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(President) Bush Wants to Spend More to Catch Illegals
AP on Yahoo ^ | 1/25/05 | Suzanne Gamboa - AP

Posted on 01/25/2005 8:30:24 PM PST by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) plans to ask Congress to spend more to crack down on undocumented workers and arrest and deport illegal immigrants. But he wants to fund only a fraction of the new Border Patrol agents called for in a bill he signed last year.

Bush's budget plan will call for spending $23 million, nearly five times the current level, on work site investigations by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, a government official familiar with the spending plan told The Associated Press on Tuesday. The money would be used to conduct audits on employers, investigate violations and prepare cases.

The administration also wants to increase spending for detentions and deportations of immigrants to $1.2 billion, 18 percent more than in fiscal year 2005, the official said. In addition to paying for more staff, the money would go to apprehending fugitives and providing alternatives to detention for low-risk illegal immigrants awaiting deportation.

Homeland Security Department spokesman Dennis Murphy declined to comment on the numbers because the 2006 budget has not been released. He warned figures can change up until it is actually sent to Congress.

Bush plans to ask lawmakers to increase the Border Patrol by 210 agents. The intelligence overhaul law he signed last year authorizes, but does not pay for, the department to hire 2,000 agents a year for five years.

That would nearly double the number of agents guarding U.S. borders with Mexico and Canada to almost 21,000 and would be the largest buildup of border guards in the nation's history.

Outgoing Undersecretary Asa Hutchinson, who oversees transportation and border security, has said paying for the 2,000 agents would require a substantial investment from Congress.

"It appears, perhaps, the administration is looking a bit more comprehensively on immigration enforcement. For too long we have focused only on the border, and many people have indeed been calling for renewed attention to the hiring of undocumented workers because that is the primary draw," said Deborah Meyers, a policy analyst at the Migration Policy Institute, a Washington-based think tank that tends to favor immigration.

Meyers said Bush's proposals on Border Patrol agents are a recognition of the difficulty the government would face recruiting and training such a high number of agents.

Bush also has proposed a temporary worker program open to immigrants illegally in the country and foreigners abroad.

Bush is expected to submit his budget early next month. Congress is not obligated to implement the president's budget but can use it as a guide.

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Customs and Border Protection: http://www.cbp.gov


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; bush; catch; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; spend; term2; w2; wants
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1 posted on 01/25/2005 8:30:25 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Too little, too late.


2 posted on 01/25/2005 8:32:07 PM PST by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: NormsRevenge
undocumented workers and arrest and deport illegal immigrants.

So what is the difference between an 'undocumented worker' and an 'illegal immigrant?'

Thought so, MSM.

3 posted on 01/25/2005 8:34:15 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Bush has been a do nothing piss ant at protecting our borders and i'm mad as hell about it. With re-election out of the way, he has no damned excuse now. These 3rd world leeches are dragging us down state by state as they suppress wages for legal citizens by working under the table for a fraction of what law abiding businesses pay their employees. Not to mention the welfare and healthcare drain they create.


4 posted on 01/25/2005 8:37:33 PM PST by Ron in Acreage (Kerry is (no longer) a threat to national security)
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To: NormsRevenge
In addition to paying for more staff, the money would go to apprehending fugitives and providing alternatives to detention for low-risk illegal immigrants awaiting deportation.

I wonder what this means.

5 posted on 01/25/2005 8:39:37 PM PST by skip_intro
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To: quantim

I bet each and every FReeper could walk out their doors and within 2 hours round up 10 illegal ALIENS each.

Big question - where do we bring them? The local police station?


6 posted on 01/25/2005 8:40:08 PM PST by bitt
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To: bitt

Nope. They won't take them. They can't. Only the feds can. And if you did what you espouse, you'd probably get arrested for kidnapping the illegals.


7 posted on 01/25/2005 8:54:09 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
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To: skip_intro

Read: letting them go but making sure there are immigration probation officers that they have to check in with weekly until their judgment is final.

Yeah, THAT'LL solve the problem.


8 posted on 01/25/2005 8:55:36 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
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To: Ron in Acreage

I'm with you on your attitude but the president doesn't make law - although can set an agenda, only congress can do that. Blame the hundreds of RINO's in the house and senate first, then blame W for not 'spending my political capital' on this issue.

In fact, I think the 'borders' are going to be the litmus test in '08 for control the WH.


9 posted on 01/25/2005 8:56:05 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: quantim

"In fact, I think the 'borders' are going to be the litmus test in '08 for control the WH."

Neither duopoly candidate is seriously going to talk about border control or immigration control....the fact that the republicrats SUPPORT (through inaction, funding decisions, etc) illegal immigration (it increases national economic activity, so I have read) says it all.


10 posted on 01/25/2005 8:59:00 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: LibertarianInExile

of course we couldn't do it...but a new task force could do it, and they would be plenty busy, because every town in America has aliens there for the picking...


11 posted on 01/25/2005 9:03:29 PM PST by bitt
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To: skip_intro

" providing alternatives to detention for low-risk illegal immigrants awaiting deportation. "

I suggested on another thread that it might be Motel6. The FROBL's went berzerk!!


12 posted on 01/25/2005 9:07:32 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage (When conservatives break their principles they seem to become casual about breaking the law, too.)
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To: bitt

How about we stop processing new asylum and refugee cases as almost every Western country is threatening to do, and instead put those paper-pushers to work simply walking in to random large employers whose workforce is uneducated and checking their workers' documentation?

The solution always seems to be more government. We could just use what we have the way Americans want it used.


13 posted on 01/25/2005 9:13:01 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
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To: WoofDog123; Ron in Acreage

Yep. A democrat with a proven 'ironclad' border mentality would be a shoo-in these days. Too bad there is no such thing in either party today. Security is everything.


14 posted on 01/25/2005 9:15:29 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: skip_intro

work release?


15 posted on 01/25/2005 9:25:11 PM PST by kenth (my tagline ran away)
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To: NormsRevenge
It'd be cheaper and easier to expand legal immigration -- get the illegal # down to a manageable level and adopt a zero tolerance policy with high fees for businesses and deportation for illegals.

But the xenophobes would never go along with letting more people in legally, they're happier with letting MORE in illegally and pissing away millions to try to fight the tide.

16 posted on 01/25/2005 9:25:46 PM PST by JohnnyZ ("Thought I was having trouble with my adding. It's all right now." - Clint Eastwood)
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To: kenth

Run and hide, I think.


17 posted on 01/25/2005 9:28:17 PM PST by skip_intro
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To: NormsRevenge

What illegals? After he arranges for them all to become legal there won't be any more to find [/sarcams]


18 posted on 01/25/2005 9:43:31 PM PST by TheBattman (Islam (and liberals)- the cult of Satan)
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To: agitator
Too little, too late.

That was true back in the 90's.

However, he won reelection and can now start to work the problem without worrying about Senator Kerry et al running our war on terror.

Did you hear that Senator Clinton is calling for improvement in border control and slowing illegal immigration?

What do you two have in common?

19 posted on 01/25/2005 9:47:18 PM PST by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: LibertarianInExile

fine with me. just get a handle on who is here and who we kick out.


20 posted on 01/25/2005 9:47:44 PM PST by bitt
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To: JustAnotherSavage
FROBL's?

I'm always looking to learn more.

21 posted on 01/25/2005 9:49:27 PM PST by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: NormsRevenge

From the responses so far it looks like there is no support for Dubya's proposal to increase funding to stop illegal immigration. Dubya can not win the support of the fringe right by doing what they demand so what is the point in trying.


22 posted on 01/25/2005 9:50:37 PM PST by Once-Ler (Beating a dead horse for NeoCon America)
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To: bitt
within 2 hours round up 10 illegal ALIENS each.

Shoot, give me a badge and a convoy of paddy wagons and I could round up 100's.

Most of whom would be young men and families who think living in our slum is several steps up from living in Mexico.

23 posted on 01/25/2005 9:51:53 PM PST by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: quantim
A democrat with a proven 'ironclad' border mentality would be a shoo-in these days.

Whatever Hillery is, she ain't stupid.

24 posted on 01/25/2005 9:52:53 PM PST by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: patriciaruth
Whatever Hillery is, she ain't stupid.

The only thing dumber and benign than the Beast herself is people that support her views.
25 posted on 01/25/2005 10:10:32 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: patriciaruth

I think pollyanna would be more appropriate than patriciaruth


26 posted on 01/25/2005 10:15:44 PM PST by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: patriciaruth
What do you two have in common?


They're both right about illegal immigration, except hitlery is just mouthing the words on something that W is out of sync on with his base.

hitlery would do zip to stop it, and everything to encourage more, same as her husband did for 8 years.

27 posted on 01/25/2005 10:34:52 PM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: patriciaruth
What do you two have in common?


They're both right about illegal immigration, except hitlery is just mouthing the words on something that W is out of sync on with his base.

hitlery would do zip to stop it, and everything to encourage more, same as her husband did for 8 years.

28 posted on 01/25/2005 10:34:57 PM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: NormsRevenge

I'll believe it when I see it.


29 posted on 01/25/2005 10:53:12 PM PST by sixmil (In Free Trade We Trust)
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ping


30 posted on 01/25/2005 11:50:37 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: NormsRevenge
Bush plans to ask lawmakers to increase the Border Patrol by 210 agents. The intelligence overhaul law he signed last year authorizes, but does not pay for, the department to hire 2,000 agents a year for five years.

Oh he's series now...

31 posted on 01/25/2005 11:53:06 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: quantim
So what is the difference between an 'undocumented worker' and an 'illegal immigrant?'

A person here on a student visa or a tourist visa who then works illegally would be a legal immigrant and an undocumented worker. A person who comes here illegally to deal drugs or retire or is a child who does not work would be an illegal immigrant but not an undocumented worker.

32 posted on 01/25/2005 11:55:15 PM PST by staytrue
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To: quantim
A democrat with a proven 'ironclad' border mentality would be a shoo-in these days.

I believe Hillary may be saying the things you want to hear about immigration.

33 posted on 01/25/2005 11:57:30 PM PST by staytrue
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"It appears, perhaps, the administration is looking a bit more comprehensively on immigration enforcement. For too long we have focused only on the border, and many people have indeed been calling for renewed attention to the hiring of undocumented workers because that is the primary draw," said Deborah Meyers, a policy analyst at the Migration Policy Institute, a Washington-based think tank that tends to favor immigration.

For too long we have focused only on the border. Ms Meyers is out of place in the logic-free zone (Washington, P.C.)

As of a couple of years ago there were some 9.5 million W-2 earnings statements for one tax year (2002) in the SSA's Earnings Suspense File of phony / stolen, etc. SSN's. If I remember correctly there were more than 650,000 employers associated with the W-2s.

The SSA had a policy of sending employer "no match" and employee "no match" letters to employers and employees respectively. Nothing threatening, just asking for help. The SSA had tried everything to make the SSN-name match the Master Earnings File.

Hyphenated critters and screaming mobs in the immigrant rigths industry went ballistic.

Below is a reference to a report on why the SSA is unfa-a-a-a-a-air.

SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION’S NO-MATCH LETTER PROGRAM: IMPLICATIONS FOR IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT AND WORKERS’ RIGHTS, November 2003, by Chirag Mehta and Nik Theodore of the UIC Center for Urban Economic Development.

www.uic.edu/cuppa/uicued/Publications/EXECSMRY/ssanomatchexesumm.htm

It's going to be damn near impossible to enforce immigration laws even if Washington, P.C. had the will.

34 posted on 01/26/2005 4:11:54 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Appease me ,Appease me


36 posted on 01/26/2005 7:04:35 AM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: DoughtyOne; JustAnotherSavage; Happy2BMe

..Meanwhile, we maintain active military bases in Japan, Germany, Bosnia, Kosovo, Macedonia, and a dozen other nations where we have no vital U.S. defense concerns.

$23 million is a mere pittance to what it costs to maintain troops and miltary bases in areas of the world where we have no vital U.S. security concerns, and are no longer are needed.

Take those troops, and reappropriate that money, to where our national defense is weakest: on our own southern border.


37 posted on 01/26/2005 7:29:29 AM PST by FBD ("A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: NormsRevenge

I'm having a hard time taking this President series anymore regarding the oath he took, once again.


38 posted on 01/26/2005 7:32:18 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (Pray for the Lord's hand in the Iraqi elections (& I ain't talkin bout the dead terrorist pedophile))
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To: DoughtyOne

http://www.STOPtheFTAA.org


39 posted on 01/26/2005 7:33:02 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (Pray for the Lord's hand in the Iraqi elections (& I ain't talkin bout the dead terrorist pedophile))
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To: FBD

I believe that an initial large contengent would be needed to stop this cold. Then enforcement of the laws already on our books would do the rest. Later on the amount of troops needed, would be reduced as it became appearent the gig was up. That 50' tall cement wall idea is just fine by me. In fact it's essential.


40 posted on 01/26/2005 7:37:37 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I agree. Use troops until we have a secure 25 ft high border wall.
Based on the Israeli wall it would cost between 2 to 4 million dollars per mile for a border fence.

It would cost 8 billion to fence the entire border, and there are areas where it wouldn't have to be fenced, just patrolled.
41 posted on 01/26/2005 7:55:29 AM PST by FBD ("A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: FBD

It might cost a little more for the moat full of toxic waste, the minefield, and the automatic machineguns :)


42 posted on 01/26/2005 11:17:23 AM PST by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: FBD; DoughtyOne
Problem with wall...

More on pesky tunneling:
Claim of terror plot unraveling; FBI says woman already held The caller said that "nuclear oxide" or "nuclear fiber" was going to be smuggled to the group through a tunnel system in Mexico into Southern California, officials said.

43 posted on 01/26/2005 11:31:07 AM PST by exhaustedmomma (Tancredo said Bush's guest-worker proposal is "a pig with lipstick")
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To: LibertarianInExile; skip_intro; JustAnotherSavage
In addition to paying for more staff, the money would go to apprehending fugitives and providing alternatives to detention for low-risk illegal immigrants awaiting deportation.

READ: not on the FBI's Most Wanted (e.g., Serial Killer) List.

(*Just can't let this one go: Paying for more staff... besides the 210 additional BP agents (for both N & S borders.) Staff = ??? Case preparers... or... lawyers. :::snort::: )

44 posted on 01/26/2005 11:46:39 AM PST by exhaustedmomma (Tancredo said Bush's guest-worker proposal is "a pig with lipstick")
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To: ApesForEvolution
'm having a hard time taking this President series anymore regarding the oath he took, once again.

Yup, it stuns my beeber, too.

45 posted on 01/26/2005 11:50:25 AM PST by skip_intro
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To: exhaustedmomma

Yes, some of these would crop up. With a wall in place though, it would limit the tunnel options to cities since fleer tech could see people congregating near walls at night to start a tunnel.

For all the weeknesses of a wall, I still see them as a major plus. So does Israel.


46 posted on 01/26/2005 12:11:13 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Israel for them a wall or for us a wall?

Do you know... are the tunnels mainly near cities? I was wondering because so much that I have read seems to have them connected to storm or drainage systems. Then, I thought that the really huge tunnel find was in the middle of the desert... like maybe devil's highway (or whatever the devil name is.) Tunnels are my biggest problem with the wall.

47 posted on 01/26/2005 12:36:52 PM PST by exhaustedmomma (Tancredo said Bush's guest-worker proposal is "a pig with lipstick")
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To: exhaustedmomma

For them. As for the tunnels, I could be wrong, but I would think foot traffic would be a tip off in the middle of the desert.

In the city, you just burrow down beneath a floor and head north when you get down far enough. Nobody can see you.


48 posted on 01/26/2005 3:01:15 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: exhaustedmomma; DoughtyOne; JustAnotherSavage
Sure.
Of course a wall won't stop everyone.
But it will be a lot more difficult then just walking ...or driving across. Drug runners and criminals can walk or even *drive* across the border in Arizona.
4000 people do it every day, in Arizona alone.

The AZ/ Mexico border is chock full of trails and roads, like these here:
(Photos at www.desertinvasion.us/)


"Looking south across the border, a mile or two west of Lukeville. All that protects the border is a barbed wire fence. Here the fence has been cut to form a typical vehicle entry for illegals and drug runners."

"Abandoned car; looking west along the border, a mile or two west of Lukeville. The vehicle barrier stops shortly past this point and has not been completed due to lack of funding (2004)."

You are looking across the border. Pretty secure, huh?

49 posted on 01/26/2005 8:44:00 PM PST by FBD ("A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: NormsRevenge

Yeah right. Hope someone is keeping an eye on the other hand.


50 posted on 01/26/2005 8:45:25 PM PST by Netizen (jmo)
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