America Remembers Robert E. Lee

NewsMax ^ | 1/19/05 | Calvin E. Johnson Jr.

[stainlessbanner]

The destruction of Britain was a goal of Nazi Germany.

Invoking Godwin's law here.

[NJ Neocon]

Your wrong.

I don't care if the called themselves the United Pinheads of States Rights, the effect was the same.

They attempted to dissolve the indissoluble. Even your hero Lee, who this thread was started to honor, said that secession was treason. That the Union was indissoluble.

The Confederacy was a bunch of squabbling children. South Carolina and Georgia BOTH threatened to secede FROM THE CONFEDERACY!

The Confederaxy would have dissolved into a cottection of Balkin-like states eventually. The United States of America was threatened, no different than if the states were attacked today by Mexico. There were many loyal Americans in the south who did NOT want to secede.

[NJ Neocon]

Oh your so clever.

And...wrong again!

The point was not Nazi's and you know it, but just had to play the "gotcha" card.

I'll use Germany instead. Hell, I'll use WWI Germany and France. Sorry to rob you of your debate point.

[stainlessbanner]

Oh your so clever.

Thanks. I just pinned you down. You posted the same old stuff you always do - find some new material.

[stainlessbanner]

Sorry to rob you of your debate point.

I post to share and educate. You can rob all my posts, I don't copyright.

Are you going to post some source material or the same old cut and paste rehash?

[RFEngineer]

"Today, you will find no more patriotic an area than the South, and probably more American flags per capita than NJ."

Your thick-headedness has never been more apparent!

Where in the above quote does it say that NJ is not patriotic? I simply observe that it is not possible for them to be more patriotic than the south....AS patriotic is possible, not more.

Unlike you, Jersey, I don't feel the need to question anyone else's patriotism. You clearly learned nothing from your time in the South.....fortunately, most of the folks I know that are moving here from New Jersey (more than a few!) appreciate the South.

You should probably stick close to the turnpike, though.

[stainlessbanner]

Your wrong.

I'll source it for you. Not that you'll look.

J.L.M Curry, "Civil History of the Government of the Confederate States, with some Personal Reminiscences", p42,44

I'll trust primary source material over your slanted opinion of American history.

[stainlessbanner]

Great post.

[Gondring]

Southern New Jersey isn't bad in some places.

[RFEngineer]

"The Confederaxy would have dissolved into a cottection of Balkin-like states eventually. The United States of America was threatened...."

Jersey, Jersey, Jersey......we'll never know, will we?

It is equally plausible that the North, understanding their folly and the limitations of federal power written into the constitution would have come around to the correct (constitutional) way of thinking and later reaffirmed the 10th amendment and reconciled with the South without war.

As it was, they revoked the 10th amendment and government hasn't stopped growing since, nor will the federal government stop growing until it is forced to do so, probably under another threat of secession or equally dramatic event.

[stainlessbanner]

I'll use WWI Germany and France

This thread is about American history. Not applicable.

[Gondring]

Aha! So they were on their own?

But, but, but, I thought you were saying Lincoln was just invading his own country and asking countrymen to attack one another, not that he was invading separate sovereignties! Which was it?

[stainlessbanner]

Balkanized like 1861 New York City Mayor Fernando Wood openly advocating secession to remain a neutral party in dealing with north and south.

[stainlessbanner]

Lincoln orders blockade proclamation of North Carolina and Virginia on 27 April, 1861.

North Carolina issues Ordinance of Secession 20 May 1861
Virginia issues Ordinance of Secession 17 April 1861 (ratified 23 May, 1861)

[RFEngineer]

"Balkanized like 1861 New York City Mayor Fernando Wood openly advocating secession to remain a neutral party in dealing with north and south"

You have an impressive command of historical events, and an ability to pointedly articulate them. Do you teach history (other than here)?

[stainlessbanner]

Incoming FReepmail

[Gondring]

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

>So that the people would be equipped to be in a well regulated militia

So if it read "well educated children, being necessary to the prosperity of a capitalist nation, the right of the people to possess and read books, shall not be infringed." you'd argue that only kids could have books, eh?

What part of "the right of the people to..." don't you understand? (Look up dependent and independent clauses in a grammar book [though by modern standards, there's admittedly an extra comma after "arms" it doesn't change the meaning.])

[NJ Neocon]

In your dreams.

I don't know what delusion you are operating under as to who I am but your wrong.

[NJ Neocon]

100% applicable. Short attention span.

You claimed I was employing a fallacy of logic. You used gibberish like "proving a negative" when I asked "How can you claim destruction of the United States was not the goal?". So to prove your lack of understanding of logic I asked you if it was illogical to suggest that Germany's goal was the destruction of England (then I switched to France when you employed the Godwin's law red herring).

[rustbucket]

There were good parts and bad parts of our stay in NJ.

I lived in the Watchung Mountains in the northern part of the state. We canoed the Delaware River many times and canoe camped on islands there. We also canoed some streams in the southern or central part of the state in the pine barrens -- I remember doing the Oswego River. I liked that aspect of NJ. The place was beautiful when the trees flowered in the spring. Fall colors were nice. I also enjoyed getting into NYC for cultural things.

My family considered NJ as their foreign assignment, my wife particularly. There was a real cultural difference. Store clerks were downright rude and unfriendly. The schools weren't as good as the ones our kids had been in before. We squeezed into a house two-thirds as big as our previous one, and it cost more than the one we left. Zoning in the little towns maintained high prices in the local stores and kept out competition. We had to go some 12-15 miles to get to the nearest mall, and we had a poor selection of local restaurants. So, overall, NJ offered a lower quality of life, at least in the judgment of my family.

Every spring we couldn't wait for the cold weather to end, so we would head south during the kids' spring break, along with a gazillion others on I-95. By the time we got to North Carolina, store clerks became friendly and helpful again, there were leaves on the trees, and it was warm.