Skip to comments.A Revolution in Evolution Is Underway
Posted on 01/20/2005 12:54:58 PM PST by Jay777
ANN ARBOR, MI The small town of Dover, Pennsylvania today became the first school district in the nation to officially inform students of the theory of Intelligent Design, as an alternative to Darwins theory of Evolution. In what has been called a measured step, ninth grade biology students in the Dover Area School District were read a four-paragraph statement Tuesday morning explaining that Darwins theory is not a fact and continues to be tested. The statement continued, Intelligent Design is an explanation of the origin of life that differs from Darwins view. Since the late 1950s advances in biochemistry and microbiology, information that Darwin did not have in the 1850s, have revealed that the machine like complexity of living cells - the fundamental unit of life- possessing the ability to store, edit, and transmit and use information to regulate biological systems, suggests the theory of intelligent design as the best explanation for the origin of life and living cells.
Richard Thompson, President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Law Center, a national public interest law firm representing the school district against an ACLU lawsuit, commented, Biology students in this small town received perhaps the most balanced science education regarding Darwins theory of evolution than any other public school student in the nation. This is not a case of science versus religion, but science versus science, with credible scientists now determining that based upon scientific data, the theory of evolution cannot explain the complexity of living cells.
It is ironic that the ACLU after having worked so hard to prevent the suppression of Darwins theory in the Scopes trial, is now doing everything it can to suppress any effort to challenge it, continued Thompson.
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Psychotically enraged Darwinist-atheist-antiChristian response to follow.
There's a sign the author of the statement is an utter and complete moron.
If Evolution was an explanation of the origin of life, Darwin wouldn't have entitled his book "The Origin of Species"; he would have called it "The Origin of Life."
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Waiting for the science nazis to show up and tell us all we're pinheads for not buying into their myth.
"Psychotically enraged Darwinist-atheist-antiChristian response to follow.
Nah. But, since Darwin did not theorize regarding the origin of life, the statement seems a little off. Darwin wrote about the origin of species, but did not make any statements about how the first living creature appeared.
This is the most common error of those who dispute the Theory of Evolution. Once they get that part right, perhaps we can have a discussion.
They are missing the "link"
Oh Kurdt...you were SO PC.
On a side note, I was listening to a radio talk show here in NC. They were interviewing a consultant for the NC Dept of Education. The hosts were asking him if this could happen in NC. He said that the theory of design could be taught in NC if it were taught in the appropriate class (he didn't name what an appropriate class would be), but that it couldn't be taught in science since it wasn't science. The host gave him a pass on the statement unfortunately.
There are, actually, almost no threads or posts on FR attacking Evolution.
They're actually attacking Abiogenesis theories, by people who are under the mistaken impression that Evolution and Abiogenesis are the same thing.
Yeah, once people actually understand the definitions of words like "Evolution" and "Hypothesis" and "Theory" there can be an intelligent discussion here. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.
I'm slightly bemused myself. The overwhelming evidence for evolution became entrenched science with no serious alternative during a time when just about all schools in America taught creationism. Now a vague, pointless disclaimer at 1 out of some 14,000 high schools constitutes a "revolution"? heh
"He did not make any statement about how the first living creatures appeared'
Then you need to tell that to a few hundred science teachers.
1st school in the nation?? Bulsh*t! For 200+ years schools routinely respected God and Country!
Hard to imagine these abilities completely apart from intelligence or design. With the Theory of Evolution, however, the imagination can run wild.
Intelligent Design = God! Finally, they're beginning to see the Light.
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Darwin never discussed the Origin of Life in a single published book or article in his life.
He briefly speculated on it in a personal letter once. That's it.
""He did not make any statement about how the first living creatures appeared'
Then you need to tell that to a few hundred science teachers."
You're not supposed to admit that in public - you're supposed to pretend it could have been aliens or mad scientists or something.
How is that incompatible with evolution?
Darwin never discussed the Origin.....
I beleive you, but that's not my point. It's being taught as evidence of the way life originated in our public schools.
Who will correct the teachers?
In that case, evolutionists should have no problem with the introduction of "intelligent design" or raw "creationism" into the schools, since those really broach something other than evolution, and hence are no threat to Darwinism.
I don't remember the Origin of Life being addressed at all in any of my public school classes.
Not particularly surprising. After all, the entirety of ID as a discipline was exhausted after the reading of the four paragraphs, so there wasn't much to get excited about.
(personally, I think ID is a conspiracy amongst school administrators who would really rather play golf than spend time organizing an actual science curriculum)
Actually the author of the statement doesn't really understand ID either, amazingly.
ID is basically a religious bastardization of evolution, not merely a theory of creation.
"Now a vague, pointless disclaimer at 1 out of some 14,000 high schools constitutes a "revolution"? heh
Well, the article really doesn't fit the headline. It talked about a "measured step," not a revolution. Lots of folks who believe that a deity did create the universe and life itself still believe that evolution is how we got to where we are, with regard to species.
Being an atheist, the very best I can say is that I do not know how life originated, but I do believe that the evidence is overwhelming regarding how it adapted and changed.
The origins of life itself? I dunno. I may never no, but I'm not disturbed by that. What I do know is more than enough to inspire wonder in me and to prompt me to try to learn more.
Correct. This is all that Darwin ever had to say on the subject of life's origin:
There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone circling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved.Source, Origin of Species, 6th ed., last chapter, last sentence, which you can check here.
I actually don't think discussing the origin of life at all has any place in public schools. It's more of a college-level topic due to the complexity and speculative nature of it.
Because so many people attack evolution thinking it's abiogenesis, it's awfully hard to tell how many of those people really ARE genuinely opposed to evolution and are actual creationists (things like whales evolved from land mammals, etc. etc.)
It's just sloppy use of language. It happens. There's no need to be rude.
I certainly don't, so long as such metaphysical conjectures aren't taught as science.
The problem is that it is in a science class. ID is better suited for philosophy or theology. Science is incapable of investigating and answering questions regarding spirituality. If this is in a science class, then a meaningful discussion can ensue when ID theory comes up with the origins of the designer. ID only puts off the origin of life to something else, but where did that something else come from? How can we quantify the effects of "designer" or do we just let science slide back to the dark ages when "God made it so" was the only unquestioned answer? If that's the case, then the U.S. can kiss its technological and scientific legacy good bye. Time to import more H1Bs that understand how things work becasue our children won't.
Actually, all of that supports evolution.
Here's a reasonable place to start:
You might begin your reading on transitional evolutionary series at this link:
I'm not qualified to list them for you, nor do I have the time. You'll find plenty of what you're looking for there.
Go look in the mirror. You are a documented transitional species between whichever species we evolved from and whatever species we'll evolve into.. ;)
Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ. Yes, transitional fossils exist.
Fossil whale with legs. Land animal to whale transitional fossil.
Archaeopteryx. Reptile-to- bird transitional fossil.
29+ Evidences for Macroevolution. Yes, macro-evolution.
Yes, as traditionalist Catholics well know, this has been consistent Church teaching. It's right out of the catechisms.
one need not go to the fossil record: check out the seagull populations of the arctic circle. speciation observable in realtime.
"Because so many people attack evolution thinking it's abiogenesis, it's awfully hard to tell how many of those people really ARE genuinely opposed to evolution and are actual creationists (things like whales evolved from land mammals, etc. etc.)
Well, there is that, of course. The problem is that so many do not have any idea what the TOE is really about, so every thread has to include an explanation (or endless explanations) of the difference between biogenesis and evolution.
Apparently all those explanations are doing no good, since the same people come into such threads saying the same incorrect things.
Meanwhile, the Roman Catholic church supports the Theory of Evolution, as do most mainstream churches. They're believers in both a deity-originated creation, followed by speciation through the process of Evolution. The two are not incompatible in any way.
I'm curious to know, is there any school district in the country that reads its students statements that Einstein's theories are not facts are continued to be tested? For example, NASA just tested an Einstein theory on whether time is warped by an object.
What about black hole theories, which were just revised recently.
Are there any scientific theories which aren't continually tested?
Not really. To say that the complexity of the cell, or the complexity of information transfer in biological processes point not to some blind mechanism as Darwin suggests, but points to an intelligent designer, doesn't necessarily imply that that designer flung a single-cell into some slimepit eons ago, and that cell differentiated and ultimately became man. I can buy into the case made by intelligent design proponents, but from what I've read of ID, that doesn't compel me to say my ancestors rose up from the slimepit after God got the ball rolling. ID proponents accept the concept of micro evolution, but it doesn't necessarily become a rationale for macro evolution by another name.
Actually, I heard there have been lawsuits in 43 states.
Or the Galapagos islands. But the question has to do with what people are calling - evolution. And that's the problem. No one seems to know what this amorphous thing is. They seem to think that breeding throroughbreds is proof of the thing. But they can't seem to state the thing, or find much agreement with others who confess the thing, as well. You have, rather, a religious faith in - the thing. It is filled with Mystery, and things that are taken as Revelation. The problem is - Darwin wasn't God. He didn't even claim to be Mohammet. And science is only hindered by such a pseudo-religious dogma as evolution, in my opinion.
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