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Company Fires All Employees Who Smoke
WRAL.com ^ | 01-25-05 | WestVirginiaRebel

Posted on 01/25/2005 8:59:47 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel

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There's a way for people to be one hundred per cent healthy, with no illness or disease.

It's called nonexistence.

1 posted on 01/25/2005 8:59:49 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel
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To: SheLion
You're going to love this one.
2 posted on 01/25/2005 9:02:21 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Dead.


3 posted on 01/25/2005 9:03:16 AM PST by RetiredArmy (The Democratic Party would make Uncle Joe Stalin Proud!)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

So,
What if this test gives a false reading because the person visits smoke filled environments, even if they don't smoke.
Also,
Do they count cigars or pipes as smoking?


4 posted on 01/25/2005 9:04:02 AM PST by mnehring (Fear leads to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to the DNC.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

It's a private company. There is nothing wrong with this.


5 posted on 01/25/2005 9:04:37 AM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
Yea but just try to prove to someone that you don't exist. I've never been able to pull it off.
6 posted on 01/25/2005 9:04:50 AM PST by Bacon Man (I DARE you to make less sense!)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Only slaves will submit to such tyranny ....


7 posted on 01/25/2005 9:04:51 AM PST by Lexington Green (Follow the money - Saddam to Rich to Clinton)
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To: mnehrling

Good point! I know a guy who second-hand smokes 2 packs a day...


8 posted on 01/25/2005 9:05:02 AM PST by odoso (Millions for charity, but not one penny for tribute!)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Hey, at least the company will be able to keep its healthcare costs down. Cancer, emphysema, etc are expensive diseases to treat.


9 posted on 01/25/2005 9:06:23 AM PST by Tamar1973 (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats-- PJ O'Rourke)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Let's see what happens when they fire the fat people who don't lose weight. No, wait, that will never happen. Nevermind.


10 posted on 01/25/2005 9:07:18 AM PST by SAR
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Great idea! Now they ought to go after those that engage in risky sex (gay men), those that are fat, those that engage in risky sports like mountain climbing, skiing, etc.


11 posted on 01/25/2005 9:08:07 AM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

"Company founder Howard Weyers has said the anti-smoking rule was designed to shield the firm from high health care costs. "I don't want to pay for the results of smoking," he said."

Imagine if he had used the same logic (high health care costs) to fire homosexuals. I wonder how much HIV/AIDS and other diseases, which affect homosexuals at higher rates than heterosexuals, increase the cost of health care.


12 posted on 01/25/2005 9:08:18 AM PST by MisterRepublican ("I must go. I must be elusive.")
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
But, you know, no matter how many people scream, kick and throw a fit, in the end only one thing matters. This company belongs to someone. That "someone" has the right, as owner and money maker of said company, to set rules, regulations and policy for the employees he/she hires. Of course, the law says you cannot discriminate, but it says because of race, color, religion, origin, etc. It says nothing about smoking, liking NASCAR, hating football, being a runner, playing poker, etc. So, if the owner determines that he does not want smokers on his payroll, it is his company and he can make those decisions. You may not like it, but you can go work somewhere else then. You have that choice, to work some where else. He has the right to expect lower medical costs, fewer health issues, etc., because he does not employ smokers. He can do that with his overweights also. Until that is the democrats get overweight officially listed as a "disease." Then he can't. But, since the democrats hate smoking and only like smoking because it has more victims, thus can sue the big tobacco companies for billions (their trial lawyer mafia that is), then they probably are going to get in a snit over it and some trial lawyer will represent these people in a class action suit and sue the company into bankruptcy.
13 posted on 01/25/2005 9:08:20 AM PST by RetiredArmy (The Democratic Party would make Uncle Joe Stalin Proud!)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Where's the ACLU on this? Where do we draw the line?? Smoking, drinking, eating? What next? Sex?


14 posted on 01/25/2005 9:08:32 AM PST by rockabyebaby (What goes around, comes around!)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

I think they should fire all people who are democrats. Or who support the ACLU. If they want to have smoke free employees there is nothing wrong with it. As long as others can hire and fire who they want as long as it is not race related.


15 posted on 01/25/2005 9:08:59 AM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: k2blader

It's a private company that would be brought before the courts if it fired an employee with AIDS.Is that okay with you?

It's a company that would be brought before the courts if it fired an obese employee. Is that okay with you?

Where does it end?


16 posted on 01/25/2005 9:09:37 AM PST by Mears
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
Smoke-nazis strike
17 posted on 01/25/2005 9:09:44 AM PST by eclectic (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: rockabyebaby
Where's the ACLU on this? Where do we draw the line?? Smoking, drinking, eating? What next? Sex?

An employer could legally fire you for smoking, drinking, eating fatty foods or even engaging in sex.

18 posted on 01/25/2005 9:09:54 AM PST by Modernman (What is moral is what you feel good after. - Ernest Hemingway)
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To: rockabyebaby

I thought sex on the job went out with Clinton


19 posted on 01/25/2005 9:10:19 AM PST by Grendel9
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To: Bacon Man
Yea but just try to prove to someone that you don't exist. I've never been able to pull it off.

Its even harder to prove you do exist to the DMV if you don't have a birth certificate.

20 posted on 01/25/2005 9:10:22 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: odoso
The test would not likely show second hand smoke.

It is a simple gas analysis (blow test) that measures exhaled CO gas that only a smoker or a person with a bad furnace would have.:-)

21 posted on 01/25/2005 9:10:33 AM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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To: k2blader

This is rich.

When are the CALOIRE tests for Hooters waitresses, or "bad breath" tests for bank tellers, or "Big Mac" tests for McDonalds employees.

What about "Mexican Food" test for people in the service industry who don't wish their employees to take the chance of being 'gassy'?


22 posted on 01/25/2005 9:10:44 AM PST by FreedomNeocon (2)
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To: SAR

They can always resolve this another way, drop health care completely, or raise employee contributions as soon as you make a claim. Opps, they already do this too.

The solution of course does depend on whether the company has any problem hiring and retaining good employees. I would suspect that a better solution would have been to have smokers pay a higher rate out of pocket, but I guess they can do what they want.


24 posted on 01/25/2005 9:11:15 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
They weren't fired for smoking.

They were fired for refusing to test for smoking.

An important distinction, IMO.

25 posted on 01/25/2005 9:11:16 AM PST by DCPatriot (I don't do politically correct very well either.)
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To: Travis McGee; Jeff Head; Grampa Dave

Frog legs'll be ready in a while ! Ya'll want salt on em too ?


26 posted on 01/25/2005 9:11:58 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Mears
It's a private company that would be brought before the courts if it fired an employee with AIDS.Is that okay with you?

Illnesses like AIDS are protected by the ADA. Voluntary activities, such as smoking, are not.

It's a company that would be brought before the courts if it fired an obese employee. Is that okay with you?

Depends on the state. There is no federal law protecting fat people. Most states allow you to fire someone for being fat, too.

27 posted on 01/25/2005 9:12:05 AM PST by Modernman (What is moral is what you feel good after. - Ernest Hemingway)
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To: SAR

24HR Fitness will fire you if you gain too much weight. Happened here in Houston anyway.


28 posted on 01/25/2005 9:12:28 AM PST by mlbford2 ("Never wrestle with a pig; you can't win, you just get filthy, and the pig loves it...")
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To: Baynative

a 15 minute cigarette?


29 posted on 01/25/2005 9:12:39 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: DCPatriot
They weren't fired for smoking.

They were fired for refusing to test for smoking.

An important distinction, IMO.

Not really in this case, as a positive test for smoking would have resulted in firing. They were gone either way.

30 posted on 01/25/2005 9:13:31 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Private companies ought to be able to do this with any sort of liability.

For that matter, I believe sexual orientation ought to be allowed to be discriminated against, along with political party preference and virtually any other criteria one could desire.

Why should the NAACP be required to have 60+ percent of their employees be white simply because whites make up a large amount of the population? Why should a church be required to hire homosexuals or pedophiles when they find that repulsive? If religion and race allow for discrimination, why not everything else that an employer might find undesirable?

Liberals love allowing people to make a "choice." Why not extend that to employers?


31 posted on 01/25/2005 9:13:34 AM PST by ScottM1968
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To: Tamar1973

Do you really believe anyone's healthcare costs are going to go down?


32 posted on 01/25/2005 9:13:42 AM PST by ichabod1 (The Spirit of the Lord Hath Left This Place)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
I have never smoked a cigarette in my life. I had a sibling die due to what is believed to be a smoking related illness. Still, I am no smoking Nazi.

I do not think that smokers should be suing tobacco companies, nor should local governments be dictating to restaurants and such smoking policies. If a company wants to eliminate smoking then that is their prerogative.
33 posted on 01/25/2005 9:13:45 AM PST by Radix (Free snow. All you can handle. You haul!)
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To: Modernman
There is no federal law protecting fat people.

I believe obesity is now protected by the ADA actually.

34 posted on 01/25/2005 9:14:09 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Why do I get the impression that the potential drop in health claims is going to be offset by a rise in costs in the legal department? Sometimes in life you gotta ask "(1) What am I trying to accomplish, and (2) does this action help me accomplish it?" Unless the answer to question one is "Get a whole lot of publicity and place the company in the eye of a national controversy" then the answer to question two is "No."


35 posted on 01/25/2005 9:14:39 AM PST by Pilsner
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To: k2blader

Nothing wrong when on their property, but when on your own time off company property? If the Constitution "allows" you to abort a baby becuase of your right to privacy, it should certainly allow you to smoke a legal product on your own time off corporate property. Right?


36 posted on 01/25/2005 9:15:36 AM PST by theDentist (Jerry Springer: PBS for White Trash)
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To: FreedomNeocon
CALOIRE tests for Hooters waitresses

I did have a hooters waitress once tell me that they're not allowed to eat the buffalo wings. Too fattening.

37 posted on 01/25/2005 9:16:31 AM PST by ichabod1 (The Spirit of the Lord Hath Left This Place)
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To: Phantom Lord
I believe obesity is now protected by the ADA actually.

Obesity isn't protected per se, but if you have a disease arising from obesity, that can be covered by the ADA.

If you're just a big fatass, the ADA does not protect you.

38 posted on 01/25/2005 9:17:10 AM PST by Modernman (What is moral is what you feel good after. - Ernest Hemingway)
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To: Phantom Lord

True, both are equally difficult.


39 posted on 01/25/2005 9:17:34 AM PST by Bacon Man (I DARE you to make less sense!)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Can a company require sterilization to prevent added healthcare costs to cover new pregnancies?


40 posted on 01/25/2005 9:17:59 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: Cold Heat

Pretty much negating the assertion that someone "second-hand smokes two packs a day"


41 posted on 01/25/2005 9:18:12 AM PST by jjmcgo
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To: theDentist
If the Constitution "allows" you to abort a baby becuase of your right to privacy, it should certainly allow you to smoke a legal product on your own time off corporate property. Right?

The Constitution does not protect you from actions by a private party. Your employer can fire you for having an abortion, for example.

42 posted on 01/25/2005 9:18:44 AM PST by Modernman (What is moral is what you feel good after. - Ernest Hemingway)
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To: k2blader

"It's a private company. There is nothing wrong with this."

I agree completely - and I'm a smoker.

I think any private company should be able to hire/fire anyone of its choosing for any reason it chooses. Again, it is a PRIVATE company.


43 posted on 01/25/2005 9:18:44 AM PST by NCPAC ("I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Mears

A private company should be able to fire or refuse to hire whomever it wants.

From my viewpoint it would make a lot of sense to refuse to hire a person with AIDS. And I recall a case involving the firing of an obese person which also made sense.

Turning the question around: If a private company is *not* allowed to fire whomever it wants, where does it end?


44 posted on 01/25/2005 9:19:46 AM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Phantom Lord

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.


45 posted on 01/25/2005 9:20:12 AM PST by jjmcgo
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
I hate cigarettes. I've never smoked. I hate being around people who do.

But if you just substitute "drinking" or "unprotected sex" or any of a dozen different vices for "smoking" here, well, you can see where this is heading. It is a very dangerous direction.

Do we really want to have "insurance police" checking to see if you made it to the gym yesterday?

46 posted on 01/25/2005 9:21:01 AM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news (there is no c in Amtrak and no truth in MSM news))
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To: RetiredArmy

Fire all the old people too. Better yet, let's just shoot'em that way they can't hire a lawyer.


47 posted on 01/25/2005 9:21:56 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Modernman

If AIDS was acquired by risky behaviour that is a "voluntary activity".They are covered by the ADA because of the strong,liberal lobbyists.

Eating too much is a voluntary activity,as is smoking and drinking.If they are "addictive" behaviours they should be covered by the ADA too.

The ADA is a crock----one of the most abused laws ever.


48 posted on 01/25/2005 9:22:07 AM PST by Mears
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
I guess my issue is that I work for my employer 40 hours a week.  The rest of the time is mine and I can do anything I want durring that time so long as it doesn't affect or disrupt my workplace.
 
Owl_Eagle

"You know, I'm going to start thanking
the woman who cleans the restroom in
the building I work in.  I'm going to start
thinking of her as a human being"

-Hillary Clinton
(Yes, she really said that
Peggy Noonan
The Case Against Hillary Clinton, pg 55)

49 posted on 01/25/2005 9:22:07 AM PST by South Hawthorne ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace;" –Thomas Paine)
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To: Squantos

I prefer a little of Emerald's Essence, with Kosher Salt and fresh ground pepper on the legs while sauteeing them in a cast iron skillet on medium heat. Of course you add the seasonings to flour, dip the frog legs in buttermilk first, and then in the seasoned flour and then into the cast iron skillet.


50 posted on 01/25/2005 9:22:37 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( The MSM has been a weapon of mass disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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