Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Charles Krauthammer: After al Qaeda [China-led anti-American block ]
TownHall ^ | January 21, 2005 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 01/21/2005 8:24:24 AM PST by Tolik

Edited on 01/21/2005 10:32:27 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Where are we? At this midpoint of the Bush administration, engaged as we are in conflict throughout the world, are we winning?

The great democratic crusade undertaken by this administration is going far better than most observers will admit. That's the good news. The bad news is a development more troubling than most observers recognize: signs of the emergence, for the first time since the fall of the Soviet empire, of an anti-American bloc anchored by Great Powers.


(Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bushdoctrineunfold; bushdoctrineunfolds; charleskrauthammer; china; krauthammer; military
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-77 next last

1 posted on 01/21/2005 8:24:24 AM PST by Tolik
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; Valin; yonif; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; Alouette; ...

Nailed It!

This ping list is not author-specific for articles I'd like to share. Some for perfect moral clarity, some for provocative thoughts; or simply interesting articles I'd hate to miss myself. (I don't have to agree with the author 100% to feel the need to share an article.) I will try not to abuse the ping list and not to annoy you too much, but on some days there is more of good stuff that is worthy attention. I keep separate PING lists for my favorite authors Victor Davis Hanson, Lee Harris, David Warren, Orson Scott Card. You are welcome in or out, just freepmail me (and note which PING list you are talking about).

2 posted on 01/21/2005 8:25:57 AM PST by Tolik
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

BTTT.


3 posted on 01/21/2005 8:27:20 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

Always brilliant - the estimable Charles Krauthammer - who understands history and anticipates the future with clarity.

I wish he had addressed the part that the European Union might aspire to occupy in this realignment.


4 posted on 01/21/2005 8:29:56 AM PST by highflight (from a distance - buzzards might appear as eagles.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Bump for later...


5 posted on 01/21/2005 8:30:35 AM PST by eureka! (It will not be safe to vote Democrat for a long, long, time...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tolik
Once again the perceptive Krauthammer sees what's in plain sight.

This is yet one more clear and strong argument for the US to disengage from a hostile Europe and develop new and stronger ties with India, Japan, Australia, and Latin America
6 posted on 01/21/2005 8:33:24 AM PST by An Old Marine (Freedom isn't Free)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tolik
Site Meter
...sure did...
7 posted on 01/21/2005 8:34:52 AM PST by KMC1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

Charles Krauthammer
for President in 08. He gets it!


8 posted on 01/21/2005 8:38:14 AM PST by River_Wrangler (You can't be lost if you don't care where you are!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

Russia and China will never be allies. Russia has nothing but space; China has nothing but people. That is a fundamental fact that Russia must face, deal with, or be buried.


9 posted on 01/21/2005 8:40:18 AM PST by DManA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

This is why I think Bush is thinking about a new association of democracies as a post-cold war architecture that can act as a counterweight and magnet, otherwise Bush's inaugural speech has been characterized by Peggy Noonan as "mission inebriation":

"My own 2 cents speculation is that Bush is laying the foundation for some kind of association among democracies that is more effective than the U.N., that will not be intimidated if necessary by China's huge population (25% of the globe) with their coming exertion of economic and military influence, and that this lessens the prospects that one democracy can be played off against another in dealing with North Korea and Iran and even Russia if Putin goes authoritarian."

..."If Al Qaeda saw that they could not isolate the U.S. among Muslims but would be facing this larger association of democracies of which Afghanistan and hopefully soon Iraq would be part of, this might make the dreams of a global Caliphate appear hopelessly utopian and marginalize the little following they would have left. If would also support the democratic movement inside of Iran because they would not want to be left out."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1325360/posts


10 posted on 01/21/2005 8:42:31 AM PST by baseball_fan (Thank you Vets)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

It's time to can the Woodrow Wilson diplomacy and return to the Theordore Roosevelt diplomacy....

and it should start with retaking the Panama Canal at the first excuse we get.


11 posted on 01/21/2005 8:43:18 AM PST by bobjam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

Excellent article. Whether it's Krauthammer, or VDH, the clarity of thought is a great way to start the day.


12 posted on 01/21/2005 8:43:50 AM PST by Oorang (Decafalon: The grueling event of getting through the day consuming things that are good for you)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Tolik
China in turn is developing relationships with such virulently anti-American rogue states as Iran. Add such various self-styled anti-imperialist flotsam as Syria, North Korea, Cuba and (Chavez's) Venezuela, and you have the beginnings of a significant ``anti-hegemonic'' bloc -- aimed at us.

I must raise two questions. First, if Japan is still our ally, wouldn't they feel the need to militarize themselves to check China?

The Sino-Cuban and -Iranian coalitions may not work as well as they would like. Fidel is about to be gone, and I doubt Cuba will remain communist after his demise. Iran is bubbling underneath the surface. I believe the Mullahs' days are numbered. So my second question is wouldn't a post-mullah Iran and a post-Castro Cuba actually work in our favor?


Real men don't whine.

13 posted on 01/21/2005 8:44:28 AM PST by rdb3 (The wife asked how I slept last night. I said, "How do I know? I was asleep!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

Yes but we have many in this Country that would rather go along to get along, than fight for our Freedom.


14 posted on 01/21/2005 8:45:51 AM PST by marty60
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bobjam; Southack
...and it should start with retaking the Panama Canal at the first excuse we get.

Now that's an interesting thought.


Real men don't whine.

15 posted on 01/21/2005 8:49:13 AM PST by rdb3 (The wife asked how I slept last night. I said, "How do I know? I was asleep!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

Oh, boy, Charles K. reminds us what time it is.


16 posted on 01/21/2005 8:50:18 AM PST by hershey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marty60
Up to the point, hopefully. NYC is not the same now as before 9/11. They did not become republicans overnight, of course, but very many people were "mugged by reality" and dropped rose-colored glasses.
17 posted on 01/21/2005 8:51:16 AM PST by Tolik
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

I love and admire this Pulitzer Prize winner!...


18 posted on 01/21/2005 8:52:50 AM PST by smiley
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: An Old Marine

Not long ago, weren't we told that the US was turning toward Asia and disengaging from Europe? Just before 9/11, I recall seeing a spate of articles about the rise of Asia/markets/economic power, etc.. and European fears that the US was turning its back on them.


19 posted on 01/21/2005 8:53:24 AM PST by hershey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: biblewonk

Krauthammer ping.

Just wow.


20 posted on 01/21/2005 8:56:54 AM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

we should beware of Chinese-inspired Islamist "distractions" that will force us to divert money and resources away from watching THEM.


21 posted on 01/21/2005 9:01:34 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

Charles Krauthammer - is simpy THE BEST


22 posted on 01/21/2005 9:07:12 AM PST by Marguerite
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

Charles Krauthammer - is simply THE BEST


23 posted on 01/21/2005 9:07:50 AM PST by Marguerite
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: rdb3
Fidel is about to be gone...

And the struggle for power after his death may well make Cuba a worse communist hell-hole than it already is.

Don't forget that the most active dissidents and their families have emigrated.

24 posted on 01/21/2005 9:11:24 AM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: rdb3

Hi!

I am NOT certain, but I believe Japan is still very restricted militarily under agreements with us after WWII.

Even if they wanted to , I don't think they could do anything about the
Chinese.

I agree with you completely about Cuba... old Fidel is getting kinda long in the tooth...and I can't see those folks staying communist once he dies.


25 posted on 01/21/2005 9:12:04 AM PST by tiamat (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: highflight
Indonesia is doing their best to wipe out the remaining fundamentalists in Aceh. We should be doing more to help them.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

26 posted on 01/21/2005 9:13:17 AM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: USF

Ping


27 posted on 01/21/2005 9:14:09 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tolik
This is not a new Cold War. The United States will still remain the vastly predominant world power. But it is a challenge that history has waiting for us on the day the War on Terror is won, and perhaps even before.

It may be a little too late - forces are in play right now. We need to be much more viligent.

28 posted on 01/21/2005 9:15:43 AM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #29 Removed by Moderator

To: River_Wrangler
Charles Krauthammer
for President in 08. He gets it!

The good doctor may get some important things correctly, but he doesn't get the Second Amendment. No, thank you.

30 posted on 01/21/2005 9:30:29 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

I've been thinking the same things but Charles Krauthammer says it so much better. Keep your eye on the China/Iran allienace. China gets oil and Iran gets cheap consumer goods plus nuclear and military technology.

This is very dangerous for our MidEast oil supply.


31 posted on 01/21/2005 9:32:32 AM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jeff Head

PING


32 posted on 01/21/2005 9:37:03 AM PST by Tolik
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: rdb3
First, if Japan is still our ally, wouldn't they feel the need to militarize themselves to check China?

The Japan-China Stew: Sweet and Sour

33 posted on 01/21/2005 9:38:13 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: DManA

Huh? China is not running out of space, and isn't particularly densely populated. They are resource hungry however.


34 posted on 01/21/2005 9:44:17 AM PST by MrShoop
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

at least some people are starting to understand China, that they are an enemy of the US. now if only more people would understand how they are using so-called "free trade" as a weapon against the US economy, we might have a better chance at taking them on before our industrial and technology base dissappears.


35 posted on 01/21/2005 9:49:15 AM PST by oceanview
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MrShoop

They are running out of space that is not desert wasteland. They are packed in cheek by jowl in the relatively small habitable areas of their admitedly huge country. And there are millions of acres of howling wilderness just across the border.</p>


36 posted on 01/21/2005 10:18:24 AM PST by DManA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Tolik; rdb3; mhking; Trueblackman; wretchard; Travis McGee; Jeff Head; Squantos; Rokke; Howlin; ...
"Putin's Russia, already moving decisively back to traditional Czarist authoritarianism, then suffers political defeat in Ukraine, which it considers its natural patrimony. This only compounds and embitters the feeling of alienation from the West in general, and from the United States in particular."

Krauthammer was right in his article until he typed the above sentences.

And in those sentences he goes fatally astray. What Krauthammer has done is fall into the current propaganda trap of the global left-wing news media.

Part of that "trap" is to think that the entire West is united. It is not. The West is at war with itself.

Pause and let that sentence sink in for a moment; the West is at war with itself.

What Krauthammer fails to consider is that it was *not* the U.S. that interfered in the Ukraine's election; it was France and Germany. They interefered in that election for a variety of reasons including installing a leader (Yushchencko) who immediately caused Ukraine's troops to be withdrawn from Iraq. Germany depends upon energy imports through Ukrainian pipelines for 75% of its domestic power. Now after their successful coup has installed Yushchenko in the Ukraine, Germany is no longer held hostage to Russian energy contracts that flowed through the Ukraine's pipelines. Russia's leverage over Germany is now gone.

In the meantime, France is now enticing the Ukraine to join the EU-only military (which excludes the U.S.) to further increase European power (at the expense of Russia).

But while Krauthammer fails to grasp such geopolitics, make no mistake that Vladimir Putin comprehends them.

So to Krauthammer, because of his intellectual blinders, he sees only that narrow perspective of a Cold War that continues on, West versus East.

But to Putin and Bush, the war that rages is against Islamic fundamentalism on the one hand, and that smolders via the new EU-super-state on the other.

It's no accident that France and Germany opposed the Iraq War. It's no accident that they have formed an EU-only military (which is now the main power-broker in Bosnia). It's no accident that they installed their own puppet in the Ukraine, either. Nor is it an accident that they are forming an enlarged EU with a single currency and Constitution.

This is a *classic* European powerplay, a move that is revisited time and again throughout their entire history.

...Next post: Krauthammer and China.

37 posted on 01/21/2005 10:49:52 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tolik
"China in turn is developing relationships with such virulently anti-American rogue states as Iran."

...And China is also developing much larger relationships (financially, politically, socially) with the U.S. (e.g. Wal-Mart), Britain, Taiwan, Japan, Australia, Canada, South America, etc.

In other words, China has not yet made its decision on which side it will finally choose.

China is fighting Islamic radicalism in its remote Xinjiang province even as we speak. That's the same enemy being fought by Russia in Chechnya and the U.S. in Iraq and Afghanistan (a border nation of China's).

So China *shares* a common enemy with the great world Powers of India, Russia, and the U.S. That's hardly a recipe for going to war *against* the U.S. or India, and even Krauthammer manages to see that China is exploring better ties with Russia. Hmmm...

China's newfound prosperity is due to its largest customer: the U.S.

Going to war against the U.S. wound *end* that prosperity.

This is not to say that China will 100% choose our side, but it is to say that China has viable incentives to choose our side.

China is at a cross-roads junction. It might choose to side with the terrorists, or China might choose to side with the U.S.

In the short-term, the smart money says that China will continue to straddle the fence. Some moves will be seen as hostile to the U.S., other moves will be seen to favor the U.S.

China simply hasn't decided to decisively choose one side or the other.

Yet.

38 posted on 01/21/2005 11:06:11 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Southack

Bump.


39 posted on 01/21/2005 11:07:41 AM PST by Stentor
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Southack

Bumping your last thesis.

China has had a severe problem with violent Chinese Islamofascists for years. Shortly after 9/11, the Chinese Islamofascists blew a fast food outlet and other targets.


40 posted on 01/21/2005 11:12:45 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( The MSM has been a weapon of mass disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Southack
China's newfound prosperity...

I remember reading a while back about the number of Chinese now able to afford cars and how there is no infrastructure to support this -- they lack everything from roads to gas stations.

What do you think of Russia becoming a major supplier of petroleum to China? And of the Chinese embracing the twenty first century sacred cow - the private automobile?

Once again it seems as though Pakistan is going to be a key player. Kerry's questioning of Condi on a subject she refused to address in an open session. Kerry did everything but turn to the cameras and say directly to our enemies, "Please, for the sake of the Democratic Party- take out Musharaf so I can look like a statesman and run again in 08".

41 posted on 01/21/2005 11:22:06 AM PST by Dutchgirl ("There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress."--Mark Twain)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Dutchgirl

Same ole, same ole. China will continue to make some moves that are favorable to the U.S. (e.g. cars, contracts, capitalism), and that are unfavorable (e.g. threatening Taiwan, Iranian oil, etc.).

China simply has not *yet* chosen sides in the new power struggle/war(s).

You could exclude information from a debate and make the case that China is either our inevitable ally or certain foe, in fact.

But it is simply too early to tell. China could turn out to be *either* friend or foe; she simply hasn't decided yet.

42 posted on 01/21/2005 11:26:10 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Dutchgirl
"Once again it seems as though Pakistan is going to be a key player. Kerry's questioning of Condi on a subject she refused to address in an open session. Kerry did everything but turn to the cameras and say directly to our enemies, "Please, for the sake of the Democratic Party- take out Musharaf so I can look like a statesman and run again in 08"."

Senator Kerry and most Democrats are puerile. There are good reasons why such intellectual children are not in chrage of the world's economic, social, and military super-power.

Now, Pakistan plays a role in the current global power struggle, but it is not central. Pakistan has had elections before; it will have them again. Pakistan has embraced technology, education, and capitalism before; it can embrace them again.

For his part, Musharaff is even sharper than the old Assad, Sr. of Syria...but Musharaff has chosen our side, and that will buy Pakistan all the time that it needs to get back to democratic elections (lamentations from children like Senator Kerry aside).

43 posted on 01/21/2005 11:31:23 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: rdb3
China in turn is developing relationships with such virulently anti-American rogue states as Iran.

Big deal. They need oil too. So is France and the EU.

We have a closer relationship to the virulently anti-american state of Saudi Arabia.

44 posted on 01/21/2005 11:39:58 AM PST by Shermy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

CK BUMP!


45 posted on 01/21/2005 12:01:17 PM PST by Pagey (Hillary talking about the bible,is as hypocritical as Bill carrying one out of church for 8 years)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Southack
Very interesting, but I see (respectively of course) some holes.

Multiple interests within the West may coincide even for such bitter opponents as USA and France. They did coincide in Ukraine. Colin Powell language was uncharasteistically sharp in denouncing the troubled elections. His position was clearly one sided. EU position was also uncharacteristically clear.

Both candidates in Ukrainian election campaigned for their exit from Iraq. There was no choice for us in-between pro- and anti- war in Iraq candidate. Both were anti.

Germany energy would come through anybody's Ukraine. Its no issue. Only Osama type candidate would cut the pipeline. Otherwise: Russia wants to sell, Ukraine to transmit, and EU to receive.
46 posted on 01/21/2005 12:54:09 PM PST by Tolik
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: Southack
China loves to play political games. I am surprised they don't dominate chess for whatever reason.

They will exterminate their internal Muslims, even peaceful, but will support any external Islamic terrorist, as long as they think the terror will benefit them.

I completely agree that they will continue their low key behavior, measuring and weighing our every move. Our MSM may be clueless about the message of strength Bush sends out, but Chinese will read him just fine.
47 posted on 01/21/2005 1:00:37 PM PST by Tolik
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

Old World great powers have been hoping that we would crash and burn ever since 1789. Joke 'em if they can't take a ____!


48 posted on 01/21/2005 3:11:32 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bobjam

Big stick baby! :=)


49 posted on 01/21/2005 3:12:28 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Buckeye McFrog

We need to plan to deal with both. It's a tough row to hoe.


50 posted on 01/21/2005 3:13:38 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-77 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson