not philosophically opposed to vigilantism. But this is dangerous talk... you know that, don't you?


12 posted on 01/16/2005 5:48:41 PM PST by johnb838 (Death to socializm. Welcome to your nightmare.)
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To: anniegetyourgun
How long can incitement to commit mass murder go unchecked?

Oh... as long as genocidal maniacs are protected by liberals.

13 posted on 01/16/2005 5:50:44 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: John Lenin
The Brits will surrender.

Obviously, you are not a student of history.

If anyone is going to lead the global fight against Islamic terrorism - it will be the Brits or Israel in first / second place.

America will have to suffer through another tragedy or two before mainstream Joe and Jane have had enough - and tell the liberals / DemoRats to shut the hell up.

America will be in third place in the global war, coming to a theater near you - soon, on Islam-O-Extremism.

Third place or better?

Depends on how the next election or two go.

LVM

14 posted on 01/16/2005 5:57:08 PM PST by LasVegasMac (Political head butting is nothing compared to tectonic plate head butting.)
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To: johnb838
Yeah, that thought did cross my mind. Sorry, I guess I'm not in a very tolerent mood.

It's just that people like the Iman feel free to spout off and say any incindiary thing they want to without fear of consequence. They operate below the bounds of society with its rules and regulations. They feel free to threaten without fear of being threatened.

Peaceful, official Western society has its official ways to deal with people like the Iman, but then there's the rest of us...the people who actually take the hits, are blown up by car bombs, truck bombs, etc. We are the ones who are being threatened and since we end up being the victims of these threats, sometimes I think it's best to remind the good Iman who he's messing with.

We are the majority and we really don't have to put up with crap like that.

15 posted on 01/16/2005 5:59:52 PM PST by GBA
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To: HAL9000
More on the imam from the same source:

'I don't want you to join me, I want you to join bin Laden'

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1443909,00.html

16 posted on 01/16/2005 6:01:00 PM PST by Oorang (Decafalon: The grueling event of getting through the day consuming things that are good for you)
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To: GBA

Hmmm...I guess I should have said "cleric" rather than "Iman". A "terrorist" is a "terrorist" is a "terrorist"...


17 posted on 01/16/2005 6:04:46 PM PST by GBA
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To: HAL9000

Omar Bakri Mohammed, who has lived in the UK for 18 years on social security benefits.....

Ah, the wonders of the welfare state...


18 posted on 01/16/2005 6:08:43 PM PST by rbg81
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To: LasVegasMac

Yea, the answer to the the Brits problem of Islamic immigration is to disarm native population and make sure only the criminals have guns ...


19 posted on 01/16/2005 6:09:12 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: LasVegasMac
Obviously, you are not a student of history.

,,, like history's got total franchise on predictability. Britain's paying someone welfare to effectively commit treason and they're at the cutting edge of fighting terrorism? I'll put my money on Israel to coax this guy's brains out of his head with an Uzi and leave them all over a lane in suburban London before I finish this paragraph.

20 posted on 01/16/2005 6:13:13 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: johnb838

johnb838,

I know what you mean, but...we are at war. Most of us just do not realize it. Compare it to the 1930's in Europe...all along the facists were saying just what they meant, and the free world refused to listen.

This guy is not even nearly as subtle. I agree that for what he is doing, he crosses the line of free speech into treason, at least for our country, in my opinion.

On the other hand, some say he can say that he wants us to be killed by his followers. In that case, we should be free to say black helicopters should be dropping black-clad men in to pay him a visit some night to spirit him away and find out who he is hanging around with.


21 posted on 01/16/2005 6:16:42 PM PST by rlmorel
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To: Calpernia; Velveeta; Revel

Ping


22 posted on 01/16/2005 6:49:11 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: HAL9000; All

ALL HISTORIANS AND ANTHROPOLOGISTS:

I can't recall from any of my surface awareness of recorded history . . .

HAS THERE EVER BEEN

IN ALL RECORDED HISTORY

a civilization/culture which with seeming deliberate idiocy

so routinely, so persistently aided and abetted

ITS OWN DESTRUCTION

by so chronically aiding and abetting it's enemies internal and external

--as Western Republican civilization is in the midst of doing so repeatedly?

It's a serious question. I can't think of such a case. I'd love to hear from the bona fide historians and anthropologists hereon about the issue.


23 posted on 01/16/2005 7:00:39 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: johnb838
I am not philosophically opposed to vigilantism. But this is dangerous talk... you know that, don't you?

It's more dangerous when good people do nothing.

24 posted on 01/16/2005 8:44:15 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: HAL9000

Why isn't he deported?


25 posted on 01/16/2005 9:06:39 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

Muslims have more rights than others would be my guess.


26 posted on 01/16/2005 9:13:45 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: John Lenin
The Brits will surrender.

What the British government will do is require all British subjects from now on get official approval in triplicate from the government to speak.

27 posted on 01/17/2005 4:30:31 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: HAL9000

How come the mullahs and imams and other assorted "clerics" are forever calling for jihad, but never seem to be the ones who strap on the bomb vests?


28 posted on 01/17/2005 4:41:49 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Where does bandwidth go when it is wasted?)
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To: Fresh Wind

Funny how that works.

Perhaps they could be schooled in the art of bomb-making instead. Given the advanced state of decreptitude of many of these monsters who call for jihad, perhaps their shaking hands, if turned to bomb making instead, may turn out to be best for all concerned. I mean, if we ask that they themselves strap on bombs, innocent people might get hurt.

This way, if we can goad them into bomb making, no telling how many of them would get blown to smithereens in the process, taking out themselves, their instructors and perhaps other bomb-makers as well as their labs.

Oh well, one can only hope.


29 posted on 01/17/2005 5:49:36 AM PST by rlmorel
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To: dennisw; watchin; VOA; timestax; xJones; justshutupandtakeit; TopDog2; ThomasMore; Publius6961; ...
In his broadcasts, conducted through an internet chatroom, Mr Bakri Mohammed stopped short of calling for terrorist attacks in Britain. But he said that Muslims should join the jihad “wherever you are” and told one woman that she was permitted to become a suicide bomber.

Islam-list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

30 posted on 01/17/2005 12:10:02 PM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: knighthawk

Thanks for the ping (and all the others)--this one just makes me shake my head--how can the UK continue to support this vermin while he's calling for the country's destruction. Oh, yes, I saw that he "stopped short" of calling for a terror attack on the UK--but not very short.


31 posted on 01/17/2005 1:34:01 PM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: MizSterious

I know what you mean. But at least people are noticing them and see that they are a danger.


32 posted on 01/17/2005 2:31:53 PM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: knighthawk

I would hope that the Special Services have him meet "Allah".


33 posted on 01/17/2005 4:47:44 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: Brad Cloven
Hey Britain! .308

Or for the older Brits... .303. (Smelly, meet SMLE)

34 posted on 01/19/2005 7:07:04 AM PST by Charles Martel
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To: anniegetyourgun

A Loooonnnnnggggg time...


35 posted on 01/19/2005 9:13:01 AM PST by Axenolith (This space for rent...)
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To: HAL9000
Omar Bakri Mohammed, who has lived in the UK for 18 years on social security benefits, pledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden and told his followers that they were in a state of war with Britain.

Well, at a minimum, they could cut his social security benefits!

36 posted on 01/19/2005 9:15:39 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: HAL9000

Let's get this right, a radical Islamist spends almost twenty years living in Britain on the taxpayer's bill, whilst he foments violence and terror against the very people who are sustaining his lifestyle and the best the British government can do is "assist him?" Can there be any wonder why the Islamists think the West weak? The first time Mr. Bakri Mohammed was caught inciting violence against Britain or its allies, he should have been hauled in front of a court and speedily deported (preferably the same day) to the first Islamic country that would take his worthless carcass. Of course, he should never have been admitted to Britain in the first place. He serves as yet another example of the asinine immigration and asylum policies that have so endangered the US and Europe.

http://pytheasonline.blogspot.com


37 posted on 01/19/2005 9:33:47 AM PST by harmodius
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To: HAL9000

And the rest of Britain yawned and stayed at the circus for the free bread. When will Britain and the rest of Europe wake up to the now-vocal Trojan Horse in their midst? And now the Trojans in the horse are calling for jihad and death to the infidel.


38 posted on 01/19/2005 9:41:27 AM PST by fortunecookie (My grandparents didn't flee communism so that I could live in Kerry's Kommune - and I won't have to.)
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To: johnb838

Unless there have been any more substantial changes in British law that I would be caught unawares on, it allows the Crown to take over the government during a state of war. Hasn't been done since Britain's involvment in the Crimean war, but they had a Parliament back then too (dittos for Revolution and 1812)...


39 posted on 01/25/2005 1:05:59 AM PST by Schwaeky (and they will tremble again, at the sound of our silence..)
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