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What did Adolf Hitler think about Christianity?
Hitler's Table Talk 1941- 1944 His Private Conversations | 1953 | Quotes by Adolf Hitler

Posted on 01/24/2005 3:13:55 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew." - 11th-12th July, 1941

"Christianity is the worst of the regressions that mankind can ever have undergone, and it's the Jew who, thanks to this diabolic invention, has thrown him back 15 centuries."

"Pure Christianity— the Christianity of the catacombs— is concerned with translating the Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics." - 14th December, 1941

"Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. To-day, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday, the instigator was Saul: the instigator to-day, Mardochai. Saul has changed into St. Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea." - 21st October, 1941

"I'm sure that Nero didn't set fire to Rome. It was the Christian-Bolsheviks who did that, just as the Commune set fire to Paris in 1871 and the Communists set fire to the Reichstag in 1932." - 25th October, 1941

""It was Christianity that brought about the fall of Rome – not the Germans or the Huns." – 27th Jan 1942

"As soon as the idea was introduced that all men were equal before God, that world was bound to collapse." 26th February, 1942

"By means of the struggle, the elites are continually renewed. The law of selection justifies this incessant struggle, by allowing the survival of the fittest. Christianity is rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of failure." - 10th October, 1941

"It is deplorable that the Bible should have been translated into German, and that the whole of the German Folk should have thus become exposed to the whole of this Jewish mumbo jumbo… As a sane German, one is flabbergasted to think that German human beings could have let themselves be brought to such a pass by Jewish filth and priestly twaddle, that they were little different from the howling dervish of the Turks and the negroes, at whom we laugh so scornfully. It angers one to think that, while in other parts of the globe religious teaching like that of Confucius, Buddha and Mohammed offers an undeniably broad basis for the religious-minded, Germans should have been duped by a theological exposition devoid of all honest depth." - 5th June, 1942

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble. All that's left is to prove that in nature there is no frontier between the organic and the inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light but worlds, perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity." - 14th October, 1941

"I shall never believe that what is founded on lies can endure for ever. I believe in truth. I'm sure that, in the long run, truth must be victorious. It's probable that, as regards religion, we are about to enter an era of tolerance. Everybody will be allowed to seek his own salvation in the way that suits him best. The ancient world knew this climate of tolerance. Nobody took to proselytising." 27th February, 1942

"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity. Christianity is a prototype of Bolshevism: the mobilisation by the Jew of the masses of slaves with the object of undermining society." - 19th October, 1941

"The man who lives in communion with nature necessarily finds himself in opposition to the Churches. And that's why they're heading for ruin - for science is bound to win."

"Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity. It will last another hundred years, two hundred years perhaps. My regret will have been that I couldn't, like whoever the prophet was, behold the promised land from afar. We are entering into a conception of the world that will be a sunny era, an era of tolerance. Man must be put in a position to develop freely the talents that God has given him." 27th February, 1942

"I don't interfere in matters of belief. Therefore I can't allow churchmen to interfere with temporal affairs. The organised lie must be smashed. The State must remain the absolute master." 13th December, 1941

"The American statesmen, by subjecting the Church to the same regulations governing all other associations and institutions, have limited its field of activity to reasonable proportions; and, as the State does not contribute from State Funds one single cent to the church, the whole clergy cringes and sings hymns in praise of Government. This is not to be wondered at! The parson, like everyone else, has got to live; what he makes out of the public offertory doesn't amount to much, and so he is more or less dependent on State charity. As he has no legal claim whatever on the State, he therefore takes very good care that his demeanour is always pleasing in the eyes of the State and therefore deserving of the crumbs it cares to toss to him." - 4th July, 1942

"The development of relations between State and Church affords a very instructive example of how the carelessness of a single statesman can have after-effects which last for centuries. When Charlemagne was kneeling at prayer in St. Peter's, Rome, at Christmas in the year 8oo, the Pope, giving him no time to work out the possible effects of so symbolic an action, suddenly bent down and presto! popped a golden crown on his head! By permitting it, the Emperor delivered himself and his successors into the hands of a power which subjected the German Government and the German people to five hundred years of martyrdom." - 4th July, 1942

"Here is a lesson we would do well to learn: if we do not complete the conquest of the East utterly and irrevocably, each successive generation will have a war on its hand, to a greater or lesser degree. Even stupid races can accomplish something, given good leadership. Genghiz Khan’s genius for organisation was something quite unique. Only in the Roman Empire and in Spain under Arab domination has culture been a potent factor. Under the latter, the standard of civilisation achieved was wholly admirable; to Spain flocked the greatest scientists, thinkers, astronomers and mathematicians of the world, and side by side there flourished a spirit of sweet human tolerance and a sense of the purest chivalry. Then with the advent of Christianity, came the barbarians. The chivalry of the Castilians had been inherited by the Arabs. Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers – already, you see, the world had fallen into the hands of the Jews – so gutless a thing was Christianity! – then we should in all probability have been converted to mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies heroism and which opens the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so." – 28th August 1942

"I can imagine people being enthusiastic about the paradise of Mahomet, but as for the insipid paradise of the Christians! In your lifetime, you used to hear the music of Richard Wagner. After your death, it will be nothing but hallelujahs, the waving of palms, children of an age for the feeding-bottle, and hoary old men. The man of the isles pays homage to the forces of nature. But Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery. A negro with his taboos is crushingly superior to the human being who seriously believes in Transubstantiation." - 13th December, 1941

"The fact that the Japanese have retained their political philosophy, which is one of the essential reasons for their success, is due to their having been saved in time from the views of Christianity. Just as in Islam, there is no terrorism in the Japanese State religion, but, on the contrary, a promise of happiness. This terrorism in religion is , to put it briefly, of a Jewish dogma, which Christianity has universalized and whose effect is to sow trouble and confusion in men’s minds." – 4th April, 1942


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"You see, its been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity. why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?" – Hitler Quoted by Albert Speer, Inside the Third Reich, pg. 115.
1 posted on 01/24/2005 3:13:56 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Well, so much for that "Hitler was an altar boy, so Catholicism and Christianity must have been responsible for the Holocaust", garbage.


2 posted on 01/24/2005 3:15:37 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I am going to print this one out...thx, great post.


3 posted on 01/24/2005 3:17:55 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies

The Mohammedan religion too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity

Ouch..... that one has got to hurt


4 posted on 01/24/2005 3:20:50 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Hitler was a insane, pathological killer and tyrant. He was also shrewd.

If alive today, there is no doubt he would have added significantly to his Axis by allying himself with the Radical Islamics and their terrorist ways. At heart...and clearly evidenced by his own actions and programs...it is exactly what he was.

5 posted on 01/24/2005 3:20:54 PM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I remember reading Cornelius Ryan"s book about the fall of Berlin. He mentioned that Gerneral Heinricci (unsure of the spelling) defied Hitler's direct orders and attended church.

The only thing which saved him was he was such a skilled defensive genius that they could not spare him.

6 posted on 01/24/2005 3:23:35 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Thanks. Much of this is new to me. Do you know if these were public or private statements?


7 posted on 01/24/2005 3:26:58 PM PST by keats5
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To: Tailgunner Joe
My regret will have been that I couldn't, like whoever the prophet was, behold the promised land from afar.

Uh, that was Moses, O Fuehrer!

The irony is that, if you take out the references to the Jews and "negroes," a lot of this would work as leftist-secularist talking points.

8 posted on 01/24/2005 3:27:23 PM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (Hurl the invective!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Outstanding post. It is obvious that al Queda is Hitler in a filthy turban.


9 posted on 01/24/2005 3:28:27 PM PST by FormerACLUmember
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To: Tailgunner Joe
It's probable that, as regards religion, we are about to enter an era of tolerance. Everybody will be allowed to seek his own salvation in the way that suits him best.

This sounds familiar.

10 posted on 01/24/2005 3:29:27 PM PST by skeeter (OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
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To: SuziQ
Catholicism and Christianity must have been responsible for the Holocaust
I never heard that one. The nazis ended up going after almost everyone. In one concentration camp, a large section was set aside specifically for deadly medical experiments on Catholic Priests. I beleive they gave them all malaria
priests
Nazis were against all religion. They wanted to replace it with worship of the state.
11 posted on 01/24/2005 3:30:30 PM PST by bananarepublican23
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To: USF; Fred Nerks; ariamne; jan in Colorado; JudyinCanada; CHARLITE; broadsword; All

This one is a keeper!


12 posted on 01/24/2005 3:32:35 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Jeff Head

You forgot the Eviros.


13 posted on 01/24/2005 3:34:04 PM PST by marty60
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican
The irony is that, if you take out the references to the Jews and "negroes," a lot of this would work as leftist-secularist talking points.

You wouldn't even have to extract the references, just coat them in the usual euphemisms about "anti-Zionism", "social justice", "tolerance", "affirmative action", etc. etc.

14 posted on 01/24/2005 3:36:36 PM PST by Loyalist (Please visit this fine lady's blog: fiatmihi.blogspot.com)
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To: NYer; Salem; Alouette; SJackson
PING!
Click the Graphic

15 posted on 01/24/2005 3:36:36 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I have many times seen Nazis and Christians lumped together by various leftist groups.

I never thought it was true but am glad to see it is not only not true but a complete fabrication.

16 posted on 01/24/2005 3:36:59 PM PST by Shanda
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I've heard semiinary professor and pastor R.C. Sproul mention a book he found during
his academic studies in The Netherlands after WWII.

IIRC, the book contained a lot of Hitler's most personal/diary writings
and was titled something like "Hitler: Scourge of Europe".
Sproul says that Hitler even says (in so many words) that he had
"made a deal with the Devil" in his striving for supreme power.

I've looked for the book but not been able to find a copy/translation of it yet.


17 posted on 01/24/2005 3:38:53 PM PST by VOA
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To: Shanda
Here is a post from nearly a year ago on the same issue: Nazi = Christian?

Gum

18 posted on 01/24/2005 3:39:54 PM PST by ChewedGum (aka King of Fools)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Christianity is the worst of the regressions that mankind can ever have undergone, and it's the Jew who, thanks to this diabolic invention, has thrown him back 15 centuries."

Yeah, right. Everyone knows it's.....BUSH'S FAULT!

Hitler had enough firing brain cells left in his head to realize that his agenda was diametrically opposed to Christianity. His twisted brain then decides that Christianity is the problem, not him. And of course he blames the Jews. If it wasn't so sick, I'd laugh.

19 posted on 01/24/2005 3:41:07 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl
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To: bananarepublican23

The accussation that Hitler and Germany were a huge Christian crusade is
a common saw uttered by certain groups.

That accussation simply reflects an "agenda" and/or deep ignorance in the speaker.

At the same time...I will understand some of the groups that suffered the most
during the war for having harsh feelings about "Christianity". The churches and
too many individual Christians folded and failed the moral tests of the time.
(I'm not being judgemental...I fear I might have also done the same
expedient, safe and very wrong things if I'd been in their shoes.)


20 posted on 01/24/2005 3:43:56 PM PST by VOA
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To: Tailgunner Joe

religious fundie nazi ping


21 posted on 01/24/2005 3:43:59 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots?

I didn't realize that the word faggot had been in use since the 30's-40's, does this mean the same thing as it does today?

22 posted on 01/24/2005 3:44:36 PM PST by Brett66 (W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1)
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To: ChewedGum
I read that, very illuminating.

Thanks for posting it.

23 posted on 01/24/2005 3:48:03 PM PST by Shanda
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To: Brett66

I'm pretty sure he (or the translator) means the sticks used to build a fire.


24 posted on 01/24/2005 3:51:23 PM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (Hurl the invective!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
In the beginning of the book of Revelations God says he would rather a person be "hot" or cold", but not lukewarm. From that it would appear that Hilter's views may have been less offensive in th eyes of God than say.... contemporary USA.
25 posted on 01/24/2005 3:54:38 PM PST by usa1776
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I thought Hitler was a conservative Republican who wrote the pro-life plank in the GOP platform.

Adolph Hilter was also college roomate to Ronald Reagan and mentored Newt Gingrich while at graduate school.

At least that what Democrats say.

(/sarc)


26 posted on 01/24/2005 3:57:21 PM PST by KidGlock (W-1)
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To: marty60
IMHO, most enviros are useful idiots. Like Stalin did with his useful idiots, Hitler used such groups, and then slaughtered them. He would do the same with today's enviros.

In fact, the tyrants of today, those who would erect a wholly socilistic, and then socio-fascist/marxist state on the ashes of our Constitutional Republic are using the enviros in just this manner now, IMHO...and if they ever reach their end game, I believe they will do the same as all other tyrants did and do with those they manipulate to help them attain complete power.

27 posted on 01/24/2005 3:58:10 PM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Great Post - Hitlers god was the Folk Blood -Arian Supremecy, blah, blah, blah.

Certainly no room for Jews or Slavs or Gypsies or Christians anyone else not included in his psychotic horizons.


28 posted on 01/24/2005 3:58:23 PM PST by blackminorcapullets ("My Plan is Simple - We Win, They Lose" President Ronald Reagan)
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To: Jeff Head

As usual, absolutely correct.


29 posted on 01/24/2005 4:02:03 PM PST by marty60
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To: VOA; Fred Nerks; USF; jan in Colorado; ariamne; JudyinCanada; broadsword; All
"made a deal with the Devil"

I have read extensively about Hitler and his henchmen (bios) and it is hard to argue with the idea that it was Hitler's intent to make such a deal.

If a person is spiritually inclined, they might ask how it is that an interesting young man with little apparent skill but towering ambition becomes an empire-building monster.

Hitler begs the question...where did his genius come from...it appeared later in life? Also, he knows things that, by his experience, education or reading, he should not know.

30 posted on 01/24/2005 4:02:31 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: bananarepublican23
They wanted to replace it with worship of the state.

I'm not totally positive about that.

Hitler, and the guys around him, had some strange bizzare relgious beliefs.

I'm not sure how to describe it accuratly, Nordic? Pagan?

Hitler also had strong interests in the occult, but the Viking, relgious thing, his people and him had, is still, something of note.

Was it a hobby he had? Was he following a defunct religion? Was he playing mix and match? Why did the people he surround himself with have a fetish for the religion of the Vikes?

31 posted on 01/24/2005 4:07:50 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The Mohammedan religion too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity. why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"

I've heard this before.

Hitler was the worst thing to happen to Germany. His soldiers fought hard for their country under extreme circumstances and this is what he thought of them. His arrogance and madness ruined what was a fine country though many of its own people share responsibility in believing in this lunatic.

32 posted on 01/24/2005 4:09:55 PM PST by Missouri
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To: Dark Skies; Fiddlstix
Thanks for the ping, D.S.

The Arab/Muslim Nazi Connection

PS.. thanks Fiddlstix.

33 posted on 01/24/2005 4:10:19 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: Dark Skies
Hitler begs the question...where did his genius come from...it appeared later in life?
Also, he knows things that, by his experience, education or reading, he should not know.


Here's my (VOA's) inexpert speculation on that.
Hitler apparently was a fairly avid reader, so I suspect that even with
an "above average" (not genius), he picked up on a lot of things the average
German either didn't have time or desire to grasp.
Plus, with some idle time on his hands during prison and being sponsored by
some powerful people, he probably got exposed to some of the inner workings
of Germany's "power elite".

That sort of background, combined with maybe a gift at speech-making
(crowd-control), manipulation (carrot and sticks for subordinates) and
the mess that Germany was after WWI and Weimar...
a fairly average, but determined fellow could go a long way!

(there was a good article last year in The Atlantic Monthly titled something
like "Hitler's Secret Library" that shows his wide choices in reading.)
34 posted on 01/24/2005 4:14:23 PM PST by VOA
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To: VOA
Good post...but when you read of the response to his speeches and his power over the crowd...and...well you know the rest.

That kind of stuff cannot be learned by reading. It is innate and, well...

35 posted on 01/24/2005 4:16:57 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"I am uncomfortable with this Jewish ritual"

Raiders of the Lost Ark
36 posted on 01/24/2005 4:19:00 PM PST by RetroWarrior ('I will guard my post from flank to flank and take no 'crap' from any rank')
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Well!

Let there be no doubt!


37 posted on 01/24/2005 4:19:50 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Dark Skies
That kind of stuff cannot be learned by reading. It is innate and, well...

The Nazis could have been Jim Morrison and The Doors.
Only the Nazis had more style sensiblity with their Hugo Boss outfits.
38 posted on 01/24/2005 4:19:56 PM PST by VOA
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To: Dark Skies

Hitler's Table Talk is next on my reading list. He talked for hours at a stretch, thought so highly of his own ramblings he had every word written down by various secretaries, he would keep his audience awake until the early hours of the am, most of them bored out of their minds, fighting the need for sleep. Herr Hitler didn't need sleep, he had a 'doctor' who injected him regularly with 'vitamins' - probably amphetamines. My guess is something like Dexidrene. An invitation to the Berghof was to many, nothing else but an endurance test.


39 posted on 01/24/2005 4:21:13 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. free pdf. Click Fred Nerks for link.)
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To: keats5
These quotes are all from Hitler's private conversations as recorded by his secretaries. Albert Speer corroborated many of these statements in his memoirs.

The Cross vs. the Swastika

40 posted on 01/24/2005 4:23:51 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Missouri

When it became apparent that Germany would not win, Hitler ordered the destruction of everything (powerplants, livestock, factories, hospitals, etc) that could sustain the German people after the war ended. He "reasoned" that if the Germans could not attain victory for him, then they had no reason to go on living.

Luckily for the Germans, by that time Hitler was little more than a delusional manic, raving in his Berlin bunker. Albert Speer made sure that these mad directives were never carried out.


41 posted on 01/24/2005 4:26:06 PM PST by rbg81
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To: SuziQ
In "Hitler's Table Talk", Hitler put forth his belief that Christ was the child of a Roman Centurion and a Jewish harlot. Hitler was NO Christian, although like most of the Nazi Leadership (Goebbels, Himmler, Heydrich), he was born a Catholic. He was probably an atheist. Most of the "weird" religious beliefs and occultism came from the Thule Society via Rudolf Hess and Heinrich Himmler.
42 posted on 01/24/2005 4:26:22 PM PST by PzLdr
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To: Tailgunner Joe
 
      
    You'll never see a Hollywood movie about the guy on the right...a rare clip from the "The Century of Wafare" series,

43 posted on 01/24/2005 4:27:24 PM PST by wolficatZ (Never forget the grim final battles our brave US soldiers and Allies fought in 1945 - 60 years ago)
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To: Sonny M

"Hitler, and the guys around him, had some strange bizzare relgious beliefs.

I'm not sure how to describe it accuratly, Nordic? Pagan?"

Here's a short description of a speciall on Himmler's obsession in quest of
The Holy Grail and other historical artifacts.
I've only seen the show once on a PBS affiliate. It was intriguing to see how
many otherwise respectable German archeologists went along with
Himmler's nutty plans for expeditions.

http://www.weta.org/tv/archive/indexfull.php?episode=0&series=8910


44 posted on 01/24/2005 4:29:13 PM PST by VOA
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To: Fred Nerks
Herr Hitler didn't need sleep, he had a 'doctor' who injected him regularly with 'vitamins' - probably amphetamines.

Makes sense...but, of course, he was also fanatical about what he put into his body (about his diet...no meat, no alcohol). I would say that he demonstrated all the aspects of bi-polar--but he didn't go so high as to become manic (though he was enduringly psychotic) and didn't drop so low as to need withdrawal or hospitalization.

Of course, there is one other possibility.

45 posted on 01/24/2005 4:31:00 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: USF
Interesting site there. Here's a good page from it.

The Church's Struggle with the Third Reich - "Furthermore, there cannot be any help in the people's struggles in the long run from a moral doctrine which preaches love of the enemy, orders one to turn the left cheek when the right has been struck, etc." - Adolf Hitler

46 posted on 01/24/2005 4:33:19 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: VOA

Hitler was NOT average. He was a genius, but an evil flawed one. The historical tragedy is that he was at the right place at the right time to apply his talents and rise to power. In another era, he would have been consigned to organizing a militia in some rural hinterland. Many great men realize their potential relatively late (W is one example). His early victories proved to be his downfall--convinced he was also a military genius, he tried to run the war himself, and overruled the counsel of his Generals.


47 posted on 01/24/2005 4:33:38 PM PST by rbg81
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Excellent work.


48 posted on 01/24/2005 4:35:41 PM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: VOA
Only the Nazis had more style sensiblity with their Hugo Boss outfits.

Hitler also had a phenomenal sense of style which also raises a host of questions...his painting didn't expose much flair...but his designs for uniforms and photographs and visual impact (parades and marches) and music on his adoring public was...eerie.

49 posted on 01/24/2005 4:37:29 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: rbg81
He "reasoned" that if the Germans could not attain victory for him, then they had no reason to go on living.

Probably what it came down to that "its all about me". He was no Christian and it could be said not even a patriotic German. I know he was a war hero in WW1 but something happened to him.

The 2nd Fuhrer was much more of a patriotic German. Admiral Karl Donitz in one week of power move thousands of Germans to the western part of Germany to escape the Russians. No one has ever figured out why Hitler appointed Donitz as his replacement.

Albert Spears also did right at the end though he wasn't no saint by any means.

50 posted on 01/24/2005 4:38:48 PM PST by Missouri
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