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A Revolution in Evolution Is Underway
Thomas More Lawcenter ^ | Tue, Jan 18, 2005

Posted on 01/20/2005 12:54:58 PM PST by Jay777

ANN ARBOR, MI — The small town of Dover, Pennsylvania today became the first school district in the nation to officially inform students of the theory of Intelligent Design, as an alternative to Darwin’s theory of Evolution. In what has been called a “measured step”, ninth grade biology students in the Dover Area School District were read a four-paragraph statement Tuesday morning explaining that Darwin’s theory is not a fact and continues to be tested. The statement continued, “Intelligent Design is an explanation of the origin of life that differs from Darwin’s view.” Since the late 1950s advances in biochemistry and microbiology, information that Darwin did not have in the 1850s, have revealed that the machine like complexity of living cells - the fundamental unit of life- possessing the ability to store, edit, and transmit and use information to regulate biological systems, suggests the theory of intelligent design as the best explanation for the origin of life and living cells.

Richard Thompson, President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Law Center, a national public interest law firm representing the school district against an ACLU lawsuit, commented, “Biology students in this small town received perhaps the most balanced science education regarding Darwin’s theory of evolution than any other public school student in the nation. This is not a case of science versus religion, but science versus science, with credible scientists now determining that based upon scientific data, the theory of evolution cannot explain the complexity of living cells.”

“It is ironic that the ACLU after having worked so hard to prevent the suppression of Darwin’s theory in the Scopes trial, is now doing everything it can to suppress any effort to challenge it,” continued Thompson.

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1 posted on 01/20/2005 12:54:59 PM PST by Jay777
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To: RepCath; Liz; IronJack; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; Iris7; wkdaysoff; ApesForEvolution; EdReform; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 01/20/2005 12:55:30 PM PST by Jay777 (Never met a wise man, if so it's a woman. Kurt Cobain)
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To: Jay777

Psychotically enraged Darwinist-atheist-antiChristian response to follow.


3 posted on 01/20/2005 12:57:38 PM PST by PeterFinn (The only thing I need to know about Islam is how to destroy it.)
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To: Jay777
The statement continued, “Intelligent Design is an explanation of the origin of life that differs from Darwin’s view.”

There's a sign the author of the statement is an utter and complete moron.

If Evolution was an explanation of the origin of life, Darwin wouldn't have entitled his book "The Origin of Species"; he would have called it "The Origin of Life."

4 posted on 01/20/2005 12:58:00 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: PatrickHenry

Evolution Ping! Ping your list.


5 posted on 01/20/2005 12:58:31 PM PST by Jay777 (Never met a wise man, if so it's a woman. Kurt Cobain)
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To: PeterFinn

Waiting for the science nazis to show up and tell us all we're pinheads for not buying into their myth.


6 posted on 01/20/2005 1:02:29 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: PeterFinn

"Psychotically enraged Darwinist-atheist-antiChristian response to follow.

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Nah. But, since Darwin did not theorize regarding the origin of life, the statement seems a little off. Darwin wrote about the origin of species, but did not make any statements about how the first living creature appeared.

This is the most common error of those who dispute the Theory of Evolution. Once they get that part right, perhaps we can have a discussion.


7 posted on 01/20/2005 1:03:36 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: PeterFinn

They are missing the "link"


8 posted on 01/20/2005 1:04:02 PM PST by broadway
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To: Jay777

Oh Kurdt...you were SO PC.


9 posted on 01/20/2005 1:04:10 PM PST by Pharmboy (Dems lie because they have to)
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To: Jay777

Good news!

On a side note, I was listening to a radio talk show here in NC. They were interviewing a consultant for the NC Dept of Education. The hosts were asking him if this could happen in NC. He said that the theory of design could be taught in NC if it were taught in the appropriate class (he didn't name what an appropriate class would be), but that it couldn't be taught in science since it wasn't science. The host gave him a pass on the statement unfortunately.


10 posted on 01/20/2005 1:05:11 PM PST by CriticalJ (Ecc 10:2 A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left.)
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To: MineralMan
This is the most common error of those who dispute the Theory of Evolution. Once they get that part right, perhaps we can have a discussion.

There are, actually, almost no threads or posts on FR attacking Evolution.

They're actually attacking Abiogenesis theories, by people who are under the mistaken impression that Evolution and Abiogenesis are the same thing.

Yeah, once people actually understand the definitions of words like "Evolution" and "Hypothesis" and "Theory" there can be an intelligent discussion here. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.

11 posted on 01/20/2005 1:06:21 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: PeterFinn

I'm slightly bemused myself. The overwhelming evidence for evolution became entrenched science with no serious alternative during a time when just about all schools in America taught creationism. Now a vague, pointless disclaimer at 1 out of some 14,000 high schools constitutes a "revolution"? heh


12 posted on 01/20/2005 1:07:37 PM PST by AntiGuv ()
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To: MineralMan

"He did not make any statement about how the first living creatures appeared'

Huh?

Then you need to tell that to a few hundred science teachers.


13 posted on 01/20/2005 1:08:21 PM PST by broadway
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To: Jay777

1st school in the nation?? Bulsh*t! For 200+ years schools routinely respected God and Country!


14 posted on 01/20/2005 1:10:39 PM PST by Waco
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To: Jay777
. . . the ability to store, edit, and transmit and use information to regulate biological systems . . .

Hard to imagine these abilities completely apart from intelligence or design. With the Theory of Evolution, however, the imagination can run wild.

15 posted on 01/20/2005 1:10:45 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; RightWhale; ...
EvolutionPing
A pro-evolution science list with over 220 names. See list's description at my homepage. FReepmail to be added/dropped.

16 posted on 01/20/2005 1:12:23 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
The small town of Dover, Pennsylvania today became the first school district in the nation to officially inform students of the theory of Intelligent Design, as an alternative to Darwin’s theory of Evolution.

Intelligent Design = God! Finally, they're beginning to see the Light.

Catholic Ping - please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


17 posted on 01/20/2005 1:12:59 PM PST by NYer ("In good times we enjoy faith, in bad times we exercise faith." ... Mother Angelica)
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To: broadway

Darwin never discussed the Origin of Life in a single published book or article in his life.

He briefly speculated on it in a personal letter once. That's it.


18 posted on 01/20/2005 1:13:09 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: PeterFinn
Psychotically enraged Darwinist-atheist-antiChristian response to follow.

No doubt.

19 posted on 01/20/2005 1:14:07 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: broadway

""He did not make any statement about how the first living creatures appeared'

Huh?

Then you need to tell that to a few hundred science teachers."




Not a bad idea, actually. The Theory of Evolution does not address the original origins of life at all. Darwin did not address it in any of his published writings.

There are some theories about the origin of life, including the Intelligent Design one, but they have nothing particularly to do with evolution, which discusses speciation.


20 posted on 01/20/2005 1:15:46 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: NYer
Intelligent Design = God

You're not supposed to admit that in public - you're supposed to pretend it could have been aliens or mad scientists or something.

21 posted on 01/20/2005 1:15:53 PM PST by general_re (How come so many of the VKs have been here six months or less?)
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To: Jay777
Since the late 1950s advances in biochemistry and microbiology, information that Darwin did not have in the 1850s, have revealed that the machine like complexity of living cells - the fundamental unit of life- possessing the ability to store, edit, and transmit and use information to regulate biological systems....

How is that incompatible with evolution?

22 posted on 01/20/2005 1:15:54 PM PST by gdani
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To: Strategerist

Darwin never discussed the Origin.....

I beleive you, but that's not my point. It's being taught as evidence of the way life originated in our public schools.

Who will correct the teachers?


23 posted on 01/20/2005 1:15:58 PM PST by broadway
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To: Strategerist
people who are under the mistaken impression that Evolution and Abiogenesis are the same thing.

In that case, evolutionists should have no problem with the introduction of "intelligent design" or raw "creationism" into the schools, since those really broach something other than evolution, and hence are no threat to Darwinism.

24 posted on 01/20/2005 1:16:04 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: broadway
Who will correct the teachers?

I don't remember the Origin of Life being addressed at all in any of my public school classes.

25 posted on 01/20/2005 1:16:53 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Jay777
From the article: Teachers reported that there were no problems in class after the statements were read and the entire process was uneventful.

Not particularly surprising. After all, the entirety of ID as a discipline was exhausted after the reading of the four paragraphs, so there wasn't much to get excited about.

(personally, I think ID is a conspiracy amongst school administrators who would really rather play golf than spend time organizing an actual science curriculum)

26 posted on 01/20/2005 1:18:09 PM PST by atlaw
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To: My2Cents

Actually the author of the statement doesn't really understand ID either, amazingly.

ID is basically a religious bastardization of evolution, not merely a theory of creation.


27 posted on 01/20/2005 1:18:19 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: MineralMan
A question, if you please? Please give me at least 2 documented transitional species from fossil evidence. I know there must be thousands based on all the different species of animals that have evolved to date.
29 posted on 01/20/2005 1:19:31 PM PST by bibarnes (My mamma was a human, my poppa was a human therefore I am a human)
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To: AntiGuv

"Now a vague, pointless disclaimer at 1 out of some 14,000 high schools constitutes a "revolution"? heh
"

Well, the article really doesn't fit the headline. It talked about a "measured step," not a revolution. Lots of folks who believe that a deity did create the universe and life itself still believe that evolution is how we got to where we are, with regard to species.

Being an atheist, the very best I can say is that I do not know how life originated, but I do believe that the evidence is overwhelming regarding how it adapted and changed.

The origins of life itself? I dunno. I may never no, but I'm not disturbed by that. What I do know is more than enough to inspire wonder in me and to prompt me to try to learn more.


30 posted on 01/20/2005 1:20:02 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Strategerist
... the mistaken impression that Evolution and Abiogenesis are the same thing.

Correct. This is all that Darwin ever had to say on the subject of life's origin:

There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone circling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved.
Source, Origin of Species, 6th ed., last chapter, last sentence, which you can check here.
31 posted on 01/20/2005 1:20:09 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: MineralMan

I actually don't think discussing the origin of life at all has any place in public schools. It's more of a college-level topic due to the complexity and speculative nature of it.

Because so many people attack evolution thinking it's abiogenesis, it's awfully hard to tell how many of those people really ARE genuinely opposed to evolution and are actual creationists (things like whales evolved from land mammals, etc. etc.)


32 posted on 01/20/2005 1:20:39 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist
There's a sign the author of the statement is an utter and complete moron.

It's just sloppy use of language. It happens. There's no need to be rude.

33 posted on 01/20/2005 1:21:21 PM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: My2Cents
...evolutionists should have no problem with the introduction of "intelligent design" or raw "creationism" into the schools...

I certainly don't, so long as such metaphysical conjectures aren't taught as science.

34 posted on 01/20/2005 1:22:02 PM PST by AntiGuv ()
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To: NYer

The problem is that it is in a science class. ID is better suited for philosophy or theology. Science is incapable of investigating and answering questions regarding spirituality. If this is in a science class, then a meaningful discussion can ensue when ID theory comes up with the origins of the designer. ID only puts off the origin of life to something else, but where did that something else come from? How can we quantify the effects of "designer" or do we just let science slide back to the dark ages when "God made it so" was the only unquestioned answer? If that's the case, then the U.S. can kiss its technological and scientific legacy good bye. Time to import more H1Bs that understand how things work becasue our children won't.


35 posted on 01/20/2005 1:22:56 PM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: gdani

Actually, all of that supports evolution.


36 posted on 01/20/2005 1:24:04 PM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Strategerist
There are, actually, almost no threads or posts on FR attacking Evolution.

AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!

37 posted on 01/20/2005 1:24:16 PM PST by Ichneumon (.)
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To: bibarnes

Here's a reasonable place to start:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html


38 posted on 01/20/2005 1:24:33 PM PST by atlaw
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To: bibarnes

You might begin your reading on transitional evolutionary series at this link:

http://www.origins.tv/darwin/transitionals.htm#Transitionals

I'm not qualified to list them for you, nor do I have the time. You'll find plenty of what you're looking for there.


39 posted on 01/20/2005 1:25:03 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: bibarnes
Please give me at least 2 documented transitional species from fossil evidence.

Go look in the mirror. You are a documented transitional species between whichever species we evolved from and whatever species we'll evolve into.. ;)

40 posted on 01/20/2005 1:25:04 PM PST by AntiGuv ()
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To: bibarnes
Please give me at least 2 documented transitional species from fossil evidence. I know there must be thousands based on all the different species of animals that have evolved to date.

Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ. Yes, transitional fossils exist.
Fossil whale with legs. Land animal to whale transitional fossil.
Feathered Dinosaurs.
Archaeopteryx. Reptile-to- bird transitional fossil.
29+ Evidences for Macroevolution. Yes, macro-evolution.

41 posted on 01/20/2005 1:25:06 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: NYer
Intelligent Design = God! Finally, they're beginning to see the Light.

Yes, as traditionalist Catholics well know, this has been consistent Church teaching. It's right out of the catechisms.

42 posted on 01/20/2005 1:27:49 PM PST by sevry
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To: bibarnes

one need not go to the fossil record: check out the seagull populations of the arctic circle. speciation observable in realtime.


43 posted on 01/20/2005 1:27:49 PM PST by King Prout (trolls survive through a form of gastroenterotic oroborosity, a brownian "perpepetual movement")
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To: Strategerist

"Because so many people attack evolution thinking it's abiogenesis, it's awfully hard to tell how many of those people really ARE genuinely opposed to evolution and are actual creationists (things like whales evolved from land mammals, etc. etc.)
"

Well, there is that, of course. The problem is that so many do not have any idea what the TOE is really about, so every thread has to include an explanation (or endless explanations) of the difference between biogenesis and evolution.

Apparently all those explanations are doing no good, since the same people come into such threads saying the same incorrect things.

Meanwhile, the Roman Catholic church supports the Theory of Evolution, as do most mainstream churches. They're believers in both a deity-originated creation, followed by speciation through the process of Evolution. The two are not incompatible in any way.


44 posted on 01/20/2005 1:28:25 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Jay777
Dover Area School District were read a four-paragraph statement Tuesday morning explaining that Darwin’s theory is not a fact and continues to be tested.

I'm curious to know, is there any school district in the country that reads its students statements that Einstein's theories are not facts are continued to be tested? For example, NASA just tested an Einstein theory on whether time is warped by an object.

What about black hole theories, which were just revised recently.

Are there any scientific theories which aren't continually tested?

45 posted on 01/20/2005 1:29:16 PM PST by 1LongTimeLurker
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To: Strategerist
ID is basically a religious bastardization of evolution, not merely a theory of creation.

Not really. To say that the complexity of the cell, or the complexity of information transfer in biological processes point not to some blind mechanism as Darwin suggests, but points to an intelligent designer, doesn't necessarily imply that that designer flung a single-cell into some slimepit eons ago, and that cell differentiated and ultimately became man. I can buy into the case made by intelligent design proponents, but from what I've read of ID, that doesn't compel me to say my ancestors rose up from the slimepit after God got the ball rolling. ID proponents accept the concept of micro evolution, but it doesn't necessarily become a rationale for macro evolution by another name.

46 posted on 01/20/2005 1:31:18 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: AntiGuv

Actually, I heard there have been lawsuits in 43 states.


47 posted on 01/20/2005 1:32:31 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: King Prout
speciation observable in realtime.

Or the Galapagos islands. But the question has to do with what people are calling - evolution. And that's the problem. No one seems to know what this amorphous thing is. They seem to think that breeding throroughbreds is proof of the thing. But they can't seem to state the thing, or find much agreement with others who confess the thing, as well. You have, rather, a religious faith in - the thing. It is filled with Mystery, and things that are taken as Revelation. The problem is - Darwin wasn't God. He didn't even claim to be Mohammet. And science is only hindered by such a pseudo-religious dogma as evolution, in my opinion.

48 posted on 01/20/2005 1:32:47 PM PST by sevry
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


49 posted on 01/20/2005 1:33:29 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: All
You can join the fight against the ACLU and their ilk by becoming involved with and supporting the following organizations:

Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) - http://www.alliancedefensefund.org

Thomas More Law Center (TMLC) - http://www.thomasmore.org

American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) - http://www.aclj.org

The Rutherford Institute - http://www.rutherford.org/

Stop the ACLU Coalition (GREATLY ORGANIZED ACTIVIST SITE..PLEASE JOIN) - http://www.stoptheaclu.org


Here are a few examples of how two of those organizations are fighting back:

ADF Contacts Over 3,600 School Districts Over Attempts To Censor Christmas

ADF: 700 lawyers ready to fight ACLU lawsuits

ADF: Pentagons' Warning About Boyscouts Is Absurd

Thomas More Law Center: Town of Palm Beach Pays $50,000 In Attorney Fees Apologizes To Women In Nativity Lawsuit


Additional information:

The ACLU must be destroyed: Joseph Farah supports Boy Scouts, urges Americans to fight back

Citizens mobilized to stop ACLU (seeks to consign group to 'ash heap of history')

ACLU fulfilling communist agenda

Revealing FACTS on the ACLU from its own writings

See how YOUR Senator or Representative ranks with the ACLU

This yahoo group just started on December 3, 2004 and is looking for new members

Anti-ACLU Page

The Center For Reclaiming America (petitions to congress)

The Becket Fund

Christian Legal Society

Pacific Justice Institute

Landmark Legal Foundation

American Family Assn. Center for Law and Policy

The Liberty Council


Let me know if you would like to join my ACLU ping list


50 posted on 01/20/2005 1:34:15 PM PST by Jay777 (Never met a wise man, if so it's a woman. Kurt Cobain)
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