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Keg IDs in the offing?
Keg IDs in the offing? ^ | Jan. 25, 2005 | JOSEPH THOMAS

Posted on 01/25/2005 11:33:55 AM PST by AdamSelene235

In an attempt to curb alcohol related deaths among young people, state Rep. Gary Lindstrom, D-Breckenridge, last week proposed a bill that would mandate kegs of beer be marked with identification tracking tags.

The keg identification - a recyclable tag bearing an identification number attached to the keg - would allow police to track the sales of kegs for up to six months after the purchase. Additionally, it will enable police to more quickly and efficiently identify those who provide kegs to minors.

"This bill gives law enforcement a tool in their investigation to find out who has purchased alcohol where a minor has either had a problem or has died," said Lindstrom.

Without the tags police departments can have trouble identifying who bought the keg. Culpability can be derived from the identity of the person who bought the keg.

"It (the alcohol related deaths) is certainly a very good reason to do what we can to find out who is buying alcohol for our children," said Lindstrom.

Colorado saw six students on five campuses, including one at CU and two at Colorado State University, die in alcohol-related incidents last fall. Several lawmakers took note and have introduced legislation intended to prevent future deaths.

This is the third time in three years that keg IDs have been proposed. The last two years the legislation didn't even make it out of the committee.

Last year the Business Affairs and Labor Committee narrowly voted against the bill 7-6. Some members from the committee cited as a reason for voting against the legislation that the scope isn't wide enough.

"Although this legislation is a well intended measure to reduce underage drinking, I am not confident that it will cut down on minors drinking," said state Sen. Ron Tupa D-Boulder. "It may motivate minors to drink beverages with higher alcohol content."

Currently 22 states have keg identification laws.

Even though the concept of keg tracking is unprecedented in Colorado, several municipalities have tried keg identification on a local level. The city of Boulder uses a volunteer program which liquor stores can choose to use the keg identification. Also, the city of Loveland has a mandatory keg identification policy, where all liquor stores in the city limits are required to mark their kegs upon sale.

The Boulder Police Department said it is hard to track the merits of its voluntary program.

"Effectiveness is relative because the sources (of keg beer) may be coming out of our jurisdiction," said Julie Brooks, public information officer for the Boulder Police Department.

Brooks noted that even kegs which are purchased within Boulder proper could be hard to track. One could cut or scrape off the keg identification to avoid prosecution, she said.

Coors Brewery in Golden declined to comment on the legislation.

Lindstrom said that he thinks he has enough support for the bill to pass the committee. He also said that he thinks the bill has enough support to pass through the Colorado House.

There is some agreement that regardless the outcome of this legislation, the emphasis still should be placed upon responsible drinking.

"I doubt the legislature can do anything meaningful to cut down on underage drinking; instead we should focus on young adults drinking more responsibly," said Tupa.


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1 posted on 01/25/2005 11:33:56 AM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235
state Rep. Gary Lindstrom, D-Breckenridge

Also known as “Mom”.

2 posted on 01/25/2005 11:35:22 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: AdamSelene235
Kegs don't cause crime.
Clymers drinking too much from kegs do!
3 posted on 01/25/2005 11:35:46 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: AdamSelene235

Next thing you know, there will be required taggant additives in the beer, so when you piss on the sidewalk they can track you down.


5 posted on 01/25/2005 11:36:22 AM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

come and get it


6 posted on 01/25/2005 11:39:13 AM PST by stainlessbanner (Southern powder and Southern steel)
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To: AdamSelene235
Maybe its just me, but I've never heard of a keg induced drinking death.

Now liquor, yeah, plenty.

7 posted on 01/25/2005 11:39:32 AM PST by Sam's Army (No witty taglines currently come to mind)
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To: AdamSelene235; dead

Rep: Boys, the newspapers are saying there is a problem with college students drinking. What we need is a catch phrase:
Rep: How about "binge drinking"?
Rep: Brilliant. Now we need an empty gesture to show the public we are sincere about fixing the problem. Nothing concrete. We don't want to eat this thing on Election Day.
Rep: How about a billboard?
Rep: How about a commercial?
Rep: How about a Pudding Wrestling Math with the cheerleaders?
Rep: How about a sticker to put on kegs?
Rep: Brilliant. Our work is done. Who wants to go fleece a taxpayer?
Reps: Oooh. Oooh. Pick me. Pick me!


8 posted on 01/25/2005 11:39:53 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: AdamSelene235
Winnie the Pooh says "Track this!"


9 posted on 01/25/2005 11:40:20 AM PST by petercooper (Liberalism = Idealism; Conservatism = Realism)
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To: mdhunter
I'd never thought about or heard of (where've I been?) keg ID before, but it sounds like good idea to me.

How do you feel about wrist tattoos?

11 posted on 01/25/2005 11:41:35 AM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: AppyPappy

Hey, here in Wisconsin, you start off with beer, then tequila, brandy, schnapps, whatever, then engage in practically anything guaranteed to get your name in the papers. Plus, we start in high school. Besides, here it is a cultural thing, so this law would be hate speech.


12 posted on 01/25/2005 11:43:10 AM PST by goldwater64 (Conservative, Pro-Life, Republican & Catholic (Kerry Hater))
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To: mdhunter
I'd never thought about or heard of (where've I been?) keg ID before, but it sounds like good idea to me.

Well, maybe it was a regional thing but I can recall liquor stores recording numbers from a keg, tap, and license of the person purchasing the beer. In that case, my understanding is because they wanted their tap and keg back – not so much to “track” who purchased it (unless they bailed out with their equipment).

I recall that it was a $50 deposit for tap and $50 for the keg (plus the plastic ice bucket/garbage can).

I have no idea what their real value was, but they seemed more interested in getting their empty keg and tap back than keeping your $100. That could’ve been some sort of ID put on by the distributor or something, I suppose.

13 posted on 01/25/2005 11:43:28 AM PST by Who dat?
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To: Ariston

But if they fail the Keystone Kops kan keep kontrol of the kegs.


14 posted on 01/25/2005 11:44:12 AM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: dead

I hate it when the State Legislators are in session.


15 posted on 01/25/2005 11:48:28 AM PST by Fido969
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To: AdamSelene235

And how would they prove that an individual imbibed from a certain keg?????


16 posted on 01/25/2005 11:48:55 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: AdamSelene235

Since he is a demmocommie he had to have drank like a fish and consumed a lot of drugs. So from the tone of the bill we can rest assured he bought drugs and alcohol when he was young, Thus arrest that p---k. YOU HAVE SOMEONE OF AGE BUY THIS . What a loon.


17 posted on 01/25/2005 11:49:49 AM PST by cksharks (ew prayers for them because they will need it.)
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To: dead
state Rep. Gary Lindstrom, D-Breckenridge Also known as “Mom”.

He's a deep thinker, ya know:

I remember the Monkees' song from the 1960s, "Pleasant Valley Sunday," about living in the suburbs, backyard parties and barbecues.That is what I tried to be 40 years ago. Much earlier in my life, I wore cowboy boots and had a belt with a large buckle. The neighbors would kid me and call me "Tex." I guess I wanted to be a cowboy then. I still wear cowboy boots and a belt with a big buckle. Maybe that is my identity. -GARY LINDSTROM

18 posted on 01/25/2005 11:49:54 AM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: cksharks
Since he is a demmocommie he had to have drank like a fish and consumed a lot of drugs.

You know, more than 90 percent of murders are committed by a family member? -Rep. Gary Lindstrom

Ya think?

19 posted on 01/25/2005 12:00:28 PM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: Sam's Army
Maybe its just me, but I've never heard of a keg induced drinking death.

It usually happened a couple of times a year at the University of Wisconsin - death solely from too much beer. However, deaths from people drunk on beer doing stupid things were far more common, like falling off of balcony ledges or trying to climb walls.
20 posted on 01/25/2005 12:01:46 PM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: Sam's Army

I had the same thought. How do you die from over drinking too much beer in an evening. Most of the kids die from the hard stuff: too much over too short of a time.


21 posted on 01/25/2005 12:10:56 PM PST by montomike (Gay means happy and carefree...not an abomination against nature's check valve.)
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To: AdamSelene235

Is this post from the "Onion" or Scrappleface? It sure reads as though it's parody.


22 posted on 01/25/2005 12:18:56 PM PST by RicocheT
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24 posted on 01/25/2005 12:33:16 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: AdamSelene235
This will stop keg abuse, now how do we tag the BEER inside the keg?

Honestly, they can track the beer keg, but how do you prove someone drank from it? If the person is dead, they're not talking. Maybe he/she was drinking shots? Are we to tag bottles of alcohol next? Why not implant a device to tell if someone is drinking then call the cops when their blood alcohol level fluctuates.

25 posted on 01/25/2005 12:38:29 PM PST by infidel29 (America is GREAT because she is GOOD, the moment she ceases to be GOOD, she ceases to be GREAT- B.F.)
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To: mdhunter
Because that's obviously a totally analagous situation.

You think alcohol needs to be registered with the state with traceable serial numbers, why not people?

26 posted on 01/25/2005 12:38:39 PM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: AdamSelene235

Why not just put radioactive taggants in the beer?


27 posted on 01/25/2005 12:40:46 PM PST by snopercod ( We as the people no longer truly believe in liberty, not as Americans did -- Dayfdd ab Hugh)
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To: dead

We have a keg law here in NY. Now kids just drink hard liquor at parties instead of beer.

The parallels to the Drug War are staggering...


28 posted on 01/25/2005 12:50:57 PM PST by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: AdamSelene235
Even though the concept of keg tracking is unprecedented in Colorado, several municipalities have tried keg identification on a local level. The city of Boulder uses a volunteer program which liquor stores can choose to use the keg identification. Also, the city of Loveland has a mandatory keg identification policy, where all liquor stores in the city limits are required to mark their kegs upon sale.

Seems the author must have hit the keg himself before writing this....It's unprecendented in Colorado, but, several municipalities already to it? How is this UNprecendented?

They do it here in Greeley, fairly effectively as well.

29 posted on 01/25/2005 12:58:02 PM PST by NorCoGOP (Kerry/Edwards 2004 - The Gang that couldn't spin straight!)
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To: mdhunter

Papers please.


30 posted on 01/25/2005 1:02:40 PM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Who dat?
"(plus the plastic ice bucket/garbage can)."

We usually used a cow trough. Holds four half kegs and about another two cases of singles around the sides (for when the kegs run dry and the beer store is closed), add 12 to 15 bags of ice, top off with about 10 gallons of water out of the garden hose and dude, you're good to go.

Now, where's that bushel?!

Oh yeah, almost forgot... Invite all the neighbors, cuts down on the police calls.

31 posted on 01/25/2005 1:07:03 PM PST by Hatteras
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To: AdamSelene235

Been tagging kegs here in Oregon for ten years that I know of.
We're a bit funny here, as you can own a machine gun legally so go figure....


32 posted on 01/25/2005 1:09:21 PM PST by investigateworld (Babies= A sure sign He hasn't given up on mankind!)
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To: AdamSelene235

...needs to include a background check and a 7 day waiting period.


33 posted on 01/25/2005 1:13:57 PM PST by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: Sam's Army
"but I've never heard of a keg..."

I've never heard of a keg lasting up to six months as the story states. More like half a night at the most, depending upon who is at your house.

34 posted on 01/25/2005 1:16:46 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: AdamSelene235
Great. The Government taking control over ever more infinitesimal pieces of our lives.

Maybe they should control access to food too, after all, there is an obesity crisis. Everyone will be healthier when they are on edge of starvation - this has been scientifically proven!
35 posted on 01/25/2005 1:25:02 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: AdamSelene235
We've had this in California for many years. I once remember getting a refilled keg with a police evidence tag still on it.
36 posted on 01/25/2005 1:29:36 PM PST by steveo (Member: Fathers Against Rude Television)
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To: Deaf Smith
As a quick note: I participated in the largest consumption of beer in a public event, two days running in 1979.

A Texas Tech frat party at the Lubbock National Guard Armory. The objective of the party was to drink beer out of bucket and kiss as many women as you could during the night.

Out back was a line out about 50 porta potties for the ladies and the guys lined up for about 75 yards to piss down a hill.

37 posted on 01/25/2005 1:34:29 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: Deaf Smith

Right on, brother!


38 posted on 01/25/2005 1:46:12 PM PST by Sam's Army (No witty taglines currently come to mind)
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To: infidel29
now how do we tag the BEER inside the keg?

I wonder if this chemical would work?

Nichols fertilizer dealer uses pink surprise(turns meth users pink)

39 posted on 01/25/2005 2:00:38 PM PST by Freebird Forever
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To: AdamSelene235

When kegs are outlawed, only outlaws will have kegs.


41 posted on 01/25/2005 2:09:03 PM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: mdhunter
For what it's worth I think the move is a good idea because it makes law enforcement easier.

So will wrist tatoos.

Suppose a police officer arrives at a Frat house where an underage pledge has passed out and fallen down some steps. There's a keg there.

Well by all means blame the keg not the frat boy.

Banning instruments rather than acts indicate a belief that man is not worthy of his own free will.

42 posted on 01/25/2005 2:20:39 PM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: AdamSelene235

The article does not mention how the tag is attached. What if the tag is removed?


43 posted on 01/25/2005 2:23:37 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: R. Scott; mdhunter
The article does not mention how the tag is attached. What if the tag is removed?

Sounds like prima facie evidence of conspiracy to transmit alcohol to kindergartners.

44 posted on 01/25/2005 2:27:24 PM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: mdhunter; AdamSelene235
Moreover, it impresses upon those that buy large quantities of alcohol that it's their responsibility to dole it out legally. Failure to do so should be punished. If the current system doesn't in all cases allow for that, then the system is broken.

So if I go to the store and 'buy' the keg, Im responsible to be the bartender for the duration of that keg?

Again, how can the leos determine that the alcohol in someone body came from THAT keg?

So now I have to baby sit every person in the place due to the fact that if someone dies, Im liable if they drank what they got from ANY other soure? While Im keeping track of everybody, how will i guard the integrity of the keg?

Etc Etc ad nauseum...

45 posted on 01/25/2005 2:46:07 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Patience is a virtue, but it aint one of mine !!!)
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To: trebb

I think mostly this is for when the cops raid a kegger with underaged drinkers. They'll trace the keg back to the original buyer and ream him/her up the ying yang.

They've been doing this in California for a long time. I don't think it has really accomplished anything other than make you spend 5 extra minutes at the store filling out paperwork.


46 posted on 01/25/2005 2:46:30 PM PST by hattend (Liberals! Beware the Perfect Rovian Storm [All Hail, Chimpus Khan!])
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To: hattend
They've been doing this in California for a long time.

That sounds like a wonderful reason not to do it here.

47 posted on 01/25/2005 2:50:06 PM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: R. Scott

Possesion of an untagged keg would (probably) be a felony. The selling establishment would (probably) be required by law to report you to the authorities under penalty of loss of their liquor license for failing to report the offense.

Like being cought with a firearm with no serial number.


48 posted on 01/25/2005 2:53:14 PM PST by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: AdamSelene235

It didn't accomplish anything in Cali, It won't accomplish anything there. It could have originated anywhere...it's just a worthless waste of YOUR time at the store.


Every state should have a part time legislature.


49 posted on 01/25/2005 2:59:32 PM PST by hattend (Liberals! Beware the Perfect Rovian Storm [All Hail, Chimpus Khan!])
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To: AdamSelene235

It's Busch's fault.


50 posted on 01/25/2005 3:01:26 PM PST by Pylon (R)
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