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Iran's Youth Push Islamic Limits
CBSNews ^ | TEHRAN, Jan. 25, 2005

Posted on 01/26/2005 2:17:53 AM PST by F14 Pilot

(CBS) The Iranian students storming the U.S. Embassy in Tehran in 1979 became icons of worldwide Islamic revolution.

Twenty-five years later, Iran's youth is rebelling again. But as CBS News Correspondent Elizabeth Palmer reports, this time against the Islamic government itself.

Fully 60 percent of Iranians are under the age of 30, and they have had enough of strict Islamic rule. Everywhere there are signs that the religious authorities are losing control.

Especially for the young, personal behavior in public can be very political. You can easily see some of these small acts of rebellion in a place that would look familiar to any American teenager, like a shopping mall.

Women let their scarves slip back to show their hair. They show off their makeup, tight coats and high heels. Even five years ago, a couple holding hands in public could have been arrested and flogged. The mullahs hope that turning a blind eye to this minor defiance will relieve pressure for major change.

That pressure did explode in 1999. Students rioted and were brutally put down.

It was a grim lesson for Azadeh Shirzad who helps run her family's print shop. She remembers what happened to friends who got involved.

"Some of them were arrested and some of them were killed and you know? I am myself ... I am afraid of that," she says.

Islamic morality police tend to stay away from trendy places like fancy cappuccino bars. But even here, people would talk to CBS News only if they could hide their faces.

One couple says that if the police do raid the café, or even private parties, young people just bribe them to go away.

A party, they say, would cost $100.

It adds up to a cash bonus for the police but a long-term cost for the government and growing contempt for the Islamic state.

That worries mullah Mohammed al Abtahi. Until September, he was one of Iran's vice presidents. He quit, disgusted by the corrupt and reactionary regime. He's traded in politics for computer blogging.

On his popular Web site, al Abtahi posts irreverent photos of establishment figures - like one of Iran's nuclear minister picking his nose - that he takes with his cell phone.

"Our young people are as well informed as young people in China or Britain or America. Anyone who tries to limit them is bound to fail," he says.

The hardliners can always launch another temporary crackdown. But in the end, the 1970s Islamic revolution seems certain to be undone by its own children.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: america; bush; freedom; hostage; iran; iranian; islam; limits; us; young; youth

Couples hold hands in public, women allow their scarves to droop -- small rebellions by Iranian youth against restrictive Islamic rule.

Blindfolded American hostage in front of American Embassy, Tehran, Iran, Nov. 8, 1979. Most of these hostage takers are now in prison or died in 1980s.

1 posted on 01/26/2005 2:17:53 AM PST by F14 Pilot
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To: F14 Pilot
Most of these hostage takers are now in prison or died in 1980s.

How fitting.

2 posted on 01/26/2005 2:24:22 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: F14 Pilot

Masked students during a protest in front of the Tehran University in Tehran, Iran, in the early hours of Friday, June 13, 2003

Islamic anti-riot policemen make their way on their motorcycles during a protest in Tehran.

Iranian people in candlelight vigil in sympathy with the victims of 9/11

Persian Ballerians

3 posted on 01/26/2005 2:29:13 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot

Good for the Iranian kids! The irony is that a conservative site like this one is praising youthful rebelliion. Hey, freedom is messy... our mullahs like Jerry and Pat and "Spongebob" Dobson can whine all they like, but it's misbehaving kids that are the real freedom fighters.


4 posted on 01/26/2005 2:53:07 AM PST by rpgdfmx
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To: F14 Pilot
That worries mullah Mohammed al Abtahi. Until September, he was one of Iran's vice presidents. He quit, disgusted by the corrupt and reactionary regime. He's traded in politics for computer blogging.

interesting, where's his blog?

5 posted on 01/26/2005 3:10:01 AM PST by William of Orange (slow change may pull us apart...)
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To: William of Orange

here it is

http://webneveshteha.com/en/


6 posted on 01/26/2005 3:17:15 AM PST by Khashayar (We are the champions, No time to lose us!)
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To: rpgdfmx

Perhaps we should let those "rebellious kids" loose in your neighborhood. Rebellion against tyrannical government is one thing, rebellion against parents only teaches them to have respect for no one.
Respect for no one sprirals into respect for nothing. You must not have kids, I hope.


7 posted on 01/26/2005 3:18:45 AM PST by momincombatboots (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: Khashayar

thanx


8 posted on 01/26/2005 3:19:16 AM PST by William of Orange (slow change may pull us apart...)
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To: William of Orange

I do not trust him as long as he has a turban on his head but there you go... I can't impose my own judgement!


9 posted on 01/26/2005 3:23:33 AM PST by Khashayar (We are the champions, No time to lose us!)
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To: momincombatboots

Iranian kids have no respect for the Mullahs but they do have respect for family and their parents.


10 posted on 01/26/2005 3:24:27 AM PST by Khashayar (We are the champions, No time to lose us!)
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To: F14 Pilot

can you superimpose the heads of Boxer, Clinton, Kerry... on those bodies?

Sorry, very early. No coffee yet. hehe...


11 posted on 01/26/2005 3:28:36 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (60 votes and the world changes.)
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To: F14 Pilot

Just to make my contribution to peace in the middle east - that girl in the top picture is really good-looking.


12 posted on 01/26/2005 3:29:28 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: agere_contra
I just want to make your morning better by showing you some Iranian girls... ;-)


13 posted on 01/26/2005 3:38:38 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot

Thanks! My day suddenly seems brighter! Some sort of Freeper telepathy you have, obviously :0).


14 posted on 01/26/2005 3:53:28 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: agere_contra
Yes, she is quite attractive, and scantily clad (by the Mullah's standards): her veil pushed to the back of her head and her form-fitting blouse revealing a hint of waist with the sleeves rolled up.

A veritable Britney Spears of Iran.

15 posted on 01/26/2005 4:01:36 AM PST by Siamese Princess
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To: F14 Pilot

Why would anyone want to cover that up? Repressing homo tendencies, I would imagine.


16 posted on 01/26/2005 4:44:53 AM PST by reeb88 (How much fun are 72 virgins anyway? How much crying can one martyr take?)
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To: rpgdfmx
mullahs like Jerry and Pat and "Spongebob" Dobson

Your ignorance is astounding. Disturbing as well.

17 posted on 01/26/2005 4:49:19 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Larry Lucido
Fully 60 percent of Iranians are under the age of 30, and they have had enough of strict Islamic rule

Midnight basketball could fix that.

18 posted on 01/26/2005 5:16:55 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: rpgdfmx

"Good for the Iranian kids! The irony is that a conservative site like this one is praising youthful rebelliion. Hey, freedom is messy... our mullahs like Jerry and Pat and "Spongebob" Dobson can whine all they like, but it's misbehaving kids that are the real freedom fighters."

I lose count of the examples of your bias, hatred, and ignorance in reading your statement...


19 posted on 01/26/2005 5:20:10 AM PST by pkok (GW - There's "there" there, thank God!)
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"al Abtahi posts irreverent photos of establishment figures - like one of Iran's nuclear minister picking his nose"

The nuclear minister should watch it, that could blow up in his face. [rimshot!]

Fingerhead

20 posted on 01/26/2005 6:15:51 AM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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To: F14 Pilot

more from his blog:

"May God bless the Late Arafat. He had a clever resistance to attain the Palestinians rights. I hope that Abu Mazen does not give the people’s capital to Israelians."

http://www.webneveshteha.com/en/weblog/?id=1001066207


21 posted on 01/26/2005 6:18:37 AM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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To: Khashayar
How do most Iranians feel about Israel?

Do most Iranians support the nuclear program?

Do they realize they dont nuclear power because they have enough oil energy?

Is the student movement a legitimate force or just a pigeon stool organization for the Iranian government to stomp opposition?

If the Israelis or Americans take out the Iranian nuclear program will the Iranian people be righteous and support US?

I would appreciate some feed back and to gain an insight on what is going on in Persia?

22 posted on 01/26/2005 1:47:26 PM PST by M 91 u2 K (Kahane was Right!)
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To: F14 Pilot

Persian women are gorgeous!!!


23 posted on 01/26/2005 3:48:37 PM PST by powderblue67
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To: M 91 u2 K; parisa; freedom44

Iranians believe that Israel has the right to exist in peace and they believe it is not their issue to talk about. Israel is a sovereign nation and Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not an issue of the Iranian people. They do want the regime in Tehran to leave the Israel-Palestine conflict and stop interventions. In other words, Iranians prefer Israelis to Arabs.

Most Iranians do not support WMD programs cause it is just wasting our money and this regime is not trusted.

Regarding oil, I believe we can use Nuke in its peaceful way when this regime is gone. I believe we cant burn our oil to produce electricity. We should invest oil money to promote the social life in Iran, but as I mentioned earlier, no body wants the Islamic regime to be in charge of nuke plans. They are not trusted.

Some may support the US or Israeli attacks on the nuke plants and some may not. Why? Because history has shown that any foreign military invasion on Iran just unites the people behind the government (no matter who rules, it is a sign of nationalism). So elite part of the Iranian society believes that the nuke issue will be solved right after this regime is gone.

You can also check my profile if you wish and I hope it helps you get more info on my motherland.


24 posted on 01/26/2005 11:27:01 PM PST by Khashayar (We are the champions, No time to lose us!)
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To: SunkenCiv

You have a deep sense of Persian culture and heritage. You're the last person i'd expect to advocate ignorance towards the culture.


25 posted on 01/26/2005 11:29:19 PM PST by freedom44
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To: Khashayar
Heh, look what our friend in the Iranian gov't has to say about the Palistian elections and Iraq





The election of the president of the self-governing Palestine was held. Abu Mazen was elected by Palestinians to be the president. I congratulate him and his people.

Here, some points are worth to pay attention:

1. Abu Mazen has been known as the person in charge for the peace project from the beginning. It’s been more than 10 years that he is famous with this title. But it became clear that he cannot do anything without the people’s will and election. Basically, no decision in the world can come into practice without people will and help even though there settle a great support by powers like Israel, America or the Europe behind it.

2. The attitude of opposed and armed and powerful persons like Hamas is noticeable here as well. They almost declared the elections as unlawful but for their people, they informally ordered their personnel to participate and when Mahmoud Abbas gained the most votes, they congratulated him and talked to him about their conditions for cooperation under their framework.

3. This election can be a good beginning for determining the destiny of the Middle East. If the elections in Iraq take place in time, it will be good news for the Middle East which has been engaged with lots of crisis. Maybe those who have stood against the elections in Iraq don’t want the Middle East find peace.
26 posted on 01/26/2005 11:37:44 PM PST by FreedomNeocon (2)
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To: FreedomNeocon

Do you think the mullahs government is my real representative?

They are not. The Shah govt was my real government but not this Mullahs regime.

Forget about them... next Iranian government will be the Israelis ally


27 posted on 01/27/2005 1:18:36 AM PST by Khashayar (We are the champions, No time to lose us!)
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To: FreedomNeocon

This guy is a moderate Mullah!


28 posted on 01/27/2005 1:19:25 AM PST by Khashayar (We are the champions, No time to lose us!)
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To: F14 Pilot
Persian Ballerians

WOW! talk about gorgeous! The mullahs will suffer for forcing them to cover up. The less they wear the better!

29 posted on 01/27/2005 1:25:36 AM PST by Paul_Denton (Shoot first and ask questions later)
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To: freedom44

Lighten up.


30 posted on 01/27/2005 9:52:09 AM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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To: Khashayar
Well the US is not going to Invade Iran anytime soon and most Americans wont support it.

An aerial attack on Iranian nuclear facilities similar to the Israeli attack on Iraq in 1981 would be popular.

Now is their a legitimate student movement or any type of resistence movement that could be armed and overthrow the government?

If they need air support that would be no problem.

What type of government would most Iranians want?

Perhaps a constitutional monarchy with the return of the Shah's family?

31 posted on 01/27/2005 10:34:53 AM PST by M 91 u2 K (Kahane was Right!)
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To: SunkenCiv

I was JK


32 posted on 01/27/2005 6:17:57 PM PST by freedom44
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To: M 91 u2 K; parisa
Well the US is not going to Invade Iran anytime soon and most Americans wont support it.

I hope so

Now is their a legitimate student movement or any type of resistence movement that could be armed and overthrow the government?

Yes, there are thousands of students and regular people willing to fight the regime by any possible means

What type of government would most Iranians want?

I don't think it is very important to talk about this now as the mullahs regime is still there. Most of us need a democrtaic form of government and it really doesn't matter how Iran is gonna be goverened as long as we have a euorpean or american style democracy in Iran. Or I might say we can have an Iranian style of democracy where you wont be able to see any where in the middle east. To me and many of my friends, freedom of Iran from tyranny and culture of hate is more vital

Perhaps a constitutional monarchy with the return of the Shah's family?

Personally, this can be my favorite form of government but I am not making decision and the people of Iran should say the last word. And I hope we can say our words and have our own ideal government in a free election soon.

33 posted on 01/28/2005 12:35:58 AM PST by Khashayar (We are the champions, No time to lose us!)
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To: rpgdfmx
but it's misbehaving kids that are the real freedom fighters.

Maybe in Iran. But in America, misbehaving kids are just that.
34 posted on 01/30/2005 3:33:07 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: reeb88

u men should be ashamed of urselves


35 posted on 04/30/2005 7:06:31 PM PDT by zohrah
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