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The Loss of Freedoms List (Vanity Post)
Cornpone | 25 Jan 2005 | Cornpone

Posted on 01/25/2005 4:37:42 PM PST by Cornpone

Dear Freepers,

I'm getting old and perhaps a little wacky but as I look back over my life I continue to try and understand how my country hasn't quite turned out the way my mother and father brought me up to believe it should be and what it was I was always raised to defend. So I've started making a list of those things that just seem to represent a betrayal of what I always thought America is about...freedom. Its a short list, I'm still working on it and I know many, if not most, will not agree with everything on it. But I'm sure everyone has something to add to it...like the state of medical care in this country which I haven't even begun to think about. Anyway, they are simple things that individually don't amount to much. But, taken together they represent a fundamental change in our culture if you think about it. Please help me add to this list. I don't know what I will do with it. Perhaps I'll just go nail it on the doors of Congress..not likely. I'd rather nail it on the doors of the White House except we can't really go there anymore...another freedom lost.

• Mandatory motorcycle helmet laws

• Mandatory automobile seatbelt laws

• Mandatory boating lifejacket laws

• Increasing erosion of property rights

• Increasing regulation of alcohol consumption, tobacco use and firearms possession

• Virtual elimination of the right to self defense

• Denial of the right to carry a weapon for self defense

• Hate crime laws that ridiculously imply that the murder of one human being is more heinous than the murder of another based on some politically motivated criteria

• Encroachment on the constitutional right to assembly

• Increasing attempts to limit our constitutional right to free speech through hate speech laws that seek to dampen dissident opinions

• Increasing restrictions on demonstrations of personal faith with a bias against Christians

• Increasing restrictions on hunting

• Increasing restrictions on fishing

• Increasing restrictions on the traditional use of fireworks

• Increasing restrictions on traditional methods of outdoor cooking

• Increasing restrictions on water rights and usage

• Increasing government incursion and attempts to regulate the possession of domestic animals which in all cases don’t happen to be ‘pets’

• Unfair taxation to fund social practices abhorrent to most Americans

• Government advocacy of socially deviant lifestyles

• Government attempts to redefine millennia-old family relationships and bonds, i.e., gay marriage

• Affirmative action laws and policies that unjustly punish and deny opportunity to current generations based on the shortcomings of generations long past

• Ridiculous product liability judgments that seek to limit access and deny choice through judicial activism rather than legislative debate

Add your thoughts to the list please.

God Bless our Forefathers and God Bless You


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KEYWORDS: anotherstupidvanity; constitution; findabetterone; freedom; future; leavethecounty; nannystate; newbiemoron; tryanny; vanityofvanities; yeahitsuckshere
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1 posted on 01/25/2005 4:37:43 PM PST by Cornpone
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To: Cornpone
Government advocacy of socially deviant lifestyles

How does this interfere with your freedoms?

2 posted on 01/25/2005 4:42:25 PM PST by Kleon
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To: Cornpone
Add this: car drivers disregarding traffic laws
people jumping in their car several times a day instead of asking if this trip is really necessary
3 posted on 01/25/2005 4:42:39 PM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: Kleon

End of the right of anonymous travel.

Requirement to interface with government whether you want to or not (income tax returns, for instance).

Over zealous building codes destroy right to do as you please with your property.


4 posted on 01/25/2005 4:45:41 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: Cornpone

Elimination of the right to defend our borders against ILLEGAL immigration.


5 posted on 01/25/2005 4:46:15 PM PST by Momaw Nadon ("...with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.")
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To: Cornpone

most recent, allowed dog sniffing in your vehicle


6 posted on 01/25/2005 4:46:25 PM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: Cornpone

It started with mandatory auto license and registration laws that started guess where? Taxxachusetts in 1903.

http://taor.agitator.dynip.com/on_law.htm


7 posted on 01/25/2005 4:46:50 PM PST by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: Kleon
Government advocacy of socially deviant lifestyles... How does this interfere with your freedoms?

I'm paying for it through my tax dollars and I don't believe it meets the constitutional test of the 'common good.' Its like playing poker against your own money.

8 posted on 01/25/2005 4:48:56 PM PST by Cornpone (Aging Warrior -- Aim High -- Hit'em in the Head)
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To: Cornpone

Bush's fault, right?


9 posted on 01/25/2005 4:55:04 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican (...........IN GOD WE TRUST..........everything else is just target practice............)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
"Bush's fault, right?"

I could hardly blame a man for problems that began before his birth.

10 posted on 01/25/2005 4:58:05 PM PST by Cornpone (Aging Warrior -- Aim High -- Hit'em in the Head)
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To: Kleon
"Government advocacy of socially deviant lifestyles"

"How does this interfere with your freedoms?"

When Clinton altered military policies concerning sexual preferences he opened up a can of worms. When soldiers go into the "field" they are provided 1 shelter half. Two soldiers join the "halves" together to make a tent. That tent is shared for sleeping . I think that certain Troops might takes exception to such sleeping conditions. Amplify that sentiment in a barracks or a ship or in other situations requiring close living quarters. 

The bottom line is that it could be bad for morale. That could effect individual performance. The Military could lose a battle because of disgruntled Troops compelled to endorse a lifestyle  which personally offends them. Losing a battle could result in losing a war. Losing a war might interfere with our freedoms!

Simplistic for sure, but there are reasons that the military has policies, and society has mores.

11 posted on 01/25/2005 4:58:06 PM PST by Radix (Free snow. All you can handle. You haul!)
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To: Cornpone
The so called "War On Drugs" has spawned a lot of this crap.

It's definitely time to knock lawmakers down from their high horses!


12 posted on 01/25/2005 5:00:22 PM PST by unixfox (Close the borders, problems solved!)
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To: Cornpone

Oh, rent control in cities is a big infringement.

Here in Massachusetts a court ordered a private country club which receives no tax money to allow in a group of women as full fledged members against the wishes of the club members and owners.

There are many many examples.


13 posted on 01/25/2005 5:01:54 PM PST by Radix (Free snow. All you can handle. You haul!)
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To: Kleon

Because our government is based on moral laws. When our government promotes immorality (and not just homosexuality), the nation suffers. Most immoral activities are hurtful to families.


14 posted on 01/25/2005 5:02:59 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: Jack Black

Social security numbers on everything.


15 posted on 01/25/2005 5:03:42 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: RightWhale

Thanks for your contribution. I'll have to consider how to turn it into a lost freedom but I'm sure it can be done. But, what I really think you're highlighting is the rise of selfishness in America and the loss of civil respect for others.


16 posted on 01/25/2005 5:15:54 PM PST by Cornpone (Aging Warrior -- Aim High -- Hit'em in the Head)
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To: Cornpone

You got it. This works two ways. With freedom comes responsibility.


17 posted on 01/25/2005 5:18:03 PM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: Cornpone

Use of litigation to control peoples behavior. Smoking. Soon eating.


18 posted on 01/25/2005 5:19:57 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: Cornpone

I would suggest that perhaps your list would be better served by dividing issues into state and federal ones.

Many of the issues you note are state issues, not national ones, and best solved by a return to federalism.

Of course, there are issues on your list that are indeed problems at the federal level, and more difficult to address.


19 posted on 01/25/2005 5:24:39 PM PST by swilhelm73 (Appeasers believe that if you keep on throwing steaks to a tiger, the tiger will become a vegetarian)
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To: Cornpone

Here's some more for you:

The creation of policies that virtually force our children into public schools.

Increasing federal intervention in the public school curricula.

Virtual elimination of accessibility to the public lands.

The creation of tax policies that undermine our Agricultural industries.


20 posted on 01/25/2005 5:24:58 PM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: monkeywrench; RightWhale
"Use of litigation to control peoples behavior. Smoking. Soon eating."

You're absolutely right. I have freedom of choice covered in several points and we should all have the freedom to be responsible for our choices. I love to BBQ but soon that will be illegal in many places. I can't live without red meat...I guess I'll die soon because if many have their way that will be denied also...

21 posted on 01/25/2005 5:26:47 PM PST by Cornpone (Aging Warrior -- Aim High -- Hit'em in the Head)
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To: AZ_Cowboy
Thank you. More things to add to the list of lost freedoms and grievances...
22 posted on 01/25/2005 5:28:17 PM PST by Cornpone (Aging Warrior -- Aim High -- Hit'em in the Head)
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To: Cornpone
Government seizure of private land for the "public good".
23 posted on 01/25/2005 5:36:25 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: Cornpone

Freedom to work -- and to send your children to work, if they are uninterested in schooling but talented in cabinetry or dependable bike couriers or truly awesome pianists.


24 posted on 01/25/2005 5:38:17 PM PST by KateatRFM
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To: satchmodog9
"Government seizure of private land for the "public good".

Thanks. I think I may have that covered in the erosion of property rights but I'll consider it some more. Its an issue close to my heart.

25 posted on 01/25/2005 5:44:49 PM PST by Cornpone (Aging Warrior -- Aim High -- Hit'em in the Head)
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To: Cornpone

Dear Cornpone: Good news. All you loss of "freedoms" is a little circus going on between your ears. The events you list probably have not really occured and don't be expecting to go to Heaven, cause crybabies automatically go to the other place.


26 posted on 01/25/2005 5:46:03 PM PST by CBart95
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>>Increasing restrictions on traditional methods of outdoor cooking

This one baffled me--most of the others I could see where you were going with them. What methods do you mean? Asking because I really haven't a clue. Pig roasts or something similar?


27 posted on 01/25/2005 5:49:03 PM PST by Betis70 (I'm only Left Wing when I play hockey)
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Burn Bans
Here in Washington State we used to be able to burn outdoors whenever we wanted. Certainly can understand a ban in the summer, however, we have bans now for air quality.
28 posted on 01/25/2005 5:52:12 PM PST by Vicki (Truth and Reality)
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To: Betis70
This one baffled me--most of the others I could see where you were going with them. What methods do you mean? Asking because I really haven't a clue. Pig roasts or something similar?

Charcoal grilling. Illegal in many places in Europe and recently considered for outlawing in some parts of the States...like parts of California.

29 posted on 01/25/2005 5:53:22 PM PST by Cornpone (Aging Warrior -- Aim High -- Hit'em in the Head)
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Really? Wow, didn't know that. Guess my little Weber will become pretty useless if they decide to do that in my neck of libbie CA. Nothing tastes like charcoal grilling.

Just one more reason to move the heck outta dodge...


30 posted on 01/25/2005 5:56:59 PM PST by Betis70 (I'm only Left Wing when I play hockey)
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To: CBart95
"Dear Cornpone: Good news. All you loss of "freedoms" is a little circus going on between your ears. The events you list probably have not really occured and don't be expecting to go to Heaven, cause crybabies automatically go to the other place."

Bad news to you. All the issues I've identified have already come to be realized. I think the failure to recognize reality is perhaps a circus occurring in front of someone's blind eyes...wake up or you will find yourself where crybabies go...you'll be crying all the way.

31 posted on 01/25/2005 5:58:09 PM PST by Cornpone (Aging Warrior -- Aim High -- Hit'em in the Head)
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To: Betis70

I seem to remember talk of banning charcoal somewhere. I am not sure where or when this was.


32 posted on 01/25/2005 6:00:17 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: Vicki

I remember driving around WSU during the burn season (whenever that normally is/was for the farmers in the Palouse). Always kind of freaked me out to be honest--I used to work for the Park Service in the summers, so I'd see a big smoke plume and get worked up thinking "Oh crap, Forest Fire". Then I'd remember, "oh it must be burn season for the farmers, never mind".


33 posted on 01/25/2005 6:00:22 PM PST by Betis70 (I'm only Left Wing when I play hockey)
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To: satchmodog9; Cornpone

"They'll take my Weber Smokey Joe from my cold, dead hands"

;-)


34 posted on 01/25/2005 6:02:09 PM PST by Betis70 (I'm only Left Wing when I play hockey)
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To: Cornpone
Encroachment on the constitutional right to assembly

Examples please.

35 posted on 01/25/2005 6:03:05 PM PST by secretagent
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To: Kleon

How about messing with the minds of our children by advocating and encouraging the tolerance and experimentation of homosexual life styles in government schools, which is abhorent to the tax paying parents of those children?


36 posted on 01/25/2005 6:03:53 PM PST by Paperdoll
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We owned six acres in northern Illinois with over fifty oaks. This was our front yard and we had to have it all bagged and removed because of the march of government tyranny. We moved to Wisconsin to enjoy the trees and the freedom to burn. Now the Nazis are starting to clamp down on it here.
37 posted on 01/25/2005 6:04:30 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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Vehicle emmissions testing. After paying property tax, registration and license fees. The state wants to check your emmisions on your car. If your car fails,it costs about 500.00 to fix your car(the garage has to do the work)to meet emmission standards. You cannot fix the problem yourself (this would cost you less than 150.00). If you have two cars, it could cost you about 1000.00 if they both fail.
38 posted on 01/25/2005 6:05:48 PM PST by dancusa (Appeasement, high taxes and regulation collects in the diapers of bed wetting liberals.)
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To: secretagent

Where in the constitution is the need for a rally permit noted.


39 posted on 01/25/2005 6:06:43 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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Where in the constitution is the need for a rally permit noted.

Do you mean the federal constitution?

40 posted on 01/25/2005 6:08:56 PM PST by secretagent
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To: secretagent
"Encroachment on the constitutional right to assembly"

I'm sure I could find numerous examples, especially with the increasing requirements to register or obtain permits to demonstrate publicly, but the most recent example I came across was a post I made yesterday regarding attempts to prevent school children from gathering to worship during recess.

41 posted on 01/25/2005 6:09:37 PM PST by Cornpone (Aging Warrior -- Aim High -- Hit'em in the Head)
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To: secretagent

I am sure lawful assembly had nothing to do with paying the city 250 bucks for a permit. I think it had more to do with not rioting.


42 posted on 01/25/2005 6:11:48 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: Cornpone

Here in the State of Washington, where our nonest votes mean notheing, but fraudulent votes ride an armored truck, the legislation is trying to pass the illegality of using rain barrels on privately owned property to collect rain water for irrigation or for livestock! Unbelievable!


43 posted on 01/25/2005 6:12:58 PM PST by Paperdoll
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"Vehicle emmissions testing."

Second that! I was so thrilled to get away from that mess.


44 posted on 01/25/2005 6:13:50 PM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: Cornpone

Most of these things have been started by people like the kennedy's. People that have millions of dollars spending millions of dollars to get a job that pays thousands of dollars. This is past a joke. Look at the things they have done and escaped with no punishment. I do guess ol' teddy probably thinks the presidency belonged to him but we stole it from him for a murder? that happened in his car. If
you notice, they start to steal these things by first talking about a "problem" and the problems we all face because of it and they keep talking until a lot of folks think well it won't hurt to let them do this, if any one pays attention any more, anyway. God Bfless y'all, KennyBob


45 posted on 01/25/2005 6:16:11 PM PST by texasreb (Justr watching this thing keep rolling on by.)
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To: Paperdoll
"Here in the State of Washington, where our nonest votes mean notheing, but fraudulent votes ride an armored truck, the legislation is trying to pass the illegality of using rain barrels on privately owned property to collect rain water for irrigation or for livestock! Unbelievable!"

That is unbelievable. In all my travels to Washington State I've never been there when it wasn't raining. I guess the proposed legislation is intended to protect the 'common good' of wasted groundwater runoff.

46 posted on 01/25/2005 6:20:04 PM PST by Cornpone (Aging Warrior -- Aim High -- Hit'em in the Head)
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To: Cornpone
How can we live in such a Draconian nation. I think we should all go to a place where we have more freedoms. Like...uh let's see... uh.../sarcasm

You bunch of whiners need to grow up. WE HAVE MORE FREEDOM THAN ANY OTHER PEOPLE IN THE WORLD!

47 posted on 01/25/2005 6:22:05 PM PST by mrfixit514
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To: Cornpone

Although it was a good and necessary thing it was nonetheless communist inspired as a means to "divide and conquer" which to this point has been overwhelmingly successful.....civil rights of blacks, ( it was just the catalyst ).....which extended to Asians, American Indians, every other minority in creation, etc.....including children, handicapped, the women's movement.....the hyphenated-American with the overall intent to keep us squabbling amongst ourselves and actually creating division isntead of bringing us together. They are knowingly and intentionally tearing us and the country apart. All of these things brought about this "diversity" stuff.

Another point:

Baby carseats and making the baby be buckled in the back seat.....separating the core family.

There are others. I'll get back to you.


48 posted on 01/25/2005 6:25:09 PM PST by El Gran Salseron ( The replies by this poster are meant for self-amusement only. Read at your own risk. :-))
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To: mrfixit514
"WE HAVE MORE FREEDOM THAN ANY OTHER PEOPLE IN THE WORLD!

You are absolutely right about that. I have traveled and lived in many places around the world and there is no place more free than America. But in my eyes that is changing. Perhaps that change is good. My children don't seem to be concerned. But I am.

49 posted on 01/25/2005 6:26:54 PM PST by Cornpone (Aging Warrior -- Aim High -- Hit'em in the Head)
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To: mrfixit514
You bunch of whiners need to grow up. WE HAVE MORE FREEDOM THAN ANY OTHER PEOPLE IN THE WORLD!

If you live in a red conservative state you have a lot more freedom than living in a liberal blue state. The democrat state legislature's want us to become like Europe.

50 posted on 01/25/2005 6:28:56 PM PST by dancusa (Appeasement, high taxes and regulation collects in the diapers of bed wetting liberals.)
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