[indcons]

I'll believe it when the terror actually stops.

[Cornpone]

Yeah? But did he say it in Arabic or is this just another example of the old Arabic ploy that Arafat used--say what you want the West to hear in English and then tell the street in Arabic to slit the throats of all Christians and Jews.

[Borges]

"Islam is a religion of moderation. Extremism has no place in Islam,"

He must have heard that Johnny Carson died and is auditioning for a late night gig. His material is funny but still needs some work. The punch lines lack zip.

[weegee]

We will see just how "influential" he is.

[68skylark]

It's nice to read about a Muslim leader who speaks ill of terrorism. I wish there were more like him.

[popdonnelly]

If you don't back the Muslims who speak out for moderation, you're not going to get any moderation.

[Dog Gone]

This isn't possible. We have hundreds of posters here who complain that no muslim will ever speak out against terrorism.

[iconoclast]

Well, that's different news.

We can't be blamed for being skeptical, it HAS been an awful long wakeup call.

[oldbrowser]

One of Saudi Arabia's most influential clerics urged Muslims to eschew terrorism

Every time they mention one of these clerics they say he is one of the most influential or powerful. Don't they have a ranking system of some kind so that they can control all the other fools running around issuing decrees of all sorts ?

[montag813]

"Islam is a religion of moderation. Extremism has no place in Islam,"

I guess he himself hasn't even read Islam's own "holy" texts, a bizarre "Alice in Wonderland" meets Freddy Kreuger world, where rocks and trees call out "Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him" (Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177)

[QwertyKPH]

Baby steps. Speaking out against terrorism is fine. This cleric may even be putting his life in danger for doing so from inside Saudi Arabia. Remember, that's where 13 of the 911 hijackers came from.

[weegee]

"Many non-Muslims know very little or nothing about Islam and depend on hearsays, which are repulsive and distorted," Al-Asheikh said.

He said people who hated Islam were claiming that the religion encouraged terrorism and extremism, and appeared to be winning in some aspects because some people were starting to think that what they were being told about Islam was the truth.

Exposing Islam's enemies

"It is only through constructive dialogue, led by people who understand Islam and its teachings, that the enemies of Islam could be exposed and their lies refuted," Al-Asheik said.

Muslims need to wake up to the reality that the chief "enemies of Islam" are the radical Islamonazis (who reportedly "aren't following true Islam").

Non-Buddhists Jews and Christians are "the chief enemies of Buddhism" nor are we the "chief enemies of Hinduism". Muslims would be the chief enemies of those faiths.

"Why's everybody always picking on me?" Charlie Brown as sung by the Coasters (songwriting team of Lieber and Stoller)

[CyberAnt]

Well .. I think it's a realization that the Bush Doctrine is not going away - and the Saudi's better get their act together. They have turned a blind eye and allowed their own citizens to be attacked.

THIS STATEMENT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SAID ON SEPTEMBER 12, 2001.

[StoneGiant]

It's amazing what happens when the chickens come home to roost, isnt' it?

It would appear that the threat of terrorism is becoming "personal" for the House of Saud.

[jb6]

Key phrases:

Al-Sudais' call came in the wake of stepped up attacks by militant Muslims in troubled areas of the Middle East. Some of the attacks have occurred in Saudi Arabia, blamed on militants linked to the al-Qaeda network, which had declared the pro-US Saudi rulers apostates.

Did it arise after 911? No. After Madrid? No. After Belsan? No. Only in response to terror within the ME.

Al-Sudais said the branding of followers of other faiths as infidels and attempts to incite Muslims to rise against their leaders had caused instability not only in the region but in other areas of the globe, as well

Ahh a call to keep the dictators and absolutests and mullah in power in the ME. No call for peace in non-Islamic nations.

[HighlyOpinionated]

Self-Preservtion, perhaps?

See http://www.altway.freeuk.com/Answers/175-ReLying.htm for additional B-S-ing.

quoted below:

Re- Lying



Critic:-

The expression "taquija" means to dissimulate and is used when serving the propagation of Islam or benefiting a Muslim compared to 'infidels'. Lying to 'infidels' is officially acknowledged in Islam and is religiously motivated. It is, therefore, advisable for non-Muslims not to believe what Muslims tell you.

Comment:-

This is typical case of misunderstanding or deliberate twisting by those who are hostile to Islam.

"Taqiyyah" is from the root "waqaa" (to safeguard). It means "self-protection". It is used to hide one's beliefs in order to avoid persecution or harm to oneself if no useful purpose could be served by publicly affirming them. It is based on the following verses of the Qur'an:-

"Verily, those who believe not in Allah's signs, Allah will not guide them, and for them is grievous woe. Only they are the inventors who believe not in Allah's signs; and these, they are the liars. Whoso disbelieves in Allah after having believed - UNLESS IT BE ONE WHO IS FORCED AND WHOSE HEART IS STILL CONTENT IN FAITH - but whoso expands his breast to (easing) misbelieve - on them is wrath from Allah, and theirs is a mighty doom. That is because they preferred the love of the life of this world to the Hereafter, and because Allah guides not unbelieving people. These are they on whose hearts, and hearing, and sight, Allah has sealed, and these, they are the heedless." 16:104-108

Lying, as the verse indicates, means inventing things when one does not believe in what is real (i.e. made by God). This could be consciously done or even sub-consciously. People do not only want to deceive others for various reasons, but also deceive themselves. They also make statements in order to try to convince themselves.

Taqiyyah has absolutely nothing to do with lying, fraud or making false statements or promises. It is the inner intention that determines right or wrong.

The word Taqiyyah might also be used to protect a doctrine from corruption by concealing from corrupters or by defending it by explaining it.

Muslims are sometimes accused of lying when they are presenting Islam in a manner that is acceptable to the listener. But this is a common educational strategy. It is not difficult to determine and understand that different people understand words differently. This causes them to misunderstand what a person is saying. This may lead to many futile arguments or to long discussions to clarify what is meant. The intelligent thing to do, therefore, is to learn about the culture of a people, their ideas and values and about how they use and understand language. Then to explain things accordingly rather than by a literal translation of the Quran which was primarily designed for another people in another age.

It is clear that those who try to propagate and explain Islam must be persons of intelligence and knowledge as well as of virtue who can demonstrate Islam in their lives. Others would do more harm than good. Those who genuinely wish to learn about Islam ought, therefore, to seek such persons.


Yeah, seek a Muslim who calls you an Infidel, ask a few questions of him, give him your address, open the door when he knocks, invite him in to talk "religion" and watch as he butchers your children, wife and you.

[traderrob6]

Muslim bashing is no diferent than the anti-Christian, anti- Semitism bullsh!^ going on around the world. Bashing is bashing and It is despicable, especially when I see it here on FR. People doing it have more in common with the Dummies and personally I would love to see them make that pilgrimage

[NRA2BFree]

Islam does not mean killing non-Muslims, Al-Sudais said.

"It does not mean shedding blood and terrorism, such as killing people (by planting bombs) to send their body parts flying."

I think the Cleric's a little too late in speaking out. He should have done it after the FIRST terrorist attack was committed by Muslims. I guess he hasn't read the verses in the Koran that COMMAND ALL Muslims to KILL INFIDELS.

Unfortunately the son's of Satan have spread out around the world to do their evil deeds. NOTHING but nukes will ever change the ME. NOTHING will save the US from them. We can only retaliate against them AFTER they have murdered Americans. The IDEAL thing would be to deport ALL Muslims from America, unless they renounce Islam. I will NEVER trust one again.

[philetus]

I am assuming that Sheikh Abdur-Rahman al-Sudays, Imam of the Ka'ba who is in London today to preach at the East London Mosque is the same person as Sheikh Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis, Imam of the Al-Haraam mosque in Mecca who has delivered himself of the following gems:

In one of his sermons ... Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis... beseeched Allah to annihilate the Jews. He also urged the Arabs to give up peace initiatives with them because they are "the scum of the human race, the rats of the world, the violators of pacts and agreements, the murderers of the prophets, and the offspring of apes and pigs."

"Read history," called Al-Sudayyis in another sermon, "and you will understand that the Jews of yesterday are the evil fathers of the Jews of today, who are evil offspring, infidels, distorters of [others'] words, calf-worshippers, prophet-murderers, prophecy-deniers... the scum of the human race 'whom Allah cursed and turned into apes and pigs...' These are the Jews, an ongoing continuum of deceit, obstinacy, licentiousness, evil, and corruption

http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sr&ID=SR01102


http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sr&ID=SR01102

[philetus]

May 13, 2004, 8:46 a.m.
Kingdom Comes to North America
Top Saudi cleric to visit Canada.

By Steven Stalinsky

Sheikh Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis, the Saudi government appointed imam of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, will give a series of lectures in Canada next week and attend the Islamic Society of North America conference in Toronto. Al-Sudayyis's position is one of the most prestigious in Sunni Islam. Thus, his sermons hold significant weight throughout the Islamic world.

The themes of his sermons are characterized by confrontation toward non-Muslims. Al-Sudayyis calls Jews "scum of the earth" and "monkeys and pigs" who should be "annihilated." Other enemies of Islam, he says, are "worshippers of the cross" and "idol-worshipping Hindus" who should be fought. Al-Sudayyis has been consistent in calling for jihad in Kashmir and Chechnya, for Jerusalem to be liberated, and for the "occupiers in Iraq" to also be fought. He often claims that Islam is superior to Western culture.

At the Grand Mosque in Mecca on February 1, 2004, Sheikh Al-Sudayyis called on Muslims everywhere to unite to defeat the world's occupiers and oppressors. "History has never known a cause in which our religious principles, historical rights, and past glories are so clearly challenged.... The conflict between us and the Jews is one of creed, identity, and existence." He told those listening to "read history," in order "to know that yesterday's Jews were bad predecessors and today's Jews are worse successors. They are killers of prophets and the scum of the earth. Allah hurled his curses and indignation on them and made them monkeys and pigs and worshippers of tyrants. These are the Jews, a continuous lineage of meanness, cunning, obstinacy, tyranny, evil, and corruption...."

Al-Sudayyis elaborated on the conflict between Muslims and Jews:

O Muslims, the Islamic nation today is at the peak of conflict with the enemies of yesterday, today, and tomorrow, with the grandsons of Bani-Quraydah, Al-Nadhir, and Qaynuqa [Jewish tribes in the early days of Islam]. May Allah's curses follow them until the Day of Judgment.

The nation must know that these are people with a disgraceful history and.... They want to establish the Greater Israel with Jerusalem as its capital. They also aspire to demolish the Al-Aqsa Mosque and build their alleged temple in its place. They want to liquidate the State of Islam and the Koran, and build the State of the Torah and Talmud on its debris. They will get what they deserve from Allah.... Our Al-Aqsa is crying out saying all mosques have been liberated, while I — a great holy mosque — am still being desecrated. Is the aspiration of over 1 billion Muslims to preserve their holy places [to be] considered savagery and terrorism? What a great lie, O Allah, O steadfast brothers in struggler and steadfast Palestine, the land of honor, loftiness, sacrifice, jihad, and bravery. The captivity of our Al-Aqsa in the hands of the tyrants makes us sleepless. May Allah please us with its liberation. Victory is coming soon, Allah willing.

....Here are the flags of victory looming on the horizon. We can smell it. It is crowned by a brave jihad, an intifada, which is still the winning card and the lit candle in the hands of the devout sons of this nation.... O nation of jihad and sacrifice, it is the duty of Muslims to support their brothers in creed in Palestine and elsewhere and to back them with material and moral support. Jihad with money sometimes supersedes jihad with soul, as mentioned in many Koranic verses and the prophet's traditions.

In a sermon on April 23, 2004, regarding Iraq, Al-Sudayyis stated that "our Muslim brothers in the Iraq of history and civilization are facing another bloody chapter, particularly in the brave, steadfast city of Al-Fallujah." He called on Muslims everywhere to unite "to defeat all their occupiers and oppressors" for the destruction of the enemies of Islam, to support "our mujahedeen brothers in Palestine," and to disperse "the unjust Zionists."

Discussing plots by enemies of Islam, who he identifies as Hindus, Jews, and Christians, Al-Sudayyis delivered a sermon on May 31, 2002, which stated:

Those whom Allah cursed, got angry with, and turned into monkeys and pigs, the tyrant worshippers among the Jewish aggressors and criminal Zionists. Their course is supported by the advocates of usury and worshippers of the Cross, as well as by those who are infatuated with them and influenced by their rotten ideas and poisonous culture among the advocates of secularism and Westernization.... The enemies of Muslims among the atheists insist on their arrogance and aggression against our people and our holy places in Chechnya? The idol-worshipping Hindus indulge in their open hatred against our brothers and holy places...in Muslim Kashmir, threatening an imminent danger and a fierce war in the whole Indian sub-continent?... O Allah, support our brother Mujahedeen for your sake and the oppressed everywhere. O Allah, support them in Palestine, Kashmir, and Chechnya. O Allah, we ask you to support our Palestinian brothers in Palestine against the aggressor Jews and usurper Zionists. O Allah, the Jews have oppressed, terrorized, and indulged in tyranny and corruption. O Allah, deal with them for they are within your power.

According to Sheikh Al-Sudayyis, Islam is superior to Western culture. He told worshipers in Mecca in February 2002: "The most noble civilization ever known to mankind is our Islamic civilization. Today, Western civilization is nothing more than the product of its encounter with our Islamic civilization in Andalusia [medieval Spain]. The reason for [Western civilization's] bankruptcy is its reliance on the materialistic approach, and its detachment from religion and values. [This approach] has been one reason for the misery of the human race, for the proliferation of suicide, mental problems...and for moral perversion.... Only one nation is capable of resuscitating global civilization, and that is the nation [of Islam].... While the false cultures sink in the swamp of materialism and suffer moral crises...our Islamic nation is the one worthy of grasping the reins of leadership and riding on the back of the horse of pioneering and world sovereignty."

"Read history," Al-Sudayyis stated in another sermon in May 2002, "and you will understand that the Jews of yesterday are the evil fathers of the Jews of today, who are evil offspring, infidels, distorters of [others'] words, calf-worshippers, prophet-murderers, prophecy-deniers ... the scum of the human race 'whom Allah cursed and turned into apes and pigs....' These are the Jews, an ongoing continuum of deceit, obstinacy, licentiousness, evil, and corruption...."

The concluding supplications of Al-Sudayyis sermons are often filled with statements concerning current affairs. He consistently calls for "Muslims to humiliate the infidels (non-Muslims)," as well as for their destruction. For example, on November 1, 2002, he stated "O Allah, support our mujahedeen bothers in Palestine, Kashmir, and Chechnya and destroy the aggressor Jews and the tyrannical Zionists, for they are within your power." In a June 21, 2002, sermon, Al-Sudayyis gives supplication: "O Allah, support them in Palestine, Kashmir, and Chechnya. O Allah, deal with the Jews and Zionists for they are within Your power. O Allah, scatter their assemblies, make them a lesson for others, and let them and their property be a booty for Muslims."

In another sermon in May 2003, Sheikh Al-Sudayyis condemned what he termed the "serpents" to "spit their venom" by harming the Islamic religion, ridiculing the pious, and blaming the school curricula and religious and welfare institutions. Al-Sudayyis stated: "O Lord, support our brother mujahedeen for your sake everywhere. O Lord, support them in Palestine. O Lord, deal with the aggressor Jews and sinful Zionists. O Lord, deal with them for they are within Your power. O Lord, deal with the enemies of religion and show us the miracles of Your power on them." Also, on July 11, 2003, he stated: "O Allah, support our mujahedeen brothers everywhere. O Allah, help them score victory over the unjust Jews and aggressive Zionists in Palestine. O Allah, destroy the Jews and their supporters. O Allah, destroy them, for they are within your power. O Allah, disperse them and make them prey for Muslims."

According to statements beginning in June 2003 made by Washington D.C. Saudi-embassy spokesman Adel Al-Jubeir, "Hundreds of imams [in Saudi Arabia] who violated prohibitions against preaching intolerance have been removed from their positions and more than 1,000 have been suspended and referred to educational programs." Clearly, this is not the case with Saudi Arabia's leading imam, Sheikh Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis, who continues to preach incitement from the most holy site in all of Islam.

— Steven Stalinsky is executive director of the Middle East Media Research Institute.