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Some US Airlines Outsource Maintenance to Central America
KYW 1060, via Drudge ^ | 21 Jan 04 | unknown

Posted on 01/21/2005 11:15:13 AM PST by null and void

There's more outsourcing of jobs -- now it's the airlines industry.

The latest, preferred location for airline maintenance? El Salvador.

The Wall Street Journal reports at least two airlines -- Jet Blue and America West -- send their planes to El Salvador for "long distance" maintenance, outsourcing the work to cut costs.

Air safety experts are said be concerned that it jeopardizes safety and makes scrutiny by regulatory agencies more difficult.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: airlines; airlinesafety; elsalvador; freetrade; jobs; outsourcing; trade
Free Trade
1 posted on 01/21/2005 11:15:17 AM PST by null and void
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To: A. Pole

ping the usual suspects...


2 posted on 01/21/2005 11:15:52 AM PST by null and void (I don't know how I got over the hill without getting to the top...)
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To: null and void

You beat me by seconds...Guess great minds think alike!


3 posted on 01/21/2005 11:16:12 AM PST by Las Vegas Dave
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Or we just both read Drudge...


4 posted on 01/21/2005 11:20:17 AM PST by null and void (I don't know how I got over the hill without getting to the top...)
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To: null and void

My daughter says America West sucks---wait till I tell her this.


5 posted on 01/21/2005 11:20:28 AM PST by Mears
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To: null and void
Just another reason to NOT fly JetBlue!

As if we needed another reason!
In addition to having George Soros as their largest stockholder,
using the European aircraft Airbus instead of Boeing jets,
and turning over private passenger records to the govt.,
now we can add this one to the list!

Don't fly JETBLUE--your money is helping George Soros--and maintenance jobs are being sent overseas!! JetBlue doesn't like to publicly discuss these two facts.

6 posted on 01/21/2005 11:47:51 AM PST by stockstrader
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To: null and void

Similar rumors about Northwest Airlines.
http://www.kstptv5.com/article/stories/s5516.html

ST. PAUL (AP) - An ambitious plan to expand the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport got off to a fast start when Gov. Tim Pawlenty and Northwest Airlines executives announced it last fall. But on Tuesday, Northwest mechanics and some lawmakers urged a slowdown, saying the plan puts 2,000 jobs at risk.

The "2020 Vision" expansion calls for the demolition of several Northwest maintenance hangars at the airport, to make room for more gates. With those hangars gone, mechanics' jobs would be sure to follow, said Ted Ludwig, president of Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association Local 33.


7 posted on 01/21/2005 11:58:49 AM PST by MN_Rightside
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To: null and void

BTTT


8 posted on 01/21/2005 12:11:13 PM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: null and void

BTTT


9 posted on 01/21/2005 12:17:52 PM PST by need_a_screen_name
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To: null and void

Who knew I was ahead of the curve 10 years ago when I stopped flying America West! I still have 200,000 skymiles with this LOUSY Airline which I NEVER use. However, it's a Win-Win: They don't respect me as a passenger/customer and I take my business to Delta and American.


10 posted on 01/21/2005 12:20:46 PM PST by He'sComingBack! (Just another National Championship from the "weak" PAC-10)
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To: null and void

The US has the highest standards of Aircraft Maintenance in the world.

I finance US manufactured aircraft for export to foreign countries.

I can not finance a US manufactured aircraft for export if that aircraft has been maintained outside of the US.

There is a good reason for that and it has nothing to do with free trade.


11 posted on 01/21/2005 1:19:12 PM PST by Pylot
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To: null and void
I'm really surprised that no one has come to the defense of these airlines for their outsourcing of maintenance work. Using that cheaper labor will benefit everyone as it will help keep down the price of airline tickets, right?

And that's not even to mention the benefits of using El Salvador's well-known 'world-class aircraft maintenance'! <-rolling eyes

Every knows that if you want cheap, productive, and the highest-quality jet maintenance--El Salvador is the place to go!! <--sarcasm off

12 posted on 01/21/2005 1:19:45 PM PST by stockstrader
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To: He'sComingBack!

I think there might be a few US troops on leave who could use some skymiles. (For that matter, I wouldn't mind a couple thousand myself!)


13 posted on 01/21/2005 1:23:17 PM PST by null and void (I don't know how I got over the hill without getting to the top...)
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To: Pylot

I'm sure that as the largest stockholder in JetBlue-George Soros has no problem at all with JetBlue OUTSOURCING it's maintenance to El Salvador.


14 posted on 01/21/2005 1:26:12 PM PST by stockstrader
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To: null and void

Where are all the 'Free-Trader' comments on this one???


15 posted on 01/21/2005 1:36:39 PM PST by stockstrader
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To: null and void

You get what you pay for...


16 posted on 01/21/2005 1:38:15 PM PST by XHogPilot
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To: null and void
Dey tukh er JAHHHHBS!!!
17 posted on 01/21/2005 1:39:17 PM PST by Clemenza (Europhiles and Monarchists should be purged)
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To: stockstrader

Beats me! (Maybe cuz it isn't China?)


18 posted on 01/21/2005 2:10:36 PM PST by null and void (I don't know how I got over the hill without getting to the top...)
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To: null and void
The silence from the "Free-Traders" on the benefits of outsourcing jet maintenance to the WORLD-CLASS, high-tech facilities of El Salvador is just deafening!

<--still waiting for someone to step up on this one

I'd like to hear Greg Mankiw explain the benefits of outsourcing on this one....lol

19 posted on 01/21/2005 2:52:38 PM PST by stockstrader
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To: stockstrader

It's not just the jobs, think about the security...


20 posted on 01/21/2005 4:03:36 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

Not one "Free-Trader" Freeper has responded yet.


21 posted on 01/21/2005 4:20:15 PM PST by stockstrader
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To: null and void
Haven't tried JetBlue to Florida yet and now I know I'll stick to Southwest.
22 posted on 01/21/2005 8:32:05 PM PST by CaptainK
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To: null and void
Jet Blue and America West -- send their planes to El Salvador for "long distance" maintenance

Anybody know if this is phase type maintenance? I also wonder if America West is doing just AirBus work down there?

Regardless, I wonder how the FAA is supposed to monitor work done outside the country?

23 posted on 01/21/2005 9:25:25 PM PST by USNBandit (Florida military absentee voter number 537.)
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To: USNBandit

The FAA makes regular visits to the maintenence facility in Costa Rica.


24 posted on 01/21/2005 9:27:28 PM PST by Clemenza (Europhiles and Monarchists should be purged)
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To: Clemenza
Great,,,maybe we can outsource ALL airline maintenance overseas. That would help keep down airline fares and help with airline profitability, right? Why don't all the other carriers outsource to other countries? After all, if it can be done cheaper there,,,,why in the world would we want the work done here?

Especially if we can get the work done in the quality, world-class, state-of-the-art engineering facilities in Costa Rica and El Salvador with all the high-tech engineers and technicians that those two countries have to offer? All that we have to do is send the FAA down there to inspect them, right?

BTW, George Soros now controls almost 17 million shares of JetBlue!!

Don't fly JetBlue!!

25 posted on 01/21/2005 11:00:48 PM PST by stockstrader
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To: stockstrader
Costa Rica has a literacy rate comparable to the USA.

I work in the industry. You don't have to worry about too much maintenence outsourcing happening, due to 1. FAA regulations and 2. the logistics of the industry (not cost effective to outsource all maintenence out of country. A LOT MORE than labor costs are involved when maintaining a plane).

It all doesn't matter as every carrier save Southwest is losing money. We have WAY TOO MUCH capacity out there for the trunk carriers to return to profitability, no matter how much "cost cutting" they do.

26 posted on 01/21/2005 11:13:09 PM PST by Clemenza (Europhiles and Monarchists should be purged)
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To: stockstrader

BTW: I fly Continental, Southwest, and United (which may go bye-bye next year, most likely merging with another carrier). Never was impressed with Jet Blue, although Jeff Neeleman is a good guy.


27 posted on 01/21/2005 11:14:46 PM PST by Clemenza (Europhiles and Monarchists should be purged)
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To: stockstrader

Proud "Free Trader" here. Then again, I derive my living from international trade. Always have.


28 posted on 01/21/2005 11:15:26 PM PST by Clemenza (Europhiles and Monarchists should be purged)
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To: All

I only want lazy, disgruntled, greedy American union workers to fix my planes!


29 posted on 01/21/2005 11:23:15 PM PST by Royal Wulff
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To: null and void

Why is this an issue?

Honestly, I worked for America West when we outsourced all maintenance to third parties, the unions won and got most of it back. We used to send our planes to Tramco in Seattle and to a company in Winnipeg, Candada, they did crappy work.

As for El Salvador, what you all don't realize is that one of the safest airlines out there Grupo TACA runs out of El Salvador. And, they aren't a bunch of fat assed lazy union goons down there, they do the job to the specifications necessary to fly in the US.

Of course we could all have a bunch of lazy assed union monkeys do the job at 3X the cost and at questionable quality here in the US, or, we could raise fares to reflect the increase in gas prices.....

But, no, the american public would fly a balsa wood airplane if the fare was low enough....


30 posted on 01/22/2005 11:00:05 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Save America, Turn in a Tax Protester)
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To: null and void

I hope everyone who thinks outsourcing is good for America feels safe flying those airlines.


31 posted on 01/22/2005 11:04:42 PM PST by lewislynn (The meaning of life can be described in one word...Grandchildren)
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To: Clemenza

Thank you for your reasoned response, the posters here know zero about airlines, they bitch and whine about the service, but they will troll the web for the absolute lowest price, regarless of the airline.

Then they will bitch about the service, and say "never again", till its time for the next trip.

Only reason Southwest is not losing money is that they had the clout to hedge their fuel purchases, had they not, they would be waaaaay in the red.

The ignorance of the airline reporters is amazing, its all drama and little facts.


32 posted on 01/22/2005 11:05:07 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Save America, Turn in a Tax Protester)
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To: lewislynn
I hope everyone who thinks outsourcing is good for America feels safe flying those airlines. Well, you might be shocked to see the "quality" of some of the shops in America. Now, where in this argument did they go into what type of maintenance, was it C checks, D checks? Sure, its easy to deride a country like El Salvador (which we as conservatives should be bragging about these days) but you assume the worst. Do you honestly think the airlines are putting unsafe airplanes in the sky? I have flown on dozens of airlines from the first world to very dodgy third world airlines, trust me, Jet Blue and America West have better quality control than any other country when it comes to their planes. They could take the work in house, but you will just search for an airline that is $5 cheaper, and forget all your blathering about safety. BTW, do a database search of all the American airlines with crashes in the last 20 years, you will find a whole bunch of American Airlines, UsAirways, United, Delta crashes, but zero crashes or fatalities for America West (started in 1983) or Jet Blue, which started about 4-5 years ago.
33 posted on 01/22/2005 11:13:55 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Save America, Turn in a Tax Protester)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

Thanks for the insight from an industry insider.


34 posted on 01/23/2005 7:53:05 AM PST by null and void (Let there be dancing in the streets, drinking in the saloons and necking in the park!)
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