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With Crackdown on Grade Inflation, Princeton Students Feeling the Heat
ap.tbo.com ^ | Jan 22, 2005 | Geoff Mulvihill

Posted on 01/22/2005 1:27:28 PM PST by foolscap

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1 posted on 01/22/2005 1:27:29 PM PST by foolscap
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I am so glad they are finally doing this. It put the students coming from state schools at an unfair place. The last sentence of the article was the truth, grad and professional schools don't care where the grades come from and if your school doesn't inflate grades.


2 posted on 01/22/2005 1:31:04 PM PST by Merry
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To: foolscap
One thought:

Grades don't always follow a bell-curve distribution. If you have a large group of intelligent, highly motivated students (which, presumably, anyway, is what Princeton students should be) and an objective exam, why is there no legitimate reason why the entire class couldn't legitimately earn all A's?

3 posted on 01/22/2005 1:31:59 PM PST by jude24 ("To go against conscience is neither right nor safe." - Martin Luther)
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"...and an objective exam..."

A lot of college work is papers, not exams, so there is always some subjectivity to the scoring. I think just pre-determining that only 35% can get As is silly, though. Just another quota system, not a good, or fair, idea.


4 posted on 01/22/2005 1:38:20 PM PST by jocon307 (Ann Coulter was right)
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To: jocon307
A lot of college work is papers, not exams, so there is always some subjectivity to the scoring.

There are means to grade subjective work somewhat objectively; I won't pretend to know it, but I am aware that my law school professors try to use this method.

5 posted on 01/22/2005 1:40:17 PM PST by jude24 ("To go against conscience is neither right nor safe." - Martin Luther)
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...why is there no legitimate reason why the entire class couldn't legitimately earn all A's?

What would you give the average student in this class?

6 posted on 01/22/2005 1:41:40 PM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: foolscap

About damn time.


7 posted on 01/22/2005 1:43:57 PM PST by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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To: foolscap

It has always cracked me up to hear the MSM demean the president's grades from the 60's. Most folks know full well that grade inflation has made the "A's" that are being thrown about like confetti nearly meaningless.


8 posted on 01/22/2005 1:46:05 PM PST by Peach (The grill on the hill. The Democrats are toast.)
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To: jude24

All exams should be graded on whether the questions were answered properly period. Not on the fact that most of those who took the exam did well so all should receive the same grade.





9 posted on 01/22/2005 1:46:25 PM PST by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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To: Mrs Mark
Depends.

A C does not necessarily equate with "Average." If C equated to "average," there'd be no stigma attached to having an average student's level of comprehension of, say, organic chemistry.

A C, rather, is indicitive of an adequate mastery of the subject, or so it should. A B is a good mastery of the subject, and an A should reflect strong mastery of the subject.

If all the students in the class understood and interacted with the subject material well, I would argue that it would be wrong and unfair not to give those student's "A's" just because of some sort of quota system. Especially when graduate schools and employers attach a stigma to the "C."

10 posted on 01/22/2005 1:46:34 PM PST by jude24 ("To go against conscience is neither right nor safe." - Martin Luther)
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To: Dustbunny
Not on the fact that most of those who took the exam did well so all should receive the same grade.

Not at all what I said, or meant.

What I am asking is, if all the students demonstrated mastery of the subject on the exam, why should they not all be given A's? A quota is a pretty poor reason to determine how well someone mastered the course materials.

11 posted on 01/22/2005 1:49:03 PM PST by jude24 ("To go against conscience is neither right nor safe." - Martin Luther)
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To: jude24
One thought: Grades don't always follow a bell-curve distribution. If you have a large group of intelligent, highly motivated students (which, presumably, anyway, is what Princeton students should be) and an objective exam, why is there no legitimate reason why the entire class couldn't legitimately earn all A's?

I have to ask, are you really serious with this thought or are you just being tongue in cheek?

12 posted on 01/22/2005 1:49:04 PM PST by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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To: jude24

Is that how they graded you during your high school years?


13 posted on 01/22/2005 1:50:29 PM PST by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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To: Mrs Mark

A

If the whole class earned A then they earned A and the average woud be A.


14 posted on 01/22/2005 1:51:08 PM PST by e p1uribus unum
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To: Dustbunny
I'm serious.

I'm willing to concede that at Princeton, the population may not be all hard-working, intelligent students. If Admissions does their job properly, though, it should be.

15 posted on 01/22/2005 1:51:10 PM PST by jude24 ("To go against conscience is neither right nor safe." - Martin Luther)
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To: Dustbunny
How is that relevant, other than a pathetic attempt at an ad hominem attack?
16 posted on 01/22/2005 1:52:10 PM PST by jude24 ("To go against conscience is neither right nor safe." - Martin Luther)
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To: Merry

Quotas for A's. And you think that's a good idea?


17 posted on 01/22/2005 1:52:50 PM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: foolscap
I always thought that the grade should be based only on the percentage of answers that are correct...

what was princeton basing it on, who is the most popular in the class or how much money the parents/family gave to the school?

18 posted on 01/22/2005 1:52:56 PM PST by NoClones
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My high school was extremely competitive. Teachers graded f, d-,d,c-,c,b-,b,90,91,92,93, etc.to 100.

There were classes that ran from b to 98 or higher. Why not?

If the school is too tight on grades, then potential grad school applicants will have to flood the easy courses or be out-competed not only by their classmates by by foreign gad school applicants.


19 posted on 01/22/2005 1:57:22 PM PST by e p1uribus unum
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If Admissions does their job properly, though, it should be.

And the chance of this would be?

20 posted on 01/22/2005 2:04:34 PM PST by freespirited
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