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Homeland Security Agents Force Plane to Land in San Antonio
WOAI ^ | 1/24/2005 | ElephantinTexas

Posted on 01/24/2005 10:12:18 PM PST by ElephantinTexas

This is my first post so I hope I got it right.

This is breaking here in San Anonio. A single engine plane has been forced down at Stenson Field south of San Antonio. Homeland Security, DPS and SAPD are on the scene. They are waiting for a Chinese tranlator but they have Chinese illegals in custody and said that the pilot was someone Homeland Security has been looking for.

I'll post more as it comes available.


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To: ElephantinTexas

LOL

Gee..... all of this on my first post to Free Republic.
<<<<<<<,

OK, now you have set your standard, so go for it, what will you find for an encore?

Remember it must top this one, I can hardly wait for the
tenth or 100'th, we will be known world wide.

Joking and celebrating with you, for a good job.


301 posted on 01/27/2005 12:25:29 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: ElephantinTexas

Thanks for the link. There are two Cessna 172Ns (not Ms) on the list of planes owned by Alpha Tango. So either the second plane wasn't owned by Alpha Tango or the Austin media made a mistake (which would be very easy to make - Ms and Ns soundand look alike). The tail number of the Austin plane wasn't included in the linked article. And I didn't see a picture of the actual captured Austin plane in the Austin TV station's report.

You're right that I missed the earlier post about Alyce Taylor. The San Antonio Express-News needs to change the sentence of their filler paragraph that includes the registration information to reflect who she is. There's no mystery. And - BTW - Ms. Taylor, since we know you're reading "the Internet", nothing I've posted about you is factually inaccurate. In fact, I haven't arrived at any conclusion regarding whether you or your husband are knowingly involved in an illegal immigrant smuggling ring. I'm just posting the facts.


302 posted on 01/27/2005 12:26:03 AM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc

hehehe....... Paging Mrs. Hameed.... Paging Mrs. Hameed! Your flight is ready to board.

I'm still trying to find this Lebanese website I keep hearing about where our two lovely weasels threatend the CIA.

I'm still laughing at the conservative in nyc.......

I'll see if I can find a pic of the Austin plane. They showed it tonight in a hanger but I couldn't get the number.


303 posted on 01/27/2005 12:45:09 AM PST by ElephantinTexas (Republican ladies are the fairest of them all!)
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To: ElephantinTexas
Thanks for the update elephant and congratulations on the thread!

I was checking to see if thi news made it down under to no avail but I did find this article from the Houston Chronicle which explains why they were tracking the plane carrying the illegal immigrants.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3008039
304 posted on 01/27/2005 12:55:36 AM PST by Blue Eyed Aussie (An elephant never forgets ;-))
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To: ElephantinTexas

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/

Excerpt from:

Aircraft Owner Operates Flight School That Trained One or More Arab Terrorists

"...Further research found that one notable flight student of the ALPHA-TANGO Flying School was none other than Abdul Hakim Murad, who was convicted several years ago of a plot to crash a suicide plane into CIA headquarters. Murad was also named as a co-conspirator of 1993 World Trade Center bombing with Ramzi Yousef. A report in the San Antonio Express-News following the 9/11 attacks states that flight school owner Afzal Hameed contacted the FBI as he believed that some of the 9/11 hijackers might have received flight training at his school."


305 posted on 01/27/2005 1:06:18 AM PST by Catholic54321
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To: ElephantinTexas
Well the Elephant still has His Boots on the Ground if anybody stills cares....lol

Oh, yes. Thank ye for the updates! :^D


306 posted on 01/27/2005 2:38:24 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: El Gato
Still I'd arm it with at least air launched stingers, just so the pilot could stand off a bit. Guns too of course, at least .50 cals, maybe a 20mm gatling type cannon.

Off topic somewhat, but, I saw that the Navy wants this, the MH-60S helicopter, a multi-mission platform the Navy will use to replace the HH-60H Seahawk helicopters.

Armed Helicopter Weapons System (AHWS) {pics @ link}

Weapon capabilities include eight hellfire missiles, carried on external weapon system wings and the AN/AAS-44C forward looking infrared system. Additionally, the mission kit will give the crew capability to fire FN-Herstal’s laser-sighted 7.62 mm guns from the port and starboard cabin windows and laser-sighted GAU-21, 0.50 caliber guns from the port and starboard cabin doors.

307 posted on 01/27/2005 3:10:53 AM PST by csvset
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To: ElephantinTexas

I can guarantee that if they go before a judge here in Travis county very little will happen. This county is sooooooo liberal they probably will welcome any illegals and the pot they bring.


308 posted on 01/27/2005 3:26:47 AM PST by Claytay
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To: ElephantinTexas

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/

Feds Official Report: "China Immigrants Had No Terror Link"

However...

# Aircraft Owner Operates Flight School That Trained One or More Arab Terrorists

# Mexican Pilot Expected to be Charged with Smuggling Illegal Aliens

25 January 2005; 8:15 PM EDT: While the FBI publicly asserts that the possible terrorist plot involving Chinese nationals against Boston last week was a false alarm, a small plane carrying four illegal Chinese immigrants and a pilot identified as a Mexican national landed at Stinson Municipal Airport in San Antonio Monday night. After landing, the airfield was surrounded by FBI and DHS officials. The four passengers - two women and two men carrying Chinese passports were taken into custody along with the Mexican pilot. The single-engine plane was intercepted after flying 125 miles from Eagle Pass, Texas to Stinson Airfield. The Mexican pilot is expected to be charged with smuggling illegal aliens, according to Alonzo Pena, special agent in charge of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement office in San Antonio.

The 1985 single engine Cessna is owned by Hameed Afzal, 48 and his wife, Alyce S. Taylor, 70 of San Antonio, Texas. Both Afzal and Taylor operate the ALPHA-TANGO Flying School, 9623 W. Terminal, San Antonio, Texas 78126. The 2003 San Antonio Municipal Directory lists Hameed Afzal as the President and Alyce S. Taylor as the Co-owner and instructor of the flight school. Their website advertises special consideration for potential Saudi pilots, and instructions on obtaining student visas.

Interesting Circumstances

News reports indicated that the plane that was carrying the Chinese passengers was last registered in 1999, carrying a three-year registration; no further registration records were found according to the FAA, despite renewal notices sent to Afzal. FAA records identify the plane as a 180 Horse Power, 1985 Lycoming/0-320 SERIES with the of N98873. Research by Northeast Intelligence Network analysts found an accident report associated with that plane dated August 21, 2000 that caused structural damage to the tail and horizontal stabilizer. According to the FAA report, the pilot held a valid Mexican private pilot certificate at the time of the accident.

Further research found that one notable flight student of the ALPHA-TANGO Flying School was none other than Abdul Hakim Murad, who was convicted several years ago of a plot to crash a suicide plane into CIA headquarters. Murad was also named as a co-conspirator of 1993 World Trade Center bombing with Ramzi Yousef. A report in the San Antonio Express-News following the 9/11 attacks states that flight school owner Afzal Hameed contacted the FBI as he believed that some of the 9/11 hijackers might have received flight training at his school.

By Douglas J. Hagmann


309 posted on 01/27/2005 8:28:54 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: ElephantinTexas

The updates are appreciated.


310 posted on 01/27/2005 8:50:47 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

bump/ping

Terrorist clothing found in Texas.


http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42579


311 posted on 01/27/2005 8:58:11 AM PST by WestCoastGal (Daytona 500 ~~ 26 more days!!!)
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To: WestCoastGal

Great find, WestCoastGal. Hebbronville, hmmmmmmmm? Another deep south Texas city close to the border and in MY backyard. I'm starting to get a little pis&ed off.

Well there wasn't much news today here but I've found some interesting reads on our little buddy, Afzal Hammed that I'll put up here soon.

This thread and FR mentions are really getting around. Here's one at The Command Post.

http://www.command-post.org/nk/2_archives/018659.html


312 posted on 01/27/2005 5:45:00 PM PST by ElephantinTexas (Republican ladies are the fairest of them all!)
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To: dixiechick2000; Blue Eyed Aussie; trubluolyguy; Brad's Gramma; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Flyer; ...

Afzal Hameed and FR mention 'ping'


313 posted on 01/27/2005 5:48:32 PM PST by ElephantinTexas (Republican ladies are the fairest of them all!)
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To: trubluolyguy

This thread made it above Michelle Malkins at the Scriptorium and HEY.. I thought there was some kind of "picture rule' in effect. Here's the link-

http://rightwingerz.com/


314 posted on 01/27/2005 5:56:47 PM PST by ElephantinTexas (Republican ladies are the fairest of them all!)
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To: ElephantinTexas

Did you see the link on the right side of the page for kilts for sale? Too funny!!!


315 posted on 01/27/2005 5:56:53 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Proud Patriots dot ORG!!! Operation Valentine's Day!!)
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To: ElephantinTexas

We live in central Texas and I was saying the other day that since Arizona and California are getting 'somewhat' tougher on border crossers that there will be more than the usual lot coming in through Texas. (Arizona citizens are taking matters into their own hands)

You did a great job on this thread, welcome to a very addictive website!!

Ping me if you can on anything new, my comments page runs quickly and I sometimes forget to go back through it.


316 posted on 01/27/2005 5:57:38 PM PST by WestCoastGal (Daytona 500 ~~ 25 more days!!! 17 days to the Shootout ~~ WooHoo)
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To: ElephantinTexas

bump!


317 posted on 01/27/2005 6:06:05 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: conservative in nyc

Here's a bit of an update of the Delaware co. that's been listed for Hameed's plane from CNN. Scroll down to the last 3 paragraphs.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/01/25/plane.held.ap/


318 posted on 01/27/2005 6:53:54 PM PST by ElephantinTexas (Republican ladies are the fairest of them all!)
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To: conservative in nyc

More Delaware info-

Not sure if or how this connects, but here's a rather disturbing article with another plane tied to 30 Old Rudnick Lane Dover, DI. 19901

http://www.cutlass-bay.com/Pictures.html


319 posted on 01/27/2005 7:04:53 PM PST by ElephantinTexas (Republican ladies are the fairest of them all!)
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To: ElephantinTexas

BTTT.


320 posted on 01/27/2005 7:21:49 PM PST by gueroloco
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To: WestCoastGal

On post #314, at the Scriptorium, you need to scroll down to 1/25/2005 for the article and those links.

Scroll down to comment #3 for some more links to our Pakistani buddy Hameed. I haven't checked the links yet I'm watching the Spurs game but maybe somebody can give us a head's up.

http://rantburg.com/poparticle.asp?ID=54583&D=1/25/2005


321 posted on 01/27/2005 7:33:49 PM PST by ElephantinTexas (Republican ladies are the fairest of them all!)
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To: ElephantinTexas

I wouldn't read much into the Delaware registration or address. A lot of planes are registered there relative to the state's population For example, 105 out of the 1600 or so Cessna 172Ps are registered in Delaware. Only 111 Cessna 172Ps are registered in our most populous state -- California.

There's a simple explanation for it --- Delaware has no state sales tax and is very reluctant to otherwise tax nonresidents. They are happy enough collecting registration fees. I wish New York were more like Delaware in that respect.


322 posted on 01/27/2005 7:53:42 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc
Well I'll be darned! If you're from Saudi Arabia or Mexico, You can one-stop shop for an apartment and a student Visa right here in San Antonio! Maybe this is how our pilot, Christian Delgado-Gomez, got his even tho' he's still in the US and his visa has EXPIRED!! Check out all of the links on the sidebar and maybe some of our aviation experts can weigh in. CLICK HERE
323 posted on 01/27/2005 9:06:51 PM PST by ElephantinTexas (Republican ladies are the fairest of them all!)
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To: ElephantinTexas

I'm not an aviation expert, but I was very
happy to see this concerning Saudi Arabia.


"You will have to take the I20 to the the U.S. Embassy or Consulate nearest to you to apply for the Student Visa. You will also need to bring your Passport, Financial Statements, and proper identification. This is not an automatic process, so plan to present yourself favorably. If your Student Visa is denied the $1,000 deposit will be refunded."


Prior to 9/11, a Saudi travel agent could
obtain a visa for a client. It's nice to see
that is no longer true.

Thank you for your tireless efforts on this
thread. You have done a great job. I see
that I have a lot of catching up to do. ;o)

Thank you for the pings.





324 posted on 01/27/2005 9:40:01 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (President Bush is a mensch in cowboy boots.)
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To: ElephantinTexas

Thanks for the updates.


325 posted on 01/27/2005 10:25:21 PM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a weapon of mass disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: conservative in nyc

Looks like some more interesting info on our little buddy Hameed. I know that Gujrat is in Pakistan but all of the aviation info is Greek to me. Here's the link-
http://www.oec.gov.pk/CV.asp?CVID=3540&PID=P0059&SkillLevel=&UserID=


326 posted on 01/28/2005 12:00:03 AM PST by ElephantinTexas (Republican ladies are the fairest of them all!)
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To: ElephantinTexas
I think that's just his Pakistani pilots certificate, if it's the same Hammeed Afzal. Sounds like he worked as an airplane mechanic when he did his service in the Pakistani Air Force (I'm assuming that's what PAF means). I say "if" it's the same Hameed Afzal because the date of birth listed on that form is 4/7/63, which would have made him only 17 when Texas records show a marriage to Alyce Taylor. I doubt he would have graduated from aeronautical school by 17.

I don't think we have any proof that Hameed Afzal or his wife have done anything nefarious here. All we know is that they own a flight school and rented their plane to someone involved in smuggling illegal Chinese immigrants. The flight school was one of four that a convicted terrorist used to learn to fly. But if merely renting a mode of transportation to a drug trafficker or coyote or teaching a criminal to move a vehicle were a crime, Hertz, Avis and every driving school in the country would long be out of business. Hameed seems to be cooperating with the FBI and media. He hasn't been arrested or charged with anything.

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. And I'm sure the FBI is constantly monitoring his and other flight schools for suspicious activity, anyway.
327 posted on 01/28/2005 12:20:44 AM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: ElephantinTexas

But the Chinese are our friends.. I mean we get cheap VCRs from them and everything.

Our government encourages the transport of American $$ and technology there with our tax dollars... Surely this MUST be an error.


328 posted on 01/28/2005 9:07:52 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: ElephantinTexas

"This is my first post so I hope I got it right."

As a rule, "posts" are planted much deeper in south Texas, the dirt is tamped firmer and the staples are hammered in until the barbed wire is tight enough that the wind hums, "On the road again" blowing over it,. But all in all it isn't a bad first post.

Oops-wrong thread- I just came over from Friday Silliness.


329 posted on 01/28/2005 9:20:16 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Shut up Kerry! Your ignorance is showing.)
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To: ElephantinTexas; Cindy; Calpernia; Velveeta; Revel; WestCoastGal; jerseygirl; concretebob

This was just posted on the Threat Matrix thread.


http://www.team4news.com/Global/story.asp?S=2873019&nav=0w0vVk2q

McALLEN

"Federal Agents on the Border on Alert"
Reported by Marco Gonzalez

ARTICLE SNIPPET: "JANUARY 28, 2005 - All federal law enforcement
agents along the border are on high alert. Sources say the Mexican
Gulf Cartel is targeting two FBI agents for execution.

Action 4 News has learned about an internal fax that was sent out by
the FBI's San Antonio division.

It warns local agents to take precautions because Mexican drug lords
could be hunting them down.

The alert went out Friday warning lawmen of the Gulf Cartel's alleged
intentions to kidnap two FBI agents and take them across the border
to be executed."


4,802 posted on 01/29/2005 12:00:43 AM PST by Cindy
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Thanks to Cindy for posting it.


330 posted on 01/29/2005 12:27:00 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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