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Democrats abandoning ideals, Nader says
The Seattle Times ^ | Monday, January 24, 2005 | [Local Digest]

Posted on 01/24/2005 4:55:41 AM PST by alessandrofiaschi

Former independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader blasted Democrats and Republicans alike as he spoke before a subdued crowd of roughly 300 at a Seattle Center conference room yesterday.
Nader accused Democrats of abandoning their liberal ideals by failing to oppose the war or champion the causes of the working class and the poor, minorities and the environment. He also complained of Democratic efforts to keep him off ballots in various states. Democrats, he said, should have beat Bush by a landslide, but they failed by trying to capture conservative voters and abandoning their liberal base. Nader called on people to join a concerted campaign to pressure Congress, saying 1 million people around the country dedicating 200 hours and $100 a year could advance liberal causes.
Nader also was stumping for money to pay off a roughly $250,000 debt from the 2004 presidential campaign. Nader faired poorly in Washington state, seeing his vote count drop from 103,000 in 2000 to 23,000 in 2004.


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Nader accused Democrats of abandoning their liberal ideals.

Pffffff... What a mess between liberals.

1 posted on 01/24/2005 4:55:45 AM PST by alessandrofiaschi
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To: alessandrofiaschi
Nader accused Democrats of abandoning their liberal ideals by failing to oppose the war or champion the causes of the working class and the poor, minorities and the environment.

Liberal ideals: socialism, cowardice, class envy, and paganism....

2 posted on 01/24/2005 5:03:28 AM PST by freebilly
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To: alessandrofiaschi

If liberals ran on what they really think it would not be close, but at least they'd be honest. And no, idiots, the problem is not that you aren't getting your message out.


3 posted on 01/24/2005 5:03:30 AM PST by shteebo
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To: alessandrofiaschi
Nader accused Democrats of abandoning their liberal ideals by failing to oppose the war

Me thinks Ralphie has to read up on his HISTORY.

  1. WWI - Wilson, Democrat
  2. WWII - Roosevelt, Democrat.
    And man did he ever go out of his way to get us INTO that war. The laws he broke prior to Dec 7th would get "us" 20 years in a Federal slammer.
  3. Korea - Truman, Democrat
  4. Vietnam - JFK & LBJ, Democrats
Now granted LBJ didn't really want to WIN in Vietnam so maybe that counts as opposing it?
4 posted on 01/24/2005 5:04:58 AM PST by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Gen G Patton)
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To: alessandrofiaschi
" ... they [Dimocrats] failed by trying to capture conservative voters and abandoning their liberal base."

Talk about a guy being delusional!

And here I thought I was paying close attention to the election campaign for two years.

I must really concentrate for 2006. ;)

5 posted on 01/24/2005 5:09:58 AM PST by G.Mason (A war mongering, UN hating, military industrial complex loving, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: alessandrofiaschi

I'm no fan of Nader, but there's a certain truth in it. Some people really think government can help the poor and downtrodden, and at least you can credit them with pity for the poor and downtrodden.

A hundred years of welfare failure might suggest otherwise, but hope springs eternal.

On the other hand, by historical standards, most union workers are now rich--so much for the downtrodden workers. They strive to become richer, but the chief concern of Democrats now is to preserve and expands their rights to sexual perversion and abortion. It's hard to pretend that these are compassionate issues, although they certainly try very hard to make them so with their coathanger marches and gay pride parades.


6 posted on 01/24/2005 5:11:18 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: alessandrofiaschi
saying 1 million people around the country dedicating 200 hours and $100 a year could advance liberal causes.

It works both ways....A million FReepers sitting around in their PJs can do a lot also...

7 posted on 01/24/2005 5:12:50 AM PST by Drango (To Serve Man.....IT'S A COOKBOOK!)
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To: freebilly
Liberal ideals: socialism, cowardice, class envy, and paganism....

Earth to Nader..democRATs never had any ideas, only dem-agogery.

You gotta have something before you can abandon it.

8 posted on 01/24/2005 5:25:39 AM PST by evad (Pats and Falcons..headed for the Big Show..well, almost :))
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To: evad

that's ideals or ideas, they never had either.


9 posted on 01/24/2005 5:26:49 AM PST by evad (Pats and Falcons..headed for the Big Show..well, almost :))
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To: alessandrofiaschi

yep, going as far left will reallt do it for them. LOL


10 posted on 01/24/2005 5:30:07 AM PST by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: All

Sorry for the typo's. Should have read---
Yep, going as far left as possible will really do it for them. LOL


11 posted on 01/24/2005 5:31:51 AM PST by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: alessandrofiaschi; Condor51
Nice thread and Good points.

I was slower than many Freepers. I only realized the Democrats had abandoned their ideals around the time that they tried to skewer Clarence Thomas and had the media's complicity in their efforts. I was ashamed of how cruel and dishonest the Democrats were, and couldn't stay in the party.

Other idealistic Democrats will wake up when they see the Neo-Progs (Neo-progressives - rhymes with Neo-Frogs) try to skewer Gonzales, Condi, and Bush's other nominees.

The Democratic Inquisition is in full swing now. Boxer is Grand Inquisitor at the moment.

Idealistic people don't like Inquisitors, do they Ralph Nader?

12 posted on 01/24/2005 5:32:23 AM PST by syriacus (Former staunch Democrat - 'til the party + the press manhandled a Judicial Nominee, Clarence Thomas)
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To: alessandrofiaschi
Nader lost his brains years ago.

According to him ALL the problems on the planet earth, and especially here, are caused by the horrible big business.
Thus, all the solutions lie in reining in big business.

Simplistic and dead wrong.
The young and the dumb keep voting for him and sending him money.

13 posted on 01/24/2005 5:33:35 AM PST by starfish923
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To: Condor51
Don't forget the most recent:

5. Yugoslavia - Clinton, Democrat

14 posted on 01/24/2005 5:37:43 AM PST by paudio (Four More Years..... Let's Use Them Wisely...)
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To: freebilly

THE LIBERAL CREDO

1. Capitalism creates oppression; government creates opportunity.

2. Traditional gender roles are artificial but feminism and homosexuality are government-protected lifestyles.

3. Self-esteem is paramount; government must undertake to guarantee each citizen-victim self-esteem no matter the cost.

4. The ACLU is good, because destroying religion and silencing believers are protected by the Constitution and the First Amendment; The NRA is bad because it defends the Constitution.

5. Standardized IQ tests are racist; racial quotas and affirmative action are not. Conservatives are racists; everybody knows that Black people can't make it on their own without big-buck government assistance programs and Hollyweirdos to proselytize the message 24/7.

6. Abortion is a natural right. The Founders just forgot to put it in the Constitution.

7. Normal sex is perverted. Threesomes, bestiality, necrophilia, homosexuality are just new ways to get a thrill.

8. Moral indignation is a liberal's standard strategy for endowing our output with superiority.

9. Victimization is our basic belief by which we blame and find others responsible for our own personal failures, then expect taxpayers, deep-pocketed individuals, or the courts to bail us out. It feels good to be in the throes of "victimization" and either A) causing victims, B) concocting victims, C) playing victim, D) commiserating over victims, or E) creating another class of victims to bleed over.

10. It's a liberal's duty to treat Middle America in the manner of raising mushrooms, that is to say, keep them in the dark and feed them lots of horse manure.


15 posted on 01/24/2005 5:40:04 AM PST by Liz (Wise men are instructed by reason; lesser men, by experience; the ignorant, by necessity. Cicero)
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To: shteebo
The Libertarians and Constitution Party types try to use that same whiny cop-out excuse for their own failures. "If only everyone was to believe as I do, then I would be happy!"
16 posted on 01/24/2005 5:45:04 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: alessandrofiaschi

Go left young man, go left. All the wealth and riches are there.


17 posted on 01/24/2005 5:47:13 AM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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To: freebilly
Nader accused Democrats of abandoning their liberal ideals

In other news, the Ghost of Arafat accused Saddam of abandoning his Moslem traditions...
18 posted on 01/24/2005 5:58:18 AM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (ATTN. MARXIST RED MSM: I RESENT your "RED STATE" switcheroo using our ELECTORAL MAP as PROPAGANDA!)
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To: Cicero

"at least you can credit them with pity for the poor and downtrodden."

Yeah, but....

"Not Yours To Give" -- Davy Crockett's Lesson in Government Benevolence
http://www.house.gov/paul/nytg.htm


19 posted on 01/24/2005 6:01:06 AM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (ATTN. MARXIST RED MSM: I RESENT your "RED STATE" switcheroo using our ELECTORAL MAP as PROPAGANDA!)
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To: alessandrofiaschi

B.O. Plenty speaks.


20 posted on 01/24/2005 6:22:40 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: alessandrofiaschi
Just a little late there Ralph. The Democrats Socialists abandonded ideals, morals, religion and anything sacred a long time ago.


21 posted on 01/24/2005 6:25:31 AM PST by unixfox (Close the borders, problems solved!)
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To: alessandrofiaschi

What ideals? Is Nader referring to corrupt big-city politics, or segregation? Those are two big features of the Democrats' past.


22 posted on 01/24/2005 6:36:47 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: alessandrofiaschi
Wow... what a scanty turnout for Ralph Nader in Soviet Seattle. I expected more. The times are definitely changing for the better and no more so than the sight of the Left turning on each other. I love it!

Denny Crane: "I look to two things: First to God and then to Fox News."

23 posted on 01/24/2005 6:39:40 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: freebilly
The Democrat Party has become the personification of evil!
The no longer stretch the truth they out right lie and laugh about it. To vote Democrat you have to be loyal to a party or outright illiterate
24 posted on 01/24/2005 6:40:03 AM PST by gunnedah
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To: gunnedah
Nader accused Democrats of abandoning their liberal ideals by failing to oppose the war or champion the causes of the working class and the poor, minorities and the environment.

Nader=Democrats=Socialists

25 posted on 01/24/2005 7:01:11 AM PST by sr4402
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To: popdonnelly
What ideals? Is Nader referring to corrupt big-city politics, or segregation? Those are two big features of the Democrats' past, present and future.
26 posted on 01/24/2005 7:32:07 AM PST by alessandrofiaschi
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To: Cicero
On the other hand, by historical standards, most union workers are now rich--so much for the downtrodden workers.

Which historical standards are you going by? How many "rich" union workers, by workers I mean workers not management working for a union company, do you know personally. I worked in a union shop for 35 years and never got rich. What I did get was health insurance, the right to not get fired because my eyes were not the right color and the right to turn down working on my days off if I chose not to. These were just some of the benefits for working Union. I did receive more pay than non-union workers working the same jobs in other places but that is hardly being rich.

I really think a lot of you have the wrong opinion about Unions and the people working in them. MOST union workers I personally know, do not vote the Union party, which is Democrat as we all know, but vote the party, usually republican, that they wish.

Instead of slamming Unions and others on here all the time you might want to see if any of them are, or have been, union and what they think. A union conservative is just as valuble as a non union conservative and far more valuble than a Democrat of any kind.

It is possible to make people switch sides when you blindly, like libs, chant rhetoric you have heard and come to believe over the years. Unions were necessary in this country and still are if people are to get decent pay and medical insurance through their employees instead of being stuck by corps like Wal-mart, who force their people to work overtime, in some states, without pay. Ok, enough but maybe you could be more careful and try to be less liberal with your biases.

27 posted on 01/24/2005 8:38:05 AM PST by calex59
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To: alessandrofiaschi
Nader accused Democrats of abandoning their liberal ideals by failing to oppose the war or champion the causes of the working class and the poor, minorities and the environment. He also complained of Democratic efforts to keep him off ballots in various states.

Anyone doubt that he considered the latter to be a more egregious sin than the former?

28 posted on 01/24/2005 8:42:36 PM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (Have you visited http://blog.c-pol.com?)
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To: alessandrofiaschi

Before you can abandon a ship, you must be on it. Otherwise you are all wet before you even start.


29 posted on 01/24/2005 9:03:38 PM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: alessandrofiaschi

Once again, Nader's waaay off.


30 posted on 01/24/2005 9:05:27 PM PST by uncitizen
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