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Company Fires All Employees Who Smoke
WRAL.com ^ | 01-25-05 | WestVirginiaRebel

Posted on 01/25/2005 8:59:47 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel

LANSING, Mich.-Four employees of a health care company have been fired for refusing to take a test to determine whether they smoke cigarettes.

Weyco Inc., a health benefits administrator based in Okemos, Mich., adopted a policy Jan. 1 that allows employees to be fired if they smoke, even if the smoking happens after business hours at home.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: 100000postsalready; cancer; emphysema; employmentatwill; freedomofcontract; johnnycarsondead; pufflist; smokers; smokersrights; stench
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To: Cold Heat

Pretty much negating the assertion that someone "second-hand smokes two packs a day"


41 posted on 01/25/2005 9:18:12 AM PST by jjmcgo
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To: theDentist
If the Constitution "allows" you to abort a baby becuase of your right to privacy, it should certainly allow you to smoke a legal product on your own time off corporate property. Right?

The Constitution does not protect you from actions by a private party. Your employer can fire you for having an abortion, for example.

42 posted on 01/25/2005 9:18:44 AM PST by Modernman (What is moral is what you feel good after. - Ernest Hemingway)
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To: k2blader

"It's a private company. There is nothing wrong with this."

I agree completely - and I'm a smoker.

I think any private company should be able to hire/fire anyone of its choosing for any reason it chooses. Again, it is a PRIVATE company.


43 posted on 01/25/2005 9:18:44 AM PST by NCPAC ("I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Mears

A private company should be able to fire or refuse to hire whomever it wants.

From my viewpoint it would make a lot of sense to refuse to hire a person with AIDS. And I recall a case involving the firing of an obese person which also made sense.

Turning the question around: If a private company is *not* allowed to fire whomever it wants, where does it end?


44 posted on 01/25/2005 9:19:46 AM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Phantom Lord

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.


45 posted on 01/25/2005 9:20:12 AM PST by jjmcgo
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
I hate cigarettes. I've never smoked. I hate being around people who do.

But if you just substitute "drinking" or "unprotected sex" or any of a dozen different vices for "smoking" here, well, you can see where this is heading. It is a very dangerous direction.

Do we really want to have "insurance police" checking to see if you made it to the gym yesterday?

46 posted on 01/25/2005 9:21:01 AM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news (there is no c in Amtrak and no truth in MSM news))
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To: RetiredArmy

Fire all the old people too. Better yet, let's just shoot'em that way they can't hire a lawyer.


47 posted on 01/25/2005 9:21:56 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Modernman

If AIDS was acquired by risky behaviour that is a "voluntary activity".They are covered by the ADA because of the strong,liberal lobbyists.

Eating too much is a voluntary activity,as is smoking and drinking.If they are "addictive" behaviours they should be covered by the ADA too.

The ADA is a crock----one of the most abused laws ever.


48 posted on 01/25/2005 9:22:07 AM PST by Mears
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
I guess my issue is that I work for my employer 40 hours a week.  The rest of the time is mine and I can do anything I want durring that time so long as it doesn't affect or disrupt my workplace.
 
Owl_Eagle

"You know, I'm going to start thanking
the woman who cleans the restroom in
the building I work in.  I'm going to start
thinking of her as a human being"

-Hillary Clinton
(Yes, she really said that
Peggy Noonan
The Case Against Hillary Clinton, pg 55)

49 posted on 01/25/2005 9:22:07 AM PST by South Hawthorne ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace;" –Thomas Paine)
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To: Squantos

I prefer a little of Emerald's Essence, with Kosher Salt and fresh ground pepper on the legs while sauteeing them in a cast iron skillet on medium heat. Of course you add the seasonings to flour, dip the frog legs in buttermilk first, and then in the seasoned flour and then into the cast iron skillet.


50 posted on 01/25/2005 9:22:37 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( The MSM has been a weapon of mass disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: theDentist

That is extreme. In which case, if I was a smoker and didn't want to give it up, I would leave the company.

Employees can't expect their places of employment to be democracies. Well, unless they're liberals.


51 posted on 01/25/2005 9:22:46 AM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

It is a somewhat free country. This company is entitled to fire all smokers or hire only smokers or anything in between.

I will say, a more fair solution would be to require the smokers to pay a higher health premium instead or to pay them less for whatever the smoking costs the employer.


52 posted on 01/25/2005 9:23:21 AM PST by staytrue
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To: NCPAC
I agree completely - and I'm a smoker.

I knew there had to be folks like you out there! :-)

53 posted on 01/25/2005 9:25:14 AM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Would someone who lived with a smoker test positive ?


54 posted on 01/25/2005 9:25:59 AM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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To: ichabod1
Do you really believe anyone's healthcare costs are going to go down?

I believe it was a major factor in their decision to get those folks off the payrolls. Companies, as you know, pay a portion of their employee's health care premium. If you can say honestly, with a straight face, there are no smokers in your shop, the monthly healthcare premiums for that particular company would go down.

55 posted on 01/25/2005 9:27:30 AM PST by Tamar1973 (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats-- PJ O'Rourke)
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To: k2blader

I agree with you-a private company should be able to hire and fire anyone they want to,but,sadly,that isn't the case right now. Lawsuits,lawsuits,lawsuits for all sorts of so called "discriminatory" firings.

Can you imagine the outcry if a company only wanted to hire whites or fired all women because they wanted all men?

Because of many anti-discrimination laws these things aren't allowed but smokers have become the politically correct target.


56 posted on 01/25/2005 9:27:43 AM PST by Mears
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To: Tamar1973

True, but where does it end? When will employers start asking to see someone's private medical records to determine employability? I believe that private business is private, but then this private business is jumping over into a private individual's rights.


57 posted on 01/25/2005 9:28:26 AM PST by twigs
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To: RetiredArmy
"That "someone" has the right, as owner and money maker of said company, to set rules, regulations and policy for the employees he/she hires."

You're right, they do have that right. The key here is whether they made their smoking policy a condition for employment BEFORE they hired these individuals. If I take a job knowing the conditions for employment, and misrepresent myself, I can and should be fired after the fact.

If the employer, on the other hand, changes the rules for me after hiring me, the onus is on the employer to show that the change is for a reasonable cause.

For example, I hire you for a top position. You move your wife and kids at your expense, change schools, etc, buy a new house. After you settle in, I announce to you that as a condition for your further employment, you must provide your wife to me as a mistress two nights a week. Assume that this is in a state where sex is not illegal between unmarried adults. It sounds ridiculous, but the same rule making principles you state would apply, wouldn't they?

I am using my power as an employer over you to make you change your beliefs or lifestyle, after the fact of hiring you.
58 posted on 01/25/2005 9:29:19 AM PST by Dat Mon (will work for clever tagline)
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To: twigs

Yeah, I've got an idea. What if we took only blonde-haired, blue-eyed healthy males --

oh - wait - that was already tried.


59 posted on 01/25/2005 9:31:44 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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