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The War Against World War IV (A Second-Term Retreat?)
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| February 2005
| Norman Podhoretz
Posted on 01/23/2005 1:05:25 PM PST by tbird5
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To: tet68
Ha, hits in the black.
Dang pesky punctuation.
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posted on
01/23/2005 2:30:34 PM PST
by
tet68
( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
To: tet68
I stopped reading after, "...The retrograde "red-state voters..."
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posted on
01/23/2005 2:35:22 PM PST
by
snopercod
( We as the people no longer truly believe in liberty, not as Americans did -- Dayfdd ab Hugh)
To: Joe Bonforte
"The "realists" are what Mark Steyn call "stability junkies","
Otherwise known as sellouts.
To: EternalVigilance
Don't forgot The Cola Wars.
To: voteconstitutionparty
I'm a Coke man, myself...
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posted on
01/23/2005 2:40:43 PM PST
by
EternalVigilance
(The Left believes in everything about the First Amendment....except what it actually says!)
To: demecleze
I think the moniker "World War" should apply when you have total war between all of the dominant powers on the planet.It does. The next time there's an all-out military war across the globe, it's going to be known as "WWIII," because that's what everyone's going to call it. Just as there was no government decree that the attacks on the WTC and Pentagon were to be forever referred to as "9/11," no mere set of intellectuals is going to tell the public that we have to start calling the Cold War by a different name. Whatever name comes to the forefront of our culture is what will stick.
If there was a full nuclear exchange tomorrow morning between the U.S. and Russia, I don't think those of us that are left would be calling it "World War V."
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posted on
01/23/2005 2:41:58 PM PST
by
Dont Mention the War
(Liberal radio can be summed up in five words: Dead air, um, dead air.)
To: tbird5
Of course, things are a little different now. In 1968, when Walter Cronkite, speaking in his characteristically solemn tones from the anchor chair of the CBS Evening News, endorsed the view that Tet had been a defeat for us, Johnson realized that there was nothing further he could do to counter this blatant falsehood, and that he himself was for all practical purposes finished. But with the rise of alternatives to the mainstream media like talk radio, Fox News, and the blogosphere, when in 2004 Cronkites successor, Dan Rather, tried to palm off a falsehood about George W. Bush, it was he and not Bush who was for all practical purposes finished.Bui Tin, who served on the general staff of the North Vietnamese army, told the Wall Street Journal after his retirement that the antiwar movement in the United States was "essential to our strategy."
the present leaders of the democrat party are the same anti-warriors of the 1960s-70s.
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posted on
01/23/2005 2:42:23 PM PST
by
ken21
(4 as much time as u spend on the internet, u cd have several college degrees--daisy noonan)
To: voteconstitutionparty; EternalVigilance
Don't forgot The Cola Wars.Does that mean that Al Gore and John Kerry were the New Coke and Crystal Pepsi of the Democratic Party?
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posted on
01/23/2005 2:44:22 PM PST
by
Dont Mention the War
(Liberal radio can be summed up in five words: Dead air, um, dead air.)
To: Clypp
The Cuban missile crisis didn't affect nations? It was not the only time we were on the brink of nuclear war.
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posted on
01/23/2005 2:56:04 PM PST
by
weegee
(WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
To: Dont Mention the War
John Kerry is very much a "Tab" kind of guy. A horrible byproduct of the 60s and 70s. An effiminate girly man. And it came in a pinko can.
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posted on
01/23/2005 2:57:34 PM PST
by
weegee
(WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
To: EternalVigilance
Vehement agreement will not hide the fact that arbitrarily calling a non-war "WW III" is almost childish sophistry. More that "thinkers" who deal on that level are merely scammers and whatever they have to say is worthless.
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posted on
01/23/2005 2:58:21 PM PST
by
CBart95
To: voteconstitutionparty
W is a Dr. Pepper kind of a guy. Not that stuff that you see around America, but the local variety found in the Texas Hill Country, bottled by Dr. Pepper and still made with Imperial cane sugar.
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posted on
01/23/2005 2:58:48 PM PST
by
weegee
(WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
To: CBart95
So the Cold War was not a war then?
America gives medals for all who served if they want them.
The Korean War and Vietnam War had nothing to do with global communism, they were just territorial skermishes? Is that right?
The Berlin Wall was just a bit of civic redevelopment?
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posted on
01/23/2005 3:01:38 PM PST
by
weegee
(WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
To: CBart95
Let's see your credentials, Mr. Expert.
I seriously doubt they compare with those of Norm Podhoretz.
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posted on
01/23/2005 3:18:29 PM PST
by
EternalVigilance
(The Left believes in everything about the First Amendment....except what it actually says!)
To: EternalVigilance
Podhoretz is brilliant. People here who don't read this article are missing out on a very lucid and precise description of what's is going on in our war against terror. Some can quibble about what war number this is, but you miss many insights by bogging down in something like that.
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posted on
01/23/2005 3:35:44 PM PST
by
elhombrelibre
(Liberalism is proof that intelligent people can ignore as much as the ignorant.)
To: Dont Mention the War
Yes, and they lasted about as long.
To: weegee
John Kerry is very much a "Tab" kind of guy. A horrible byproduct of the 60s and 70s. An effiminate girly man. And it came in a pinko can.They still make that stuff! I just saw it in the supermarket last week. Still pink too.
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posted on
01/23/2005 3:41:53 PM PST
by
Dont Mention the War
(Liberal radio can be summed up in five words: Dead air, um, dead air.)
To: tbird5
Wow! This one must have taken up the whole magazine. A long read but a good summation of the last three years or so.
"Which is why I think (to say it one last time) that the amazing leader this President has amazingly turned out to be willlike the comparably amazing Harry Truman before him when he took on the Communist worldhave the wind at his back as he continues the struggle against Islamist radicalism and its vicious terrorist armory: a struggle whose objective is the spread of liberty and whose success will bring greater security and greater prosperity not only to the people of this country, and not only to the people of the greater Middle East, but also to the people of Europe and beyond, in spite of the sorry fact that so many of them do not wish to know it yet."
I beg to differ that the Europeans do not know yet that they need the security of a democratic ME. They know it. They just don't want the "swamps" to dry up before they sell their back log of weapons to offset their upcoming economic crisis. Besides, if the ME becomes overall prosperous..uh oh..no more "peasants" to exploit. What will that do to france's inflated self esteem? La boohoo.
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posted on
01/23/2005 3:43:04 PM PST
by
Earthdweller
(US descendant of French Protestants)
To: tbird5
The question is not whether when this goes hot it will be III, IV or V. The American Revolution was part of WW I. The Great War, the War to End All War, was WW II. The war against Fascism was WW III or WW II continued. The Cold War was no war at all but a series of local wars that involved the US locally. There was never to be a major war between Russia and the US, nor with China. In the next world war Russia, China, and the US will be allied once more.
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posted on
01/23/2005 3:46:59 PM PST
by
RightWhale
(Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
To: elhombrelibre
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posted on
01/23/2005 3:51:57 PM PST
by
EternalVigilance
(The Left believes in everything about the First Amendment....except what it actually says!)
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